Underground Sea

Land — Island Swamp

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Discussion (51)

greyninja on Nekusar

1 week ago

Looks fun +1 from me

I'd suggest you include 32-37 lands. Anything under 30 will be really tough. The 8-10 pieces of ramp you have is decent, but you will struggle without enough lands. I usually auto-include 36 lands, unless I have like 12-20 pieces of ramp

Budget options would be Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, Crumbling Necropolis, Bloodfell Caves, Swiftwater Cliffs, Dismal Backwater, Sunken Hollow, etc

High cost: Steam Vents, Watery Grave, Blood Crypt, Fabled Passage, Prismatic Vista, Polluted Delta, Bloodstained Mire, etc

Expensive af: Scalding Tarn, Badlands, Underground Sea, Volcanic Island

multimedia on Tainted soil

2 weeks ago

Hey, you're welcome. Good job with the update, but you can still do a lot more upgrading with such a high budget.

In my opinion Amulet of Vigor is not worth playing just for the few interactions that it has. Making Zombies that will ETB tapped not be tapped is fine, but if you have to use a card spot in the deck just to be able to do this interaction then it's not worth it. With such a high budget you shouldn't need to play the Bounce lands since there's many other more playable dual lands to use instead such as the three Shock lands. I feel you're playing the Bounce lands and other lands that ETB tapped only because of Vigor which is hindering your deck. Arcane Signet, two drop mana rock ramp would do a lot more than Vigor.

Temple of the False God is not a good land here because you don't have land ramp to accelerate the amount of lands you have on the battlefield. Without Urborg, you're relying too much on making a land drop on your turns. Temple can't tap for mana until turn five, more likely after which is not worth it.

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To continue with upgrades my advice is to cut Molderhulk, Vulturous Zombie, Eternal Skylord, Soulless One, Havengul Lich. These Zombies are some of the least good of the rest; they're all outclassed by other creatures. You don't need Skylord because you have Wonder which is a much better card, giving flying to all your creatures including Muldrotha not just tokens.

To make Wonder more consistent consider adding more Island dual lands? Especially Watery Grave, but also Sunken Hollow. Fetch lands that can search for a Island are also helpful, Flooded Strand, Polluted Delta, etc. It's kind of a annoying to have Underground Sea and not be able to fetch it with a Fetch land. Crop Rotation can be helpful since it can tutor for an Island or Urborg or Coffers and put it onto the battlefield.

Consider adding more reanimation? Buried Alive is powerful enabler for reanimation tutoring for three creatures one of which can be Wonder. Cryptbreaker is a good one drop Zombie who's an enabler for reanimation or putting other permanents into your graveyard for Muldrotha. It can fuel it's own draw ability by creating Zombie tokens. Animate Dead for reanimation has interaction with Muldrotha since it's a permanent and it can also reanimate an opponents creature. Reanimate, reanimate any creature in your graveyard or an opponents paying life.

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Upgrades to consider:

• Gravecrawler > Temple of the False God
• Cryptbreaker > Vulturous Zombie
• Watery Grave > Dimir Aqueduct
• Buried Alive > Molderhulk
• Animate Dead > Eternal Skylord
• Crop Rotation > Havengul Lich
• Reanimate > Soulless One
• Arcane Signet > Amulet of Vigor
• Breeding Pool > Simic Growth Chamber
• Overgrown Tomb > Golgari Rot Farm
• Sunken Hollow > Evolving Wilds

Ragdalf on HL_Bant_Flash

1 month ago

After some more playtesting I've decided that back to basics is to good and has to be played.

Added	Cutted
Back to Basics	Unexpectedly Absent
Shadowspear	Sword of Feast and Famine
Enlightened Tutor	Dromoka's Command
Mystical Dispute	Dovin's Veto
Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath	Restoration Angel
Gitaxian Probe	Ephemerate
Snow-Covered Island	Underground Sea
Snow-Covered Island	Bayou
Snow-Covered Forest	Temple Garden
Snow-Covered Forest	Rishadan Port

VexenX on [[Primer]]-God of the Rising FULL Moon! Butts Up!!

1 month ago

Underground Sea might be it lol

doge1980 on Milly's Yuriko | Game Knights #35

1 month ago

I love how this commander works! I don't like blue, but Yuriko feels like she's doesn't. The way she group slug each opponent feels so red or rakdos instead of dimir colors.

I'm going to build a budget Yuriko deck after watching that episode. Probably just remove Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Vampiric Tutor and Underground Sea, since those 3 cards counts for over half the deck's budget. lol.

SideBae on Scarab God Reanimator/Control

3 months ago

The deck is in the 'help' section so I'll leave some ideas... I hope I'm not being presumptuous:

1. You may want to consider running all the relevant Zendikar fetches; I see you're missing Marsh Flats, for example. They're expensive, but you're running Underground Sea so I'm assuming budget isn't really a problem. The reason I say you should run them is that a. they'll make your Jace, the Mind Sculptor's Brainstorm ability that much better, and b. they'll let you run ACTUAL Brainstorm effectively. I've found cantrips to be really effective in EDH, and I think in addition to Brainstorm you should run Ponder and Preordain in pretty much any blue deck.

2. I think Murderous Rider is likely better than Hero's Downfall. It does tuck itself when it dies, which means reanimating it could be a little tricky, but having the extra value of being able to cast it as a creature seems a strict upgrade from just an instant.

3. I'm surprised you aren't running Windfall -- it's a discard outlet and a draw spell all-in-one. I think you should run it; same goes for Fact or Fiction and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  ^Flip.

4. If you do end up running Jace's Archivist from the 'Maybeboard,' consider running Geth's Grimoire, Waste Not and/or Bone Miser. I've always been a fan of the discard subtheme in EDH, and it goes pretty well with reanimation strategies. If you do consider running those cards, it's worth noting Windfall, Liliana of the Veil, Raven's Crime and Words of Waste are also really synergistic with them.

5. I'm surprised you're not running Talisman of Dominance or Mana Vault. They both seem like good ramp for this deck.

6. I don't know if you have a problem with her staxiness, but I think Narset, Parter of Veils is the Cat's PJs. Especially with Windfall.

7. Lastly, I think Graveborn Muse has a spot in this deck. I know you said you aren't looking for zombie tribal, but she's at worst a Phyrexian Arena and you're tangentially making more zombies anyway. I feel like most of the time she'll draw you somewhere between 2 and 4 cards, which seems like it makes her worth it.

Right. That's all I got. Good luck!

DementedKirby on Atraxa, Praetors' Voice [Superfriends]

3 months ago

jtorpify

Glad you found the deck helpful!

The reason I run Arid Mesa and Bloodstained Mire is because Arid Mesa can fetch for either the Plains, Godless Shrine, Hallowed Fountain, Savannah, Scrubland, Temple Garden, or Tundra while Bloodstained Mire can fetch for either the Swamp, Bayou, Godless Shrine, Overgrown Tomb, Scrubland, Underground Sea, or Watery Grave. So I guess it's fair to say that even though the deck doesn't run any mountains, Arid Mesa and Bloodstained Mire are pretty useful ;)

ShreddedByCrows on Surrakar tribal challenge

3 months ago

Cool concept, even if it's pretty hard to match. A bit of an easy take on your theme, but why don't you play some Shapeshifters as a way to have more Surrakar? Tribal cards also could help.

As Surrakars' living places are mostly wild forests and underground rivers, there's a lot to do with that without having to back up only on the Zendikar's expansions.

1.) River cards:

• River of Tears not the best land you could find, but fits in there

• Underground River certainly an essential

• Bad River cheap fetchland fitting the theme

• Rushing River great removal, really underplayed, fits the theme / you can try something revolving around self land destruction if you decide to give it a try (Crop Rotation, Crucible of Worlds, Wasteland, etc.)

• River Kelpie interesting creature, which design feels otherworldly and weird, according to the Surrakars /n needs a graveyard gameplan to be effective, and that will seem fine (obvious synergy is [card:Cauldron of Souls] and it's a playable card in there) / pretty good interactions with Yarok / card draw

• Carpet of Flowers staple in lots of decks for mana production, depends on your playgroup though

• Dire Undercurrents excellent synergies with Yarok, enabling your creatures without etb-abilities to be more effective / card draw, card advantage

• Undermine weird counterspell, not really that good, not bad either / illustration matches with the theme

2.) Cave cards:

• Cavern of Souls choose Surrakar and it becomes Surrakars' caves! / expensive though

• Rhystic Cave fun land with flavour

• Cave of Temptation

• Gemstone Caverns not sure if it fits the theme

• Cryptic Caves card draw / works just fine with [card:Crucible of Worlds] if you go for it

• Waterveil Cavern nice flavour / bad card but who minds?

• Cavern Harpy really good interactions with Yarok, can be used for some etb-abilities abuse/combo

• Ice Cave just a funny card I wanted to give a shot there, not sure if it's something worth

3.) Cloning your Surrakars cards:

• Mirror of the Forebears not the most flavourful one, but gives you a cheap way to get more Surrakars so it deserves being at least mentioned

• Fated Infatuation same comment as for the Mirror, with the advantage of the more abstract card name / waterpoint in the illustration

• Mimic Vat classic card, not the most flavourful

• Wall of Stolen Identity more of a Ravnica-themed card, but worth mentioning

• Phantasmal Image if you can alter a bit the card's image, it could be some Surrakar there / otherwise, it's a good card, and the illustration is strange enough to not injure your theme-deck-style imo

• Metamorphic Alteration also a nice one

• Mirror Image not as good as the others, still a wildish illustration style according well with Surrakars

• Unstable Shapeshifter funny card, a quality+ illustration

• Bramble Sovereign Surrakars also living in the Guum Wilds/Tangled Vale, this one feels really good / has some interactions with Yarok

• Rite of Replication Zendikar-themed, water-themed, excellent card, good interactions with Yarok

• Supplant Form let's just assume for a while that this is Surrakar's magic lel

• Dual Nature yeh it is slow, but it is strong / interactions with Yarok

4.) Tribal outlet:

• Metallic Mimic one more Surrakar buffing your Surrakars, despite lacking a Surrakar-ish illustration

• Herald's Horn will also work with Shapeshifter if you add some

• Urza's Incubator ^

• Vanquisher's Banner I don't particularly like it, but still worth mentioning

• Brass Herald good interaction with Yarok

• Kindred Discovery good interaction with Yarok

• Patriarch's Bidding personal favourite, it's a lot more fun than Mortal Combat you're running, and fits better with your themes / interacts with Yarok

• Riptide Shapeshifter weird card, costs a lot of mana, good effect even if you could just run Natural Order instead

5.) Yarok outlet

• Panharmonicon I know your strategy is different, but I always find it more interesting when your commander actually is useful

• Conjurer's Closet ^

• Yarok's Fenlurker flavourful, fine card

• Bala Ged Scorpion flavourful, ok/bad card

• Bojuka Bog flavourful, fine card

• Eternal Witness

• Roil Elemental

6.) Other cards

• Underground Sea

• Unclaimed Territory

• Copy Artifact

• Sculpting Steel

• Memory Plunder for the illustration

• Peer Pressure

• Imagecrafter

• Trickery Charm

• Standardize

• Unnatural Selection

• Arcane Adaptation

• Sunder

• Tangle Wire

• Abominable Treefolk

• Beast Within

I hope you'll find something helpful amongst those suggestions, keep on brewing and thanks for sharing it!