Land — Forest Plains
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Scattered Groves enters the battlefield tapped.
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Scattered Groves occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.04%
GW (Selesnya): 1.45%
GWU (Bant): 0.57%
Scattered Groves Discussion
1 day ago
I would definitely suggest adding in Mimic Vat. It's incredibly flexible, and you can Populate the token and keep that copy. The tokens from Desolation Twin and Phyrexian Processor can be hilarious with Trostani. Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage can Populate multiple times so I'd try to find a space for it. And Phyrexian Rebirth is a great wrath for this deck.
I agree with the first post regarding Explosive Vegetation. I'd personally run Rampant Growth, but if not I'd recommend swapping it for Circuitous Route since it can also find the guildgate, or Skyshroud Claim since you get those lands untapped and it can find duals (in which case I'd also add in Scattered Groves and Temple Garden if possible).
I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the big token doublers: Anointed Procession, Parallel Lives, Doubling Season, and Rhys the Redeemed. But since this is a deck for someone else who's new to the game I can understand why you might not want to include those. But they're always worth mentioning for anything that churns out tokens.
I hope some of that helps : )
2 weeks ago
This looks like a fun deck. My only suggestion would be to work on the mana base a bit. For example, there's really no reason to be running Tranquil Expanse, a tapland with no upside. There are a lot of replacements such as Temple of Plenty for scry, Scattered Groves for fetching and cycling, or even Graypelt Refuge or Blossoming Sands for life gain. You could also look at bounce lands such as Selesnya Sanctuary, or filter lands such as Sungrass Prairie. Those are just the WG ones, but there are WU and UG equivalents for most of those dual lands.
Some other cool lands are: Treva's Ruins (a good replacement for Seaside Citadel), Soldevi Excavations (scrying for 1 generic), Halimar Depths, and Mistveil Plains (return card from graveyard and then tutor for it).
2 weeks ago
Hey, what's the max budget you have to make upgrades?
It can be a long process to upgrade an entire precon. What the precon really lacks is ramp, tutors and cards for better interaction with Ghired. The manabase in the precon can be upgraded with better dual lands, but casually is actually fine the way it is. Draw sources is one thing that the precon has a lot of which is surprising.
This is a summary list of some budget cards ($5 or less each, most are less than $1) that I think would help your deck:
- Ramp: Avacyn's Pilgrim, Wild Growth and Elvish Mystic
- Ramp: Selesnya Signet, Gruul Signet and Boros Signet
- Tutors: Eladamri's Call, Idyllic Tutor, Fierce Empath and Sylvan Scrying
- Extra Combats: Aggravated Assault with Savage Ventmaw
- Haste: Hammer of Purphoros, Ogre Battledriver and Lightning Mauler
- Protection: Mother of Runes, Eldrazi Displacer and Boros Charm
- Utility: Temur Sabertooth, Eternal Witness, Reclamation Sage and Regal Force
- Removal: Swords to Plowshares, Cleansing Nova and Heliod's Intervention
- Land: Canopy Vista and/or Scattered Groves that way Farseek can search for a dual land that can make white mana.
- Land: Battlefield Forge, Sunpetal Grove, Rootbound Crag and Sheltered Thicket
The avg. CMC (converted mana cost) of the precon is high at 3.9. This 3.9 number means that consistently you're not able to cast a spell until you have four mana sources and/or four lands which is slow. Consider reducing this number? Getting it down to 3.0 and then even lower after that. To do this consider cutting many high mana cost cards and replacing them with low mana cost ramp? Reducing the avg. CMC will speed up game play.
The most obvious upgrades to start with are adding more low mana cost ramp and tutors, but other upgrades to consider is how to make Ghired better overall for the deck since he's the Commander General. Casually Ghired is about attacking since he powers your deck's strategy by populating which he does when he attacks. Because attacking is important then consider strategies that can improve combat/attacking? Haste, extra combats and double strike are strong strategies with attacking.
I would make the Rhino the focus of the token population because it's big creature (4/4 trample) and is easily accessible because of Ghired. Because Ghired creates the Rhino token I don't think you need to go over the top with lots of other creatures or cards that create tokens. However, if relying more on Ghired and the Rhino token then consider more repeatable protection for Ghired to keep him alive on the battlefield. Not having to do combat damage with Ghired to populate is nice.
Not having to do combat damage means you can protect Ghired in combat so he survives while still populating a token since he attacked. If you can repeatedly protect Ghired in combat then you can keep safely attacking with him. Ghired needs to attack to populate which means he has to survive combat to be able to attack again. Protection for Ghired in combat is another area for upgrades to consider because you want Ghired to be able to keep attacking.
Extra combats are good with Ghired because he wants to be attacking and extra combats means you get to attack again or multiple times on your turn. Aggravated Assault + Savage Ventmaw is infinite combats which is infinite attacks. As long as Ventmaw can attack it makes six mana. Five of that mana can be used with Assault for an extra combat. At the extra combat Ventmaw will attack again and make six mana; use that mana with Assault and repeat. Without Ventmaw Assault is still a very good card because it can be repeatable for five mana on your turn you get to attack twice which can be a lot of Rhinos.
I offer more advice, more explanations about each of these suggestions, more detailed steps you can take to improve your deck, cards you could cut, etc. Would you like more advice?
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Your best source of card advantage in white and green is Planeswalkers, white in particular, because it has answers to every permanent type, doesn't get card advantage. Outside of Planeswalkers, Mentor of the Meek exists, it arguably is a break in the colour pie, but it exists. Cards like Shapers' Sanctuary are unlikely to help, your opponent is more likely to use a sweeper than targeted removal, though that is more of a game two consideration. Scattered Groves gives you an easy cycling option for when you don't need the land and is probably a better choice than Fortified Village.
A note on Rule of Law, it hoses Izzet Phoenix and most combo decks like Twiddle Storm or Possibility Storm / Fires of Invention. It deserves a space in your sideboard if not the main. I'd be tempted to run Ajani, Mentor of Heroes as one of your win conditions, most decks fold if you gain 100 life.
2 months ago
So I was thinking about this deck a little further, and I had a couple other thoughts:
MANA BASE — Your curve is too high to be running so few lands. I ran a few playtests of this deck against a couple different decks, and I found that it's imperative you get Regal Caracal out. That's always what won me the game (or lost me the game if I couldn't). But in several games, I was mana screwed for too many turns. In one game, I was sitting with 3 lands and a Bird for 2-3 turns before I finally drew another Bird, then had to wait another turn to use it. So I'd recommend adding at least 3 more lands.
You probably have already thought of this, but in case not, you'll definitely want better lands than guildgates. Even Blossoming Sands is better than those, since it gains you a life. But I'd recommend Sunpetal Grove and of course Temple Garden if you don't mind spending the $$. If you're worried about being mana flooded, then try Scattered Groves .
CARDS TO CUT — Other than creating tokens for Anointed Procession, Oketra has no synergy with your deck, and it's competing with other much more important 4-drops. I would cut these for 3 more lands.
Creeping Renaissance isn't Piorneer legal, sadly, so it has to be cut. But thankfully, cutting it helps lower your curve, and it won't compete with Regal Caracal for the 5-drop slot.
Finally, I don't love Watchers of the Dead mainboard. Perhaps sideboard? I'd much rather have 2x more Metallic Mimics.
TL;DR — I'd move Watchers of the Dead to the sideboard, and cut Creeping Renaissance and Oketra completely. In their place, add 2x more Mimics and 4-5 more lands. Also replace your current tapped lands with better duals. You'll still have 1-2 more slots to fill. Some suggestions:
3 months ago
Hey, Eladamri's Call is one of the best creature tutors in Commander and it's budget. It could replace Gaea's Touch . Command Tower is one of the best lands for multicolored decks. It could replace Selesnya Guildgate or comparable price Sungrass Prairie . King of the Pride is a Cat lord and it could replace Cleansing Ray .
Beast Within is a versatile instant removal spell. It could replace Consign to Dust . Metallic Mimic could be cut to clear $7+ to help the manabase. Sunpetal Grove , Ash Barrens , Naya Panorama , Fortified Village , Scattered Groves , Rogue's Passage . Mimic isn't worth $7 unless you're comboing with it which you're not doing here. Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
Lugiafan123, it depends on your manabase. I prefer to run more non-basic lands that have the basic land type, such as Scattered Groves , Canopy Vista , as well as the shocklands such as Temple Garden . Because these lands have the basic land type, you can run cards like Nature's Lore , Skyshroud Claim , and Farseek . While it might look like these cards are the same as Rampant Growth , they are actually a lot better! They don't say that you have to find basic lands. Take Nature's Lore for instance, it says that you need to find a forest card, it just so happens that Scattered Groves is a forest card as well. To take it a step further; Nature's Lore and Skyshroud Claim don't say these lands enter tapped, so a Skyshroud Claim could find you a Overgrown Tomb and Temple Garden untapped, if you pay 4 life. This is in my opinion the best way to ramp and fix your colors.
3 months ago
Hey, nice budget upgrade of the precon. Good work in progress :)
Birds and Smothering are very good choices for expensive price upgrades. Helm is fine too because you added Aurelia and Godo to give you a combo win. Omnath at $7 is kind of out of place because not playing many ways to take advantage of sacing Elementals. Rampaging does the same thing as Omnath for less than $1 and it has trample. Armada Wurm and/or End-Raze Forerunners each less than a $1 could replace Omnath and have more impact. Hornet Queen at $2 creates some nasty tokens.
Interesting choice for the other expensive price cards: Iroas, Panharmonicon and Splinter. There's nothing wrong with these cards, but I don't think they're upgrades that a budget version of the precon needs. The $20 from these three cards could be better used for land upgrades. $20 can get you the three Check lands, one Shock land as well as some other lands and these will help your deck much more.
In my opinion the upgrades that the precon needs the most are lands, tutors and ramp. I see that you're playing pretty much the stock manabase from the precon, but there's many good lands in the maybeboard. Are you in the process of getting the lands in the maybeboard? If so my advice is make them priority for upgrades.
Some budget cards to consider adding:
- Battlefield Forge : colorless/colored mana source.
- Scattered Groves : dual land that can make white mana that Farseek can tutor for. Can be temporary until you get Temple Garden and/or Canopy Vista .
- Naya Panorama : colorless/colored mana source.
- Opal Palace : colorless/colored mana source.
- Game Trail
- Fortified Village
- Sheltered Thicket
- Eladamri's Call : one of the best creature tutors in Commander.
- Fierce Empath : creature tutor to blink.
- Open the Armory : tutor for Greaves or Helm. Having another way to tutor for Helm helps consistency of assembling the combo.
- Congregation at Dawn
- Sylvan Scrying : tutor for a colorless land source or Command Tower , etc.
- Orcish Lumberjack : can tap the Forest to make mana before you sac it meaning Lumberjack combined can make four mana which is very good for a one drop. Lumberjack and a white source can get Ghired onto the battlefield fast.
- Avacyn's Pilgrim
- Talisman of Impulse : colorless/colored mana source.
- Talisman of Unity : colorless/colored mana source.
- Talisman of Conviction : colorless/colored mana source.
- Eldrazi Displacer : with colorless mana sources blink for Ghired and other creatures. Can protect Ghired, after he attacks, triggers, blink him out of combat.
- Mirror Entity : busted with Atla Palani, Nest Tender since it can turn all your creatures into Eggs. Can activate it's ability for no mana making all your creatures 0/0s. They all die, each one cheating a creature from your library onto the battlefield. Entity is also a good card with tokens because until end of turn it can pump all your creatures/tokens to huge amounts depending on how much mana you can make.
- Ogre Battledriver : repeatable pump and haste when creating tokens. Can be a win condition with Entity and Alta giving all the creatures/tokens you cheat onto the battlefield haste. Casting Ghired after getting Battledriver onto the battlefield can give an opponent a beating with haste; doing a combined 16 damage with Ghired and two 4/4 Rhinos.
- Armada Wurm : creates a token with trample, good with blink. 10 power of trample for 6 mana.
- Hornet Queen : creates nasty flying tokens, good with blink.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Rugged Highlands
- Blossoming Sands
- Graypelt Refuge
- Kazandu Refuge
- Myriad Landscape
- Sungrass Prairie
- Emmara Tandris
- Doomed Artisan
- Full Flowering
- Ghired's Belligerence
- Slice in Twain
- Aura Mutation
- Growing Ranks
- Flameshadow Conjuring
- Omnath, Locus of Rage
- Splinter Twin
- Iroas, God of Victory
If you like some of these suggestions I offer more advice about these potential additions and the cards I'm suggesting to cut. Good luck with your deck.