Forgotten Cave

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper Duel Commander Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Premodern Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Quest Magic Legal

Forgotten Cave

Land

Forgotten Cave enters the battlefield tapped.

: Gain .

Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

Deathblossom on Yusri deck

4 months ago

A couple of suggestions:

I'd replace Galestrike with Repulse.

Depending on how much you're looking to spend, the card that would have the single biggest impact on your commander's performance would probably be Krark's Thumb (possibly supported by some combination of Muddle the Mixture and Fabricate to tutor it).

I'd really encourage you to play more lands. Even adding just Forgotten Cave and Lonely Sandbar would improve your ability to consistently hit your land drops by so much.

multimedia on Spellweaver: The Deck

7 months ago

Hey, I'll first comment here then at a later time at your Zombie deck.

The theme you have here is called Spellslinger and with Spellslinger you want less creatures than normal, more instants as well as sorceries. Spellslinger is essentially control in Commander therefore the cards you tap out for need to be impactful. If you're new to the Spellslinger idea then overall with less than $200 budget you've done well so far, but you forgot Command Tower. You have several really nice cards, but also some stinkers that could be upgraded on a budget.

Consider more lands and ramp? To keep mana open at all times when you cast noninstant spells. 31 lands is low, not really enough land when you want to be making your land drops each turn. My advice is try 36 lands and 12 or more ramp sources. If you don't want to add more lands than instead add more low 1-2 CMC draw or best a combination of both.


If your primary win condition is Niv enchanted by Curiosity then you're going to want ways to shuffle all the cards in your hand back into your library. You'll want this effect to be able to keep drawing and doing damage with Niv since Niv only does damage to one target for each trigger. Ophidian Eye is another Curiosity. Each opponent will have 40 or more life thus you won't consistently have enough cards in your library to end all your opponents with Niv's damage without having more draw. Psychosis Crawler can help since it makes each opponent lose 1 life each time you draw a card.

Curiosity/Ophidian Eye is a may, you don't have to draw when you do damage with Niv. Because you can stop the combo then you can stop drawing so you don't draw from an empty library and lose the game. Stopping the combo also lets you cast a creature or sorcery to shuttle all cards from your hand back into your library to keep drawing and continue the combo. Whirlpool Warrior has this effect at least twice and Whirlpool Rider is only two mana.

The better cards for this effect are not budget options: Valakut Awakening  Flip, Winds of Change and Echo of Eons flashback. Awakening is an instant and Winds is only one mana.


Consider streamline/cut the creature base down to the 10-15 best creatures, less creatures the better and use the other spots for more instants?

A streamlined example of the current creature base (sorted by CMC):

  • Goblin Electromancer
  • Birgi, God of Storytelling
  • Guttersnipe
  • Veyran, Voice of Duality
  • Palladium Myr
  • Archmage Emeritus
  • Galazeth Prismari
  • Talrand, Sky Summoner

I'm also suggesting some creatures upgrades who most have better interaction with Niv:

Tandem Lookout soulbond to Guttersnipe/Electrostatic Field can draw a lot of cards because Lookout cares about any damage that the paired creature does and Guttersnipe does 2 damage to each opponent. You draw a number of cards equal to the number of opponents you have each time Guttersnipe triggers. Lookout is Curiosity, but the draw is not a may, you have to draw and Lookout can change who it's soulbond unlike auras.

Tandem Lookout can be soulbond to Niv, but it's risky because you can't stop the combo because you can't stop the draw without help. You'll need an instant way to shuffle all cards from your hand back into your library or an instant way to kill/bounce Lookout before you draw the rest of your library. If you don't do this you will lose the game from trying to draw from an empty library since you'll draw your entire library. Drawing your entire library can enable a win condition of Laboratory Maniac or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and Jace has the advantage that he can draw card/cards to trigger Niv.

I've suggested a lot of card upgrades and hopefully given you advice to think about. Let me know your thoughts and if you would like me to continue in another comment including more cuts to consider. Good luck with your deck.

KaptnK on

9 months ago

Asmoeus here are some suggestions around what I would do to improve the deck on a budget

Lands

Artifact

  • Look decent. Gilded Lotus does have a high mana cost so would keep an eye on how often you cast it.

Sorcery

  • Remove Creative Technique (with your lower mana curve odds of you revealing something really good is low) > Add Arcane Denial as a good, cheap counter spell
  • Remove Fiery Encore (expensive and requires you to discard a high mana cost card to deal decent damage) > Add Solve the Equation (Tutor for the spell you need)

Creature

  • Remove Charmbreaker Devils (returning spell at random will not often get what you need, and does not have a way to get around blockers) > Add Runaway Steam-Kin (Will help you cast more spells and give you mana)

Other Considerations

Grind on

1 year ago

Cool deck!!
Underworld Breach is great late game, think about it.
Also im not convinced on your slow fetches. I would either run real fetches like Bloodstained Mire Wooded Foothills , basic mountains, or alternatives like Temple of the False God , Forgotten Cave , or Blinkmoth Nexus

fatalzintomyum on MAGIC MISSILE (Pauper Burn)

1 year ago

even with 3 Forgotten Cave, this deck has more lands than what is now seen as best for burn. Consider cutting down to two caves and perhaps even another mountain, and of course, as I believe is now stock, and for a very good reason, replace molten rain with Cleansing Wildfire. It can be hard to pass up the damage, but having it be two mana is so important purely because the deck can sometimes stop at that number, and drawing a card is worth 2 damage, like in the case of Needle Drop.

Gattison on Boom! Yo land gone

1 year ago

So, keep in mind I rarely play out and am not the best guy to ask about the meta. My expertise lies mainly in creativity (which most MtG players call jank, lol).

However, I do play a LOT of pauper regardless, so, I playtested in the tester for lil bit, and I feel draw is problem. I also kept wanting to cast Simian Spirit Guide as a creature. How does the deck play for you? What's your situation by turn 4-5 in most games? And then later on?

Depending on how you play the deck, I would consider putting both Cleansing Wildfire (instead of Stone Rain) and Geomancer's Gambit (instead of Roiling Terrain) in the deck. Both will cantrip themselves, and even though they both allow the opponent to replace the lands they lost, Cleansing Wildfire makes the land enter tapped, so it still slows the opponent down. Plus you should be able to just destroy those lands within a turn or two before they become a problem anyway.

You could also try one each of Forgotten Cave and Tranquil Thicket for even more draw.

I also feel like Raze should be in here. It's SO cheap that it should be considered at least. Maybe swap out Simian Spirit Guide for something like Sakura-Tribe Elder to support the extra demands on your land base?

sergiodelrio on Incinerator

1 year ago

The deck looks pretty nice tbh. There's probably some potential in the land base. Up to 8x fetchlands will significantly reduce your land flood risk, at a moderate life cost, but they're not budget.

I'd say you have up to 4 non mountain, non fetchland land slots that you can use to run something else. 1-2 Forgotten Cave, 1-2 Castle Embereth, 1-2 Ramunap Ruins, or even 1-2 lands.

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