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Land — Island Swamp
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Sunken Hollow enters the battlefield tapped unless you control two or more basic lands.
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Sunken Hollow Discussion
2 weeks ago
You cannot. Colour identity is based on all the mana symbols that appear on a card (barring symbols in reminder text), and applies to lands. As such, Dromar's Cavern contains and Crosis's Catacombs contains , and neither can be used in a Dimir commander deck.
I don't think you need these lands. In two colours, you can generally get by mostly using basics--you want to minimize the number of lands you're playing that enter tapped. Between some butdget fetch lands lands (Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse), and ultra-budget dual lands (Dismal Backwater, Jwar Isle Refuge), etc., you can usually build a pretty solid mana base.
I'd recomend spending a little more and investing in cards that can be immediately playable, such as Darkwater Catacombs, Drowned Catacomb, River of Tears, Sunken Hollow, Tainted Isle, and Underground River.
1 month ago
If your maybeboard consists purely of cards you own/can obtain, these are my suggestions:
- Submerged Boneyard --> Sunken Hollow
- Meandering River --> Prairie Stream
- Dismal Backwater --> Drowned Catacomb
- Forsaken Sanctuary --> Hallowed Fountain
- Tranquil Cove --> Temple of the False God
- Jwar Isle Refuge --> Exotic Orchard
- Scoured Barrens --> Esper Panorama
- Arbiter of the Ideal --> Eldrazi Displacer
- AEthermage's Touch --> Coalition Relic
- Dead Reckoning --> Conjurer's Closet
- Lavinia of the Tenth --> Kaya, Ghost Assassin
- Mastery of the Unseen --> Eerie Interlude
- Haunted Crossroads --> Gonti, Lord of Luxury
1 month ago
I have everything that comes with the Original Pre Constructed Subjective Reality deck, and everything inside the maybe board are all things that i can either afford or actually own.
I dont get a ton of chances to play commander other than 1 or 2 games on the weekend, but i want to get this deck all polished up before my friend holds a party that will be hosting Commander as one of the for fun events at his party. My biggest problem is that i lack the ability to polish decks when i am new to the format, and im feeling just as lost as i was when i started in standard.
if it helps, the cards i own on the Maybe Board are Gonti, Lord of Luxury, Kaya, Ghost Assassin, Esper Panorama, Temple of the False God, Venser, the Sojourner, Augury Adept, Oath of Teferi, Council of the Absolute, Sunken Hollow, Unknown Shores, Prairie Stream, Spell Queller (might have more but thats all i can remember off of the top of my head.
1 month ago
Hey, you asked for my help. This is a well built budget Commander deck. Only $137 for a complete playable Commander deck is nice, good job.
Chromatic Lantern is down more than 60% in price (less than $5 now) since it's been revealed to be reprinted in Guilds of Ravnica. Lantern is now a budget Commander card, as it should be :) The prices haven't updated yet for this site, but if you add (GRN) to the end of Lantern in the text editor it will show up as the GRN version with the updated low price.
Your decklist is already really well done/streamlined, it's going to be difficult to make cuts without adding some additional price... Here's a list of cards to consider adding/cutting:
Exsanguinate: does X damage to each player and you gain just as much life. This single spell can kill everyone at the table. It could replace Death Grasp because Grasp only does X damage to one player.
Exotic Orchard: good land for multiplayer Commander.
Tainted Field: can ETB untapped and if you control a Swamp it can be tapped to make black or white mana. If you don't have a Swamp you can still tap it to make colorless mana. It could replace either Orzhov Guildgate or Scoured Barrens?
If these lands upgrades are too much then I think you're better off playing more basic lands then the three Guildgates, Barrens, River and Boneyard. More basic lands at least work better with the Bounce lands (Azorius Chancery, etc.).
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
Hey, I saw your forum topic, nice deck description :)
I suggest you focus on upgrading the manabase before you make any other changes to the deck. If you want more efficiency in game play then you need a more efficient manabase. The manabase is really bad, other than a few lands, but when you're at the point in deck building when you're adding Guildgates and lands like Submerged Boneyard then stop, take a step back and ponder/research card choices for lands improvements more than anything else. Try to reduce the amount of lands that ETB tapped because with Zombies you don't want to get bogged down from playing your early game Zombies because of these lands.
- Tainted Isle
- Tainted Field
- Isolated Chapel
- Drowned Catacomb
- Sunken Hollow
- Underground River
- Caves of Koilos
- Darkwater Catacombs
- Concealed Courtyard
The Tainted lands, the Check lands and Sunken have interaction with basic lands (Swamps) making them good additions to the manabase because Swamps should make up the majority of the manabase.
Varina is a four drop who requires in her casting cost the two splash colors of the manabase because of this consider adding some two drop mana rocks to possibly help to cast her in the early game? Adding two Signets (Dimir Signet, Orzhov Signet) and two Talismans (Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress) can help. Later on in the game if you don't need these rocks then you can simply discard them to pay for Varina's ability and then they can be used as fodder to exile to make Zombies.
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
Hey, you asked for my help. You're new to Magic? You already have a good grasp on deck building because this is a really well made deck, good job. Do you have the cards in the maybeboard? There's a lot of cards in the maybeboard that are better than cards in the main deck. If you have some of these cards consider adding them main deck?
Cards from maybeboard (in no order):
- Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund
- Thunderbreak Regent
- Scourge of the Throne
- Silumgar, the Drifting Death
- Temur Ascendancy
- Sneak Attack
- Krosan Grip
- Swords to Plowshares
- Vampiric Tutor
Cards in the main to consider cutting for these maybeboard cards (in no order):
- Crosis, the Purger
- Deathbringer Regent
- Numot, the Devastator
- Savage Ventmaw
- Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
- Crucible of Fire
- Zendikar Resurgent
- Hull Breach
- Tainted Strike
In the main I see Farseek, but in the manabase you're not taking advantage of the reason to play Farseek. Farseek can fetch a dual land that has a basic land type, but currently you don't any duals with these types. Farseek is different than Cultivate and Kodama's Reach; these spells can only search your library for basic lands not dual lands. Farseek can search your library for any basic land except a Forest, but if this is the only lands Farseek can get then you're better off just playing Rampant Growth because it can at least get a Forest.
I'm not recommending that you change the manabase now, but here's some information about how you can improve the manabase over time, later on if you want to. To make Farseek and the overall manabase better for now you can consider the less expensive Battle lands.
Battle lands (each one is two different basic land types):
The Battle lands work well with a manabase with a lot of basic lands since you need to have at least two basic lands in your control for a Battle land to ETB untapped. For the purposes here Farseek can get any one of these dual lands.
To make Farseek and the overall manabase even better consider Shock lands instead of Battle lands (each one is two different basic land types):
- Temple Garden
- Stomping Ground
- Breeding Pool
- Sacred Foundry
- Steam Vents
- Hallowed Fountain
- Blood Crypt
- Overgrown Tomb
- Godless Shrine
- Watery Grave
The Forest Shock lands and Battle lands (Garden, Pool, Grounds, Tomb, Vista and Glade) give you an advantage with some green ramp spells because these spells let you search your library for a Forest(s) and put it into play. These ramp spells: Nature's Lore and Skyshroud Claim give you nice ramp as well as mana fixing because you can tutor for and put Forest dual land(s) into play.
Another reason to get Shock lands is if you ever get a Fetch land such as Windswept Heath it can fetch one of any Forest or Plains dual land (Garden, Ground, Pool, Foundry, Fountain, Tomb, Shrine). This single Fetch land is powerful, it gives you one of seven choices of a dual land you can search your library for and put into play.
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
Sorry for the long silence. I have made quite a few changes over the last few months, but I kept forgetting to update the Primer! I'll list them below, then go ahead and update everything else! I also like the new Rot Hulk, but I am not sure what I want to take out yet.
1 month ago
Ok, as promised I arrived home and I'm going to help you out, I'll redo the suggestions I did on reddit and complete with the rest.
I would add Liliana of the Dark Realms to tutor some swamps, altho you already have several things to fetch lands, so it is up to you if you feel the need for it. Hatred is a card I recommend 100%, it's great as a finisher, and if your commander already has lifelink even better. If you can afford a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth then Nightmare Lash and Lashwrithe are good additions aswell. Weathered Wayfarer, Herald of Leshrac, Leonin Shikari, Oreskos Explorer, Taj-Nar Swordsmith, Divine Reckoning, Bloodforged Battle-Axe, Grappling Hook and/or Fireshrieker, Felidar Umbra, Hammer of Nazahn, Infiltration Lens, Kusari-Gama, Thaumatic Compass Flip, Myriad Landscape, Shizo, Death's Storehouse, Phyrexian Arena, Vona's Hunger, Crucible of Worlds. Torment of Hailfire and Exsanguinate are always good finishers in a black deck, and since you will be tutoring lands a lot you can guarantee a good value for X.
Also if your playgroup plays a lot with graveyard consider Bojuka Bog.
I think with the colors you have and playing Voltron you should add some pillowfort stuff to the deck, like: Ghostly Prison, Propaganda, Collective Restraint, Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts, No Mercy, Dread, Baird, Steward of Argive, Windborn Muse, Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker, maybe Darien, King of Kjeldor could work too.
From what you already have on the deck I would remove the following cards: Darksteel Ingot and Fellwar Stone are not necesary, I know both of these are fixing but you already have several lands with 2 colors and plenty of land fetching, you don't need these. Helm of the Host is great, I love this equipment but in this specific deck I am not sure if it is worth it. At least not for the commander imo, but to use it on the other creatures you have that offer utility, specially the ones with ETB or the "propaganda" creatures, then it is definitly worth to keep in the deck. Lightning Greaves is loved by so many people but I don't really like it much, I mean the 0 equip is great, plus the haste but I don't like shroud, yes it protects your crature but also screws you, while it is equipped you can't equip other stuff on the same creature or enchant it, etc... So if you have no other creature to swap it and allow you to target your commander again you are basicly screwed, I don't think it is worth to occupy a slot with it. Same goes for Whispersilk Cloak, blue already gives you unblockable if you want, not worth to have this with the downside of shroud, I'd rather replace it with Aqueous Form for example. Mask of Avacyn is nice to protect your commander but that's all it gives, if you need a slot for something this is a card I would remove. Vedalken Orrery... You don't need this, I know the ability is nice and quite tempting but in a voltron deck you don't really need this, I would only keep it if there was a free slot with nothing better to put in it, but even then I think I'd rather add some equipment or aura instead of this. Baleful Strix is nice but for 1 more mana I'd rather have Phyrexian Arena in play, much better. Dreamscape Artist is nice if you can play lands from the graveyard, with Crucible of Worlds and similar cards, which btw is a nice recommendation for the deck, Crucible of Worlds would help you get your lands back when facing land destroyers or milling decks. Also not sure about Emeria Shepherd, I mean you can deffinitly trigger her several times, but idk. I would test the deck with her and see how she does, if she doesn't seem to be useful most of the times I would replace her, for example for the same CMC I would prefer Herald of Leshrac, much more synergy with your commander. Jhoira's Familiar is nice too, but again it is also one I would remove IF a slot is needed for something else. I'm also not sure about Walking Atlas, I think most of the times it will be a dead card on the board because you won't have land cards in hand at some point, making him generally a wasted spot on the deck. Yes he can be great in some situations, but when putting cards in a deck you gotta try and put the cards that will be good in any stage of the game, not only sometimes, and this guy is one of those "sometimes" cards. I also think you don't need Disallow and Stoic Rebuttal. I mean as someone who likes to play blue, I know how good and safe it feels to have some counterspells but in this specific deck you don't need that many, I would even say none but since you are playing blue anyway, 1 or 2 could be helpful but no more than that, remember the goal of the deck is commander damage, you already have a lot of protection for your commander in equipments and/or auras, you don't really need counterspells to protect him, so if you need slots for other cards I would even say remove all counterspells. I'm not a fan of Detention Sphere in commander, yes if your opponents have the same card in play it is great, but most of the times it won't happen, again it is one of those cards that are good sometimes but not always so I'd take it out. Regarding your lands I don't like much of Submerged Boneyard and Forsaken Sanctuary, Sunken Hollow and Caves of Koilos would be 2 good replacements that are not very expensive. I would also remove Temple of the False God and put instead some basic land, I mean yeah that 1 extra mana is nice and can help you but I'd rather have 1 more basic land to fetch with the artifacts, etc.
To sum it up, I think this deck works best as a mainly W/B deck with a splash of blue, for some of the Propaganda effects it provides plus the evasion and card draw/selection. Other than that what you want for Voltron and to fetch lands you will find it on white, black and colorless.
One small note, I think you have way too many things to fetch basic lands, maybe you could cut down 1 or 2, not sure. That's one of those things that require some playtesting, never played with so many so I am not sure how good or bad it can be.
That's all I guess. I bet there are some more good things for this deck but I don't know it all, yet! I know some of my suggestions are not budget but you can just add them to the aquireboard section, for one day later if you decided to include them.
Helping you out with this deck hyped me to try and make one with Korlash, Heir to Blackblade, as a nod to your own deck. If you ever need anything don't hesitate to contact me here or on reddit.
Hope my suggestions were helpful, and kick your friends's asses with Dakkon. Stay well :)