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Indestructible (Effects that say "destroy" don't destroy this artifact.)
: Add one mana of any colour.
scotchtapedsleeves on EDH: Saheeli's Mana Rocks You
1 day ago
Coming from the Advertise your Deck forum.
I like the ideas you've thrown in with for the upgraded precon, but your mana base could use some work. I'd cut lands down to 35-36 and replace a few of your slower rocks (eg. Magnifying Glass, Unstable Obelisk) with an Izzet Signet, Darksteel Ingot or Honor-Worn Shaku. Remember, you're not just playing colourless spells!
Additionally, your mana curve is a bit out of wack. Throwing expensive cards in your deck looks fun, but it won't play well unless you have consistent ramp. Spine of Ish Sah doesn't seem to be doing much unless you have a combo in mind. I don't love Planar Bridge. Myr Battlesphere doesn't have much use unless you add more Myrs (speaking of, Palladium Myr, Silver Myr, Alloy Myr).
You don't have much card draw, I'd add Brainstorm, Fabricate, and Ponder.
I'm also not a huge fan of the 4 planeswalkers, those slots could probably be better used with more artifact generation or counterspells.
Hope this helped!
SilencedDax on Phylactery lich: a Rule 0 …
1 month ago
Than you for the ideas! I really like the ones you mentioned, seems great Vorthos targets for the Lich, a so much valuable object like the Crown it's perfect target haha Following the "empire" cycle you mentioned: Hand of Vecna, Eye of Vecna and The Book of Vile Darkness seem great and flavour objectives.
I like all the indestructible artifacts: Stuffy Doll, Creepy Doll, Darksteel Axe, Darksteel Citadel, Darksteel Forge, Darksteel Ingot, Darksteel Juggernaut, Darksteel Pendant, Darksteel Plate, Colossus of Akros, Darksteel Colossus, Darksteel Myr, Darksteel Relic, Kaldra Compleat, Shield of Kaldra, Necron Monolith, That Which Was Taken. I do not note the worse indestructible cards
The arficat lands as you say it would be great, at least I can be use the mono-black artifact lands (maybe there's only one).
If it was dimir or golgari I could use more liches but I can't, it's a pitty
Thank you for the ideas!
livingrock on Postman's Fear Delivery
2 months ago
I'm assuming that your lands haven't been adjusted for multicolor and not that you need that many basics. Here's what I have for your acquire board:
Bojuka Bog Dismal Backwater Command Tower Dreadship Reef Evolving Wilds Rogue's Passage Dimir Aqueduct
Sol Ring Darksteel Ingot Replicating Ring Lantern of the Lost Tormod's Crypt Honored Heirloom Slip Through Space Ghostly Flicker Dauthi Horror Crypt Incursion
MeneerDutchy on Noyan Dar
3 months ago
- Founding the Third Path
- Silver Scrutiny
- Shore Up
- Walking Atlas
- Weathered Wayfarer
- Teferi's Response
- Mirrorweave Dit is ook wel een leuke boardwipe, dan worden alle andere creatures 0/0's, of je kan iemand anders zijn nasty creature copieren en met een paar landen aanvallen.
- Azorius Charm
- Reality Shift
- Slip Through Space
- Artful Dodge
- Gift of Estates
- Skyclave Relic
- Darksteel Ingot
- Razortide Bridge
SniperFrog on Oona
7 months ago
Alright. So there's a couple things I would change, but I don't want you to think it's better or anything, just what I would do. I'll give budget suggestions and non budget suggestions so you have a variety of choices without hurting the wallet.
I think I would go for mono blue so I can get Bruvac the Grandiloquent's effect in my command zone. It seems actually nutty to just be able to get this guy going. That being said, I like a lot of the black spells you have here, namely Mind Grind and Nightscape Familiar, so I would consider something like Phenax, God of Deception or maybe Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker to stay in dimir. Not really sure the red is helping much at all, though. Only four red cards is a bit of a bad look, though they seem cool in theory. I've never played any of them, so I don't really know how good they actually are.
So there are a few optimizations I would consider as well. Three mana rocks are a bit slow for my tastes and there are a lot of decent options at two mana, I'd recommend Fellwar Stone, Mind Stone and Arcane Signet to name a few cheaper options. There's also Sapphire Medallion, Chrome Mox and Mana Vault, though those are strictly non budget.
More optimizations for interaction seems good here as well. Maybe drop some of your three mana counterspells for some one or two mana spells. Counterspell is a mainstay and at very good price as well. I like Swan Song, An Offer You Can't Refuse and Drown in the Loch in this slot. There are a plethora of non budget options as well, particularly free counters like Force of Will and Force of Negation or other heavy hitters like Mana Drain and Cryptic Command. Plenty of cool things to do with this, however, so you have options.
Your lands look rough. I personally will always go with untapped lands with so many options, but that can get really pricy, really fast. Of course, if you didn't have to worry about a red splash, your landbase gets A LOT better.
If you're having trouble with hitting enough lands, consider lowering the curve a bit or even adding a couple more to try to smooth things out. I generally try to have around forty-two to forty-five mana sources, though my curves are usually around 2-2.5, so you might want a little more than that, maybe. I don't know. That's something you can figure out with playtesting.
Now comes the fun part. As it stands, including the above mentioned cards, I would try to find room for these:
Into the Story for some card draw.
Leyline of the Void or something similar like Planar Void along with Helm of Obedience mills infinitely. Also pretty good to beat the eldrazi triggers if you see these things regularly.
Rhystic Study and its baby brother Mystic Remora are both excellent card draw spells with humongous upside, though they are both getting a little on the expensive side now, with Rhystic pushing forty or fifty bucks.
I like Bitter Ordeal, but I think this is kind of a pet card that I want to make work, so I might be projecting here. lol
Reanimate effects seem VERY strong here. I like the ones that target opponent's graveyards the most, so I would stick with Animate Dead and Dance with the Dead along with the aforementioned reanimate. Didn't think about this at first. Could be really sweet.
Mesmeric Orb is money in these decks. Gives mad inevitability.
Altar of the Brood and Altar of Dementia are both combo pieces, but I feel like they're more build arounds than good on their own.
Folio of Fancies. I've never seen this card before, but I love it. Seems like it would fit nicely.
Tome Scour and Brain Freeze are insane with Underworld Breach but this is another build around that pulls you more into storm than mill, I think. Still maybe worth thinking about.
Sands of Delirium seems sweet.
A few draw X spells could be just what you need. Stroke of Genius, Pull from Tomorrow, Fascination and Prosperity come to mind. Skyscribing also seems sweet, but I'm not sure how good it is.
Some cards I would just outright cut:
Gravepurge, not positive what this is doing for you, beside gumming up your draws. I guess it can get something back but not sure it's relevant. Hard to say without playing the deck.
All three mana rocks. Darksteel Ingot, Dimir Cluestone, Ur-Golem's Eye, Hedron Archive are a few. There are actually a few more than I thought, so maybe cutting all of them isn't the right thing to do unless you are cutting like for like for cheaper rocks.
Grisly Spectacle, I feel like you can get a better removal spell. I see the appeal, but I feel like it will get at most six cards milled maybe. Something like Feed the Swarm is probably just better or Drown in the Loch which hits two birds with one stone.
Countermand. Four mana counterspell seems like a really hard ask. I know it's on theme, but something cheaper is probably just better. See above for suggestions on cheap counters.
I would maybe cut some other, stuff, but I feel like I've already given you a lot to think about. Love the list. I'm excited to see it once you've had a chance to keep tuning it. Follow for sure. :)
WhatInTheWhoNow on Imagine voltron being consistent...
10 months ago
Energy Flux: I did heavily consider Energy Flux when creating the deck, but ultimately decided against it because it doesn't fit my style. I think it would be dangerous to wait a full 4 turns using just land to get Zur out, however, that does not mean it may be worth using rocks and destroying everyone's artifacts after Zur is out. Also, it is important to note that sacrificing does not "destroy" a permanent, but simply places it in the graveyard; thus you would still need to pay Darksteel Ingot's cost (here it is on the Wiki https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Indestructible, under the "description" section). However you're still right, it is a good card in this deck and I think it would fit nicely, especially against any artifact decks. I don't doubt how good it is; maybe I'm just baby for being too scared to kill my own artifacts.
Dreamscape Artist: Hmm, it is definitely tempting. However, I think it would be better to use enchantments to guarantee land drops. It's for that reason that I included The Birth of Meletis and The Restoration of Eiganjo Flip, and I have been debating the necessity of Blanket of Night.
Dance of Many: This looks to be a really fun card. Although it would be sad to commit to an opponent's creature and have to kill your own if you need to remove it. I'll keep an eye on this one should I feel like changing things up.
Ash Barrens: Seems like a shoe in to me. It's cheap and as you said, it fixes mana if necessary. Personally, with 48 mana (land + rocks) in this deck already, I think mana fixing won't be much of an issue.
Retreat to Coralhelm: Yeah, this one is a bit out there. Considering that there is already a lot of draw enchantments, it would seem like a bit of a waste to scry. As for tapping creatures, Zur should be unblockable sooner or later as well as have vigilance.
Darksteel Ingot and Skyclave Relic: These are both good cards, and do better than the cluestones and Sol Grail. I think Darksteel is cheap enough to throw it in without question.
DreadKhan on Imagine voltron being consistent...
10 months ago
Another cheap card that can do a ton of work sometimes is Energy Flux, a fetchable card that makes it impractical to keep around more than 1 or 2 artifacts. I run it with Skyclave Relic, but you can also use Darksteel Ingot for less, and you might even look at Dreamscape Artist to ramp. Very out there, but Retreat to Coralhelm works very well with Dreamscape, as well as with Stasis in general I suppose. I'd probably run Ash Barrens, it's floor is a Waste, but it can fix your mana for 1 mana, I love seeing it in my opening hand. If people run stuff like Blightsteel Colossus in your meta, Dance of Many is absolutely hilarious. Not sure any of that is especially relevant for you, but it's stuff that might be worth a look, depending on what you run into!
rwn1971 on White Myr
11 months ago
Okay i need to build this but some suggestions if you do not mind. Chief of the Foundry Tempered Steel Darksteel Forge Darksteel Ingot
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