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Herald's Horn Discussion
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
Thank you for the critique! The advice is hella helpful. The Full Moon's Rise is definitely getting dropped. I think I was trying to accommodate the fact a lot of wolf cards also synergize with werewolves, but realizing I had less than 9 or so creatures makes slotting for them a loss for the deck. By accepting the token theme, that also means I can get rid of stuff like Door of Destinies and Herald's Horn since there are so few creature spells. I think I'm going for a full wolf token theme by the looks of it. Overrun and Inspiring Call is totally going in to protect from board wipes and having an extra finisher.
Thanks again for commenting and helping fix up this deck my dude!
2 weeks ago
I know some of these get up to the $10-$15 mark but worth checking out. Also check out ixalan block or commander 17 has some more generic tribal things.
2 weeks ago
lifemtg, I have basically built the meta I play in. I play at home usually, with my boys. Every now and then I'm able to get out into the wild and play, but its not very often right now. I wish it were different, but thems the breaks for now.
The deck started out as a budget build, but it isn't condemned to never being upgraded. But I want to retain the theme of the deck, the simplicity of making big mana dorks.
As for your suggestions:
Austere Command : I will consider this one. Being flexible based on the size of my creatures at the time could be handy. Trostani Discordant : She is useful for preventing theft, but otherwise doesn't fit the theme of the deck. Worth consideration, though. Teferi's Protection : Always good, but always expensive. I've got one copy freed up.... Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite : No thanks. $20, and a card that makes other people hate the game...like I said, I play with my sons, and I want them to keep playing with me. Sylvan Library : Always good, but not always necessary. I have some copies, but this deck doesn't need one. I've got plenty of other card draw. Herald's Horn : If "Mana Dork" were a creature type...but even then, this deck is pretty low to the ground as it is. Camaraderie : this could probably replace Collective Unconscious . Same CMC, but also gains life. Finale of Glory and Luminarch Ascension : I'm not really running a token deck, although these cards would flood the board nicely. Skullclamp : not a sacrifice deck, so I tend to save the 'Clamp for things like that. Plenty of other draw in the deck. Nissa, Voice of Zendikar : Useful. Even though she makes tokens, her minus and ult would be solid in here. Worth consideration. Gavony Township : Also useful and worth considering. It's a slightly worse Karn's Bastion in here, and I like redundancy.
Thanks for the suggestions, again!
2 weeks ago
This is a bit of a long one, but I'd like to respond to all the comments haha,
Love the deck name. The First Sliver is very fast and can be brutal when the opponent can't blow you out. Swarming the field can be enough to slaughter your opponent if its 1v1. It's definitely much harder if your partner has killed your commander 3 times and forced it to become 11 cmc! But of course, still very good.
In non 1v1 it could be harder, but then it could be still ok as well, depends on the meta and the politics in the play group. I never realised how important politics were until I played one of my other favourite decks: Queen Marchesa . Sometimes I face 1 control deck and 2 other aggro decks and I find that we all team up to take down the control deck because it can easily blow us all up with an Evacuation or Cyclonic Rift . In a meta full of other aggro decks, sometimes I find there are more threatening challengers, e.g. Edgar Markov which can start of WAY faster, Maelstrom Wanderer which can just win in a single turn, and Reanimator strategies which summon giant unstoppable threats. In a full combo meta, you might find that you get a lot of support if you make deals with people to assist in taking down a combo player. One of my friends was playing Kess, Dissident Mage storm and everyone countered his boardwipes so I could get in to finish him before he went off. Certainly where no one plays politics, you will seem quite threatening because you're the 'sliver' guy (definitely a dirty word). The First Sliver is very threatening, but it has some weaknesses (e.g. board wipes) and may be portrayed as more 'dirty' than it actually is. If you make it clear what your weaknesses are, play it patient + look for windows where you can surprise kill people, and make it clear that you play a role in keeping the peace (that you're valuable to keep alive), it won't be too bad and people won't see The First Sliver as THAT big of a threat (albeit still a threat haha). When you attack, share the love. When you go in for the kill, be sure u can kill them dead.
I hope you have fun at the LGS! I'm actually overseas on vacation at the moment, but in July I'll be back at my LGS and keen to slam some games with this deck.
Thanks for the constructive criticism; I don't think it's negative at all and very useful. I hope I get more comments like this. I'll try to address all the points, please let me know if I missed anything!
- Hitting 5 mana consistently
You'd be surprised at how often the deck is able to get to 5 mana. I based the land count off my predecessor sliver lists, though after play testing, I found that 35 was good myself. We don't really thin the deck of lands so we draw lands quite a lot. If worse comes to worse, you might need to mull, but as soon as you hit 5 lands you can do much of what the deck was designed to do.
We have ramp in the form of Manaweft Sliver , Gemhide Sliver , Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , Herald's Horn , Urza's Incubator and even 2 pseudo-power cards as ramp (as well as ways to search for them/draw them). But you're right about the lack of ramp. Hence, I've I mentioned in one of the previous comments (#10) that I'll be trying to add more "ramp/rocks to ensure consistency as well as enough mana in the late game". Ultimately, however, I do want to minimise the number of non-sliver cards. The gimmick of this deck just aims to cascade as much as possible and play the pseudo-power cards. We don't risk cascading into ramp by accident, which is what I didn't like about my Maelstrom Wanderer deck, so the ceiling is high, but there is the trade-off.
The deck seems to do fine in getting to 5 from what I've seen, though I'll report back after further tests. Even if it doesn't hit 5 lands on 5, it doesn't mean doom. The deck is admittedly quite glass cannon regarding lands, though by virtue, it also has a high ceiling. Maybe after testing more, I'll go up to 36, but I will need to find room for that extra land. I'm considering even putting in utility lands (see comment #10) which will grind us advantage while also adding to the land count.
Much of the lands come in tapped yes, but in the guide I wrote that this was a budget mana base. I also suggested to use fetches, shocks (and even duals) if you had them available to you. The lands will come in tapped in this build, though if you sequence correctly it should not be too much of a hindrance.
Ultimately, I keep my low land count because: As you said I mentioned, the deck is fast. For the most part, 5 mana is all you need to go off because you'll be casting multiple slivers off each trigger (we also have acceleration cards that allow free casting, such as Descendants' Path and the hideaway lands, so we can do more with less mana). This low count also ensures you draw as most slivers as possible.
- Recasting the commander
You are completely correct in noticing the weakness in The First Sliver being removed and being hard to be recasted. In comment #4 I stated that after play testing the The First Sliver became widely feared and was likely to be removed. Therefore I suggested to add in Diffusion Sliver . The idea is to either have enough lands or play protection before you cast The First Sliver (for now, but, as I mentioned, I definitely would like to try tech in more ramp, though what we have now is not too bad). Also, you have to be aware that as soon as you cascade a few times after, you're very likely to hit Mox Tantalite and Lotus Bloom which will keep you in the game until you hit more lands and the card draw engines (including Ancestral Vision ) will draw you into more.
As for protection, I consider cards that leave The First Sliver 's casting cost at 5 as protection as well (I probably should have been more clear about this). As long as you can replay your commander, it can do its job. These include: Crypt Sliver , Hibernation Sliver , Frenetic Sliver , Pulmonic Sliver , Sliver Hivelord , Ward Sliver , Crystalline Sliver and ways of searching. Sometimes these slivers will be situational (e.g. some cannot defend against exile effects), though patience and not presenting yourself as a threat before getting these cards out is the key. Sometimes you just need to play without The First Sliver abit. You can also let your commander go to the grave and use Graveshifter or Volrath's Stronghold .
Again, there are also other utility lands which I want to tech in (see comment #10) which will act as recursion after The First Sliver dies. In saying this, I avoid non-sliver protection spells for the same reason I try minimise ramp spells: ending the cascade chain. Also, I would rather draw slivers or non-sliver cards that accelerate us in the late game + while some of the slivers I mentioned account for board-wipes, the non-creature shroud/hex proof cards will leave you with no slivers to protect after a wrath.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely test with more ramp and lands for sure.
This is an interesting suggestion, I haven't really considered it. Though there seem to be some downsides.
Aetherflux Reservoir could be good as we cast so many spells off cascade. This can lead to finishing opponents off early. However, we don't cast enough spells to gain us up to 111 life (assuming this is a standard game with 4 players and everyone at 40 life, leaving us at 1 after Aetherflux Reservoir ). Based on the triangle number sequence, if we cast 4 creatures we will deal 10 damage. If we cast 5 (the average) we will deal 15 damage. If we cast 6, we will deal 21 damage. This will take at least 6 turns to get to 111 life, by which the opponents will have destruction for the Aetherflux Reservoir and we can't protect it, lacking any counters in the deck (a bit too glass cannon?). We are also so aggressive that we can normally already kill under 6 turns when we do go off. Because the lack of defensiveness this deck has, we will also be taking a lot of damage from other aggro decks. This will be worse for us if we play Aetherflux Reservoir , because we will likely become more archenemy than we already are; we can definitely take out 1 or 2 players, but our life will be too at risk from the last player. This also encourages going all out with casting our hand, which may cause us to over-extend and blow out.
This may be assisted by Essence Sliver though such may be a bit inconsistent. Furthermore, it's a risk to cascade into it and is a card that we don't necessarily want in the late game, having cast everything we have already.
Though again, my theorising is all on paper and I might give it a try? In practice who's to say it won't work? With aggression from our deck we may not even need to reach 100 life. Very interesting suggestion.
- Thank you all for the feedback! I like constructive criticism and will continue to improve this build.
3 weeks ago
Here are some more budget and non budget cards. Austere Command would be a better and more versatile board wipes. Although the cmc is higher it should be easy with your mana dorks and such. Trostani Discordant makes sure your creatures can’t be stolen and gives them +1/+1. Shanna, Sisay's Legacy would be a great creature for 2. Teferi's Protection is good. Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is OP in any deck. Sylvan Library , and Herald's Horn , considering a lot of your creatures Elf Druids, but really the ratio isn’t high but still it would be a cool add but definitely not something that is game changing. Camaraderie is cool. Another X spell I didn’t mention is Finale of Glory . Skullclamp will help with emergencies card draws. Luminarch Ascension and also Nissa, Voice of Zendikar , Gavony Township .
3 weeks ago
Right off the bat, 3.14 Average CMC is high for a deck like Merfolk, your curve looks good, just try to add more 2 drops, even if it's just ramp sources Fellwar Stone Mind Stone Coldsteel Heart Sapphire Medallion Emerald Medallion Farseek Nature's Lore Rampant Growth , etc.
Song of Freyalise could be fun
Overwhelming Stampede seems low power in a deck that doesn't have any huge beaters, Behemoth and Forerunners seems unnecessary when you could run a tutor in place of one. (Also Avenger of Zendikar plays really well with either).
Force of Vigor has been performing amazingly in all my testing if you're interested in it.
Path of Discovery seems.. less than synergistic with no graveyard play.
3 weeks ago
Personally I'm for this change. The cards you cast are for you, and care about you, and what you do. It helps keep your boardstate self-contained imo, except when cards are designed specifically to interact with your opponent and their boardstate. IE Authority of the Consuls , etc.
Herald's Horn occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%