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Snow Land — Mountain Forest
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Highland Forest enters the battlefield tapped.
6 months ago
Hey, I saw your forum topic asking for help.
The manabase and ramp/color fixing could use some tweaking, but more draw is really what your deck needs. That's the area of your deck to consider spending some on for improvements.
- Mentor of the Meek --> Aggressive Mammoth
- Welcoming Vampire --> Mowu, Loyal Companion
- Ripjaw Raptor --> Aetherstorm Roc
- Idol of Oblivion --> Woodland Mystic
- Return of the Wildspeaker --> Leyline of Abundance
- Shamanic Revelation --> Renata, Called to the Hunt
- Harmonize --> Arcus Acolyte
I choose these cards as suggested cuts because you have better cards that do the same or similar effects. More draw especially repeatable draw sources replacing some of this redundancy could help gameplay.
The manabase is overall good except the amount of Forests, which is too many. The ratio of color sources in the manabase is 28 green:16 white:16 red. 28 green is almost double amount of another color which is a little much. Forests are important, you want them as most lands, but I don't think you need 12 of them. Green one drop mana dorks are good, but I don't think only three of them are enough to play so many Forests to hinder the other colors in the chance that you have one in your opening hand with a Forest. Crop Rotation can get any land by sacing a Forest.
Some manabase problems are 12 Forests, the Slow Fetch lands, Aether Hub, Arctic Treeline and Highland Forest. 12 Forest reduces the color fixing from lands too much. Grasslands, Krosan Verge, Mountain Valley are too slow for what they do and are not needed because you have Marsh Flats and Windswept Heath.
Aether Hub is relying too much on three cards that proliferate or Aetherstorm Roc. Consistently Hub won't have enough energy to make colored mana. Arctic Treeline and Highland Forest are nice that they have basic land types, but you don't really need them because you have Shocks and Tangos.
Consider cutting some basic Forests for more budget lands that can make green or another color?
- Crop Rotation --> Aether Hub
- Exotic Orchard --> 1x Forest
- Path of Ancestry --> 1x Forest
- Jungle Shrine --> 1x Forest
- Game Trail --> 1x Forest
- Fortified Village --> 1x Forest
- Battlefield Forge --> Krosan Verge
- Naya Panorama --> Grasslands
- Opal Palace --> Mountain Valley
Making these lands changes can balance the ratio of color sources to 26 G:20 W:20 R. This balance keeps the amount of green close to what you have currently while increasing the amount of white and red. Of course most of these are the least expensive price playable lands that you could add. There's many others that are more price/better lands.
Good luck with your deck.
6 months ago
Temple of Abandon, Temple of Plenty, Temple of Triumph, Brushland, Battlefield Forge, Karplusan Forest, Cragcrown Pathway Flip, Needleverge Pathway Flip, Branchloft Pathway Flip could all fit into your manabase. I know you have a budget of about $5 per card, and i believe most of them other then Brushland are at or below that range.
I can see how heavily your deck is weighted toward green, but my instinct is that you have a lot of enter tapped lands that don't do anything when they enter tapped. Temples could at least provide 2 colors and scry you a card, but things like Grasslands don't thin out your deck enough to be worth losing a turn.
My recommendation is to cut 3 forests, Grasslands, Mountain Valley, Aether Hub, Alpine Meadow, Arctic Treeline, Highland Forest for the 3 temples, 3 pain and 3 pathways. With new caperna dropping, you can also cut a forest for Jetmir's Garden when its released.
Apologies for the wall of text, I hope it helps.
9 months ago
I suspect you'd benefit from a few more White mana sources, or things that can find them. Blighted Woodland and Myriad Landscape are readily cast ramp that can find plains for you. Krosan Verge is on colour here, and is probably worth running as well, as it can find non-basic lands for you, like the Kaldheim Snow Duals. There are also ramp spells that can find those Snow Duals, so it's not just about the pricier Fetch Lands. The relevant Snow Duals are Arctic Treeline Alpine Meadow and Highland Forest. Farseek can find Meadow at least, and things like Nature's Lore, Three Visits, Skyshroud Claim can find any that are Forests. These have no other upside, but getting access to White mana off of Three Visits is going to help. Most people just find Shock Lands with Farseek, but Snow Duals are very solid options to have.
The other thing that jumped out is the low amount artifact/enchantment hate. Cards like this are really useful in Commander, there is almost always a target, even if you draw a few of them. Viashino Heretic is good artifact hate on a stick, Devout Witness can hate on either, but is worse at it's job. You can also run Green options, which often sac the creature like Thrashing Brontodon or work as a Comes Into Play effect like Reclamation Sage. Since you have big creatures and love to have Jared get hit, Ulvenwald Tracker can arrange for Jared to get swatted by the biggest thing on the board every turn, either killing it and growing or just growing.
11 months ago
Hey, nice version, but the manabase hasn't been as upgraded as much as the rest of the deck, you forgot Command Tower.
Because you have Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger do you really need lots of other big creatures? Most creature board wipes are good with Eggs because even if Atla will die to the wipe she will trigger for each Egg that also dies. All your opponents creatures die and you're left with a battlefield of creatures from Eggs. Avacyn and Ulamog have indestructible making them survive board wipes that destroy or do damage.
Vanquish the Horde and Blasphemous Act are powerful creature board wipes in multiplayer Commander because they care about the number of all creatures from all players on the battlefield. Wrath of God and Day of Judgment are the traditional four mana ones and Austere Command is very versatile. Fanatical Devotion is a nice budget sac outlet for Eggs since it can protect Atla from most board wipes.
Consider more ramps sources especially two drop or less ramp that's not creatures can help with Atla?
The manabase here has a few good lands (Mesa, Orchard, Glade, Shrine, Panorama), but most are subpar for much lower budget decks. Temple of the False God is a not a good land; my advice is cut it from all your decks even decks with green which have land ramp. Needing five lands just for Temple to be able to make mana isn't worth it. The Life lands such as Blossoming Sands, etc. are lackluster since 1 life gain is not worth the land always ETB tapped. If you're on a budget for lands then consider these for upgrades?
- Command Tower
- High Market: sac outlet.
- Battlefield Forge
- Canopy Vista
- Overgrown Farmland
- Path of Ancestry
- Game Trail
- Fortified Village
- Furycalm Snarl
- Alpine Meadow
- Sungrass Prairie
- Mossfire Valley
Some cards to consider cutting:
- Temple of the False God
- Ancient Ziggurat
- Blossoming Sands
- Kazandu Refuge
- Rugged Highlands
- Slagwoods Bridge
- Thornglint Bridge
- Wind-Scarred Crag
- Arctic Treeline
- Highland Forest
- Sudden Disappearance
- Soul Foundry
- Dictate of Heliod
- Brood Monitor
- Guild Feud
- Ulamog's Crusher
- Breaker of Armies
- Gruul Ragebeast
- Dreamstone Hedron
Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
I like this deck! I'd probably play it myself if I had the wildcards to spend on Arena.
You're looking for fine tuning. Off the top of my head, I might suggest cutting the Highland Forests or Mountains for Cragcrown Pathway Flips. I know you want the snow permanents for Blizzard Brawl, but I think the added consistency for your manabase is worth it, especially if you plan on running Unnatural Growth.
I might also look for ways to include Goldspan Dragon in your mainboard. I think it's just too good to not include if you're already in red
1 year ago
Hey, well done with upgrading the precon on a budget.
Greater Good and Goblin Bombardment let you abuse Dragon Spirits before they're saced after doing damage. When a Dragon Spirit does damage it makes a sacrifice trigger that has to resolve from the stack before the token is saced. When the trigger is on the stack you can response to it by sacing the token for value. Greater is draw 5 cards and Bombardment is do 1 damage to Vrondiss to create another Dragon Spirit. When Vrondiss is indestructible, Bombardment can be part a combo to do infinite damage to opponents with any two of Dragon Tempest, Scourge of Valkas, Terror of the Peaks, Outpost Siege or Warstorm Surge.
Wild Endeavor is a six mana ramp spell with only d4 rolls, you don't really want to be casting ramp with six mana.
Consider more repeatable draw sources which the precon really lacks. More effects that draw a card whenever a Spirit Dragon is created and from other enrage: Ripjaw Raptor, Garruk's Packleader, Elemental Bond.
Ripjaw Raptor is another good creature to make indestructible because then you can draw cards by doing damage to it. Garruk's Packleader draw is a may, you can stop drawing at any time. With Packleader in your control and Vrondiss is indestructible then one of Dragon Tempest, Scourge of Valkas, Terror of the Peaks, Outpost Siege or Warstorm Surge will create as many Dragon Spirits who will do damage/sac itself as you want which is draw as many cards as you want.
- Ripjaw Raptor --> Wulfgar of Icewind Dale
- Garruk's Packleader --> Chameleon Colossus
- Elemental Bond --> Neverwinter Hydra
One area from the precon you haven't upgraded is the manabase, it's still 39 lands and 27 basic lands. Some lands to consider adding in place of some basic lands and Underdark Rift:
- Karplusan Forest
- Fire-Lit Thicket
- Grove of the Burnwillows
- Rootbound Crag
- Rockfall Vale
- Cragcrown Pathway Flip
- Highland Forest
- Naya Panorama
- Jund Panorama
- Tyrite Sanctum
- Rogue's Passage
- Bonders' Enclave
I don't think you need 39 lands, some of them could be cut for lower CMC ramp such as Farseek, Talisman of Impulse and Sakura-Tribe Elder. Because you have Cinder Glade and could add Highland Forest then Farseek has a dual land to search for. For two mana Tyrite Sanctum can repeatedly put a counter on Vrondiss to make him bigger. Once he's a God then Sanctum can be saced to make Vrondiss indestructible. Both these effects are helpful coming from a land.
I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
Hey, nice upgrades for the precon and funny deck name.
Goblin Bombardment can do 1 damage to any target for enrage. When Dragon Spirits do damage their sac trigger goes onto the stack and it has to resolve before the Dragon Spirit is saced. When this trigger happens you can response to it by sacing the Dragon Spirit with Bombardment to do 1 damage to Vrondiss to create another Dragon Spirit or target another creature like Ripjaw Raptor. Greater Good is another powerful sac outlet to take advantage of Dragon Spirits sac trigger. In response sac the Dragon Spirit to draw 5 cards.
To really abuse Vrondiss consider more indestructible? You have Heroic Intervention, but consider more ways?
- Anara, Wolvid Familiar --> Thunderbreak Regent
- Roar of Challenge --> Mage Slayer
- Tyrite Sanctum --> Crucible of the Spirit Dragon
Roar of Challenge can do a lot with Vrondiss for three mana because he has more than 4 power. It makes him indestructible and forces an opponent who has creatures for all them block him which each creature who does this is one instance of damage/enrage to Vrondiss to potentially create a lot Dragon Spirits.
Because you have Stomping Ground, Cinder Glade and Highland Forest than Farseek is an upgrade for Rampant Growth. Karplusan Forest, Fire-Lit Thicket, Rootbound Crag, Jund Panorama are some less expensive lands to consider adding.
Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
I've had my eye on possibly running Glacial Crevasses in my EDH decks for quite some time now as I feel it makes an excellent combat deterrent. By having this card on the field the whole table knows I can completely negate an attack thrown at me even when tapped out which can help keep combat-oriented decks from wanting to waste their combat step on me.
The problem is this card only works if I have Snow-Covered Mountains. If I have none Glacial Crevasses means nothing to my opponent, if I have one Snow-Covered Mountain my opponents might try to fish me into sacking it and if I have three Snow-Covered Mountains my opponents will likely not bother with me until the game reaches a 1-versus-1 state.
This card is easier to run in mono-red decks, but I want to put it in 3-color decks which means I don't want to flood my entire manabase with Snow-Covered Mountains especially if I'm not going to draw into Glacial Crevasses certain games.
Additionally would you count fetch-lands towards your Snow-Covered Mountain count, such as Arid Mesa , Ash Barrens , Bloodstained Mire , Prismatic Vista , Scalding Tarn and Wooded Foothills? (My 3-color red decks usually run all 6 of these fetches just to color fix with Ravnica shock lands if needed.)
Also how good would you evaluate Unstable Frontier as a utility land? If I'm running Snow-Covered Forests, Snow-Covered Islands, Snow-Covered Plains or Snow-Covered Swamps, I can use Unstable Frontier to turn any of them into a Snow-Covered Mountain and as a color fixing source if I have too many Snow-Covered Mountains, but I don't know if it would be better to just use another Snow-Covered Mountain over it instead.
Lastly, should I run cards like Alpine Meadow, Highland Forest, Sulfurous Mire and Volatile Fjord? I already run all the Modern fetch-lands that could tutor for lands such as these, so I could hit them very consistently, but I don't like the fact they're tap-lands. Given I run only three colored decks I can only ever fit any of two of them at a time. Would they be worth an inclusion?
Thank you for your insight.