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Land — Forest Plains
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Scattered Groves enters the battlefield tapped.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
1 month ago
Original Dual lands are in
2 color man lands are in
upgrades in every color and almost every guild pair
- Cathar Commando
- Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
- Gideon Jura
- Parallax Wave
- Haughty Djinn
- Thirst for Discovery
- Hullbreaker Horror
- Baral, Chief of Compliance
- Liliana, the Last Hope
- Liliana, Waker of the Dead
- Rotting Regisaur
- Massacre Wurm
- Legion Warboss
- Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
- Ilharg, the Raze-Boar
- Tooth and Nail
- Biogenic Ooze
- Niv-Mizzet, Parun
- Sin Collector
- Nahiri, the Harbinger
- Grist, the Hunger Tide
- Escape to the Wilds
- Trostani Discordant
- Natural Order
- Celestial Colonnade
- Creeping Tar Pit
- Lavaclaw Reaches
- Raging Ravine
- Stirring Wildwood
- Shambling Vent
- Wandering Fumarole
- Hissing Quagmire
- Needle Spires
- Lumbering Falls
- Underground Sea
- Volcanic Island
- Tropical Island
- Quirion Ranger
- Frost Titan
- Crystal Vein
- Cave of Temptation
- Talisman of Creativity
- Talisman of Curiosity
- Talisman of Conviction
- Talisman of Resilience
- Talisman of Hierarchy
- Strionic Resonator
- Sunken Hollow
- Cinder Glade
- Canopy Vista
- Prairie Stream
- Smoldering Marsh
- Irrigated Farmland
- Scattered Groves
- Canyon Slough
- Fetid Pools
- Sheltered Thicket
- Seal of Cleansing
- Battle Screech
- Eidolon of Rhetoric
- Spirit Link
- Shoreline Ranger
- Deep Analysis
- Fate Unraveler
- Visara the Dreadful
- Ultimate Price
- Ruinous Path
- Bloodsoaked Champion
- Scab-Clan Berserker
- Sin Prodder
- Slice and Dice
- Firebrand Archer
- Vessel of Nascency
- Seal of Primordium
- Lifecrafter's Bestiary
- Abrupt Decay
- Appeal / Authority
- Wear / Tear
- Rhythm of the Wild
- Unburial Rites
- Enigma Drake
5 months ago
Heliod, Sun-Crowned, Resplendent Angel, Crested Sunmare, Serra Ascendant, The Book of Exalted Deeds, Gala Greeters, Trelasarra, Moon Dancer, Voice of the Blessed, Well of Lost Dreams, Elder Gargaroth, Aetherflux Reservoir, Angelic Accord, Authority of the Consuls, Blind Obedience, Ezzaroot Channeler, Glorious Sunrise, Ivory Tower, Nykthos Paragon, Primeval Bounty, Solitude, Spike Feeder, Urza's Saga, Heroic Intervention, Deep Gnome Terramancer
One thing I would recommend is not mixing green ramp and white catchup ramp. The white ones just get hosed. You could fix this by running lots of ways to change the amount of lands you control. Strip Mine, Wasteland, Dust Bowl, Selesnya Sanctuary
6 months ago
Cool deck you've got going here :)
I have made a Sythis deck myself, but to be honest, Im not completely into what people usually play with Sythis. I could however provide some initial thoughts I have based on your decklist.
First of I would recommend that you structure your deck with categories. I know a lot of people on tappedout doesnt use them, but they are very useful when building decks or providing feedback.
You play a lot of lands that enter the battlefield tapped, but as a two color deck containing green, Im not sure if you need to. Some of them might be handy, like Path of Ancestry and Temple of Plenty which gives scry. But I dont think you need the rest, and could swap them out with lands that dont enter tapped (like just basics). The lands are: Arctic Treeline, Blossoming Sands, Graypelt Refuge, Path of Ancestry, Scattered Groves, Selesnya Guildgate, Selesnya Sanctuary, Temple of Plenty, Thriving Grove, Vivid Grove, and Vivid Meadow
I've tried to play Crystal Chimes myself, and didnt like it that much. If I were you, I would probably take out both the chimes and the Cloud Key. They seem slow. Cards like the chimes and Resurgent Belief are very telegraphed, meaning your opponents will know what you can do before you do them, this is often quite a disadvantage.
Otherwise I think your composition is pretty nice with lots of good cards. But it might get better if you cut some of the larger mana cost cards. If you get to draw a lot from your commander, you might as well play a lot of cards. And if that is the case, mana is what is holding you back. I think cards like Celestial Mantle, Eldrazi Conscription, Epic Proportions, Gigantiform, Indrik Umbra, Martyr's Bond, and Prodigious Growth are a bit too mana expensive. (However, if you treat some of these as wincon, you should keep those)
As I mentioned, Im not quite sure what is common to play with Sythis, but as you have many spells with mana cost 3 or less, you could try Sun Titan. Otherwise, enchantment recursion is really nice in these kinds of decks (against bordwipes and such). Cards like Replenish, Retether, and Brilliant Restoration.
Finally, as mentioned by others commenters, I think removal is really important. I think Swords to Plowshares and Path to Exile are natural fits, but if you want play more enchatments, you could also try Journey to Nowhere, Borrowed Time, or Oblivion Ring. My deck Riders on the Storm has a removal category if you want to take another look.
6 months ago
Okay dann hier erstmal alle Karten die ich gefunden habe, die was sein könnten:
Jukai Naturalist ist geil, wenn möglichst alle Entchantsments mindestens 1 farbloses kosten. Turn 1 könnte man dann theorethisch noch für taplands nutzen.
Kami of Transience wird genau wie Jukai Visionary und Generous Visitor momentan im Standard in Runes gespielt. wächst schnell und ist super nervig, weil er immer wieder aus dem Graveyard zurück kommt. Allerdings wären mit Ihm, Generous Visitor und Archin of Sun's Grace schon 12 Karten drin, die selber keine Entchantments sind, aber nur durch Entchantments triggern, das würde das Deck deutlich unkonsistenter machen..
God-Favored General zwar selber auch kein Entchantment, aber produziert immerhin welche und könnte so im lategame weiter trigger auslösen. Allerdings musst du ihn erstmal getappt bekommen und mit 1/1 ist er ziemlich mickrig und stirbt quasi an allem, also vermutlich eher Nichts :/
Setessan Champion Der ist dafür Bombe! Gibt es auch auf Arena, soweit ich weiß. Gleichzeitig Drawengine und wachsende Kreatur in einem. Leider leider selber kein Entchantment.
Season of Growth wäre nett, wenn du mehr Auren spielen würdest, aber ich glaube in die Richtung soll das Deck nicht gehen, oder? Falls doch ist Sentinel's Eyes ne Aura, die du wieder verwerten kannst. Manakosten beißen sich aber mit Jukai Naturalist.
Was auch noch sehr viel versprechend aussieht, ist Kruphix's Insight. Mit genug Entchantments einfach ein 3-Mana Draw three. Aber natürlich auch ab und zu weniger, vorallem wenn du viele Archons, Visitors, Kamis und Champions spielst.
Wie wäre es mit Sigil of the Empty Throne? Ist nur 1 Mana teurer als der Archon, schwerer zu removen, macht dickere Tokens und ist selbst ein Entchantment. Gibt es übrigens auch auf Arena.
Mana Bloom sieht auch interessant aus. Du brauchst den Ramp zwar nicht, aber du könntest es theorethisch jeden Turn auf 0 spielen, einfach nur um jeden Turn nen Entchantment zu casten. Allerdings wären 2 auf der Starthand tendenziell schon game over, also am besten nur 1 mal rein, wenn überhaupt.
Dann noch banishing light tauschen gegen Touch the Spirit Realm macht das gleiche, für das gleiche Mana, hat aber noch ne andere Option, mit der du deine eigene Kreatur beschützen oder nen Token günstiger killen kannst.
Cuts: Shapers Santuary ab ins Sideboard, ist zu oft ne tote Karte. Destiny Spinner auch ins Sideboard, der Effekt ist auch zu selten gut fürs Maindeck.
First Iroan Games auch raus, viel zu langsam für dein Deck, das kann deutlich explosiver sein.
All that Glitters würde ich tatsächlich auch cutten. Es kann zwar ne sehr gefährliche Karte sein, aber wie fast alle Auren hat die Karte das Problem, dass wenn dein Gegner in Reaktion darauf nen Removal für die entsprechende Kreatur hat, du einfach 2v1 getauscht hast, ohne dass die Karte was getan hat. Außerdem bietet dir Michikos Reign of Truth den gleichen Effekt (wenn auch nur 2 Turns) ohne die gleichen Risiken zu haben und macht sogar am Ende noch ne Kreatur.
Länder: Könntest Scattered Groves als tapland spielen, das kannst du im Lategame immerhin noch cyclen, wenn du keine Länder mehr brauchst. Wenn dir das die 1,50 wert ist, dann go. Fortified Village kommt potenziell untapped, vorallem mit scattered groves als anderes dualland, da es auch die subtypes hat, und kostet quasi nichts, also aufjedenfall mit bestellen.
10 months ago
I had built my Karametra, God of Harvests with two main facets: The Landfall mechanic, and very massive creatures to put those lands to good use.
One clever trick you can do is loop Jeskai Barricade and Stonecloaker back and forth, bouncing each other. If you have an appropriate means of cost reduction, it becomes very efficient. For example, Oketra's Monument and Cloud Key would reduce their individual costs to a mere .
Each time one of these ETB, you bounce the other and tutor a Plains. If you have a means to have that Plains ETB untapped, or able to untap it, you can filter all of them from your library that turn. One method is Stone-Seeder Hierophant. Another is Amulet of Vigor.
These, in effect, allow you to cast Jeskai Barricade for just . Upon cast, you tutor a Plains. It ETB tapped and you either untap it with Amulet of Vigor or with Stone-Seeder Hierophant. From here, Jeskai Barricade ETB and you bounce Stonecloaker. Now, that Plains you just had ETB and got to untap can be tapped to add , allowing you to cast the Stonecloaker from your hand thanks to the cost reduction of Oketra's Monument and Cloud Key. From here, you tutor another Plains and repeat the whole process over again.
If you want lands that have , you can do this one of two ways:
- Use lands that have both subtypes, such as Arctic Treeline, Canopy Vista, Savannah, Scattered Groves or Temple Garden.
- You can also use mana filtering, such as Chromatic Lantern or Chromatic Orrery. There's also Joiner Adept, Mystic Monstrosity Flip and a few others. There's Overlaid Terrain if you can get it out quick enough with artifact sources, as to not damage your land base.
Filtering into will assist you in getting green mana, but it won't allow you to tutor Forests.
However, what this will do is you can tutor Forest, and use the Forest to pay for to continue the combo mentioned above. If you do this, you can tutor every single land in your entire library in one single turn.
Unfortunately, Selesnya doesn't exactly have a means to give global haste. You'd want to rely on something such as Akroma's Memorial or something else. It gets pretty tricky and difficult and you're better off to try and secure the win via alt-wincon.
But, this whole setup is extremely flimsy. Just one piece being removed blows the entire combo up. Your table may not see what's going on the first one or two times, but they will catch on and the moment Jeskai Barricade drops for the first time, it'll be hit with a furious wave of removal. Once this happens, your entire deck is dead in the water.
That's why I no longer play Karametra. She definitely is a Timmy deck because she absolutely wants tons and tons of creatures slamming the field as quickly as possible... but she becomes super flimsy. Imagine getting 9 or 10 lands out by Turn 6 or 7. You drop something massive like a Desolation Twin and it gets hit with the first wave of removal. What happens is you become the biggest threat at the table, even when you have literally nothing. The reason this mentality sinks in is because your Commander has Indestructible, so most players are unequipped to handle her. Since her removal isn't an option, they hit your boardstate, instead.
You become a magnet for removal and hate, and you spend the rest of the game "catching up" and "doing nothing".
In my personal experience, she isn't fun to play because of this very reason. But... if you'd want to build her, that's how I did.
- Landfall + that combo
Still, you need cost reduction + filtering + land untapping... it's still a cumbersome problem and, like I said, one piece of removal blows the entire combo apart.
10 months ago
I’d also suggest ditching all of your Fabled Passage, Scattered Groves, and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx for basic plains. You’re in no massive rush for green mana, and should find a single green without issue. But lands that enter tapped suck really, really badly, and you don’t realistically need the excessive mana Nykthos can generate (but you do need early white-pips)
11 months ago
Forgotten Ancient seems like a great inclusion, as well as The Ozolith
Scattered Groves, Arctic Treeline, and Canopy Vista are decent dual lands that you can fetch with karametra, god of harvests or krosan verge.
i would recommend Swords to Plowshares over condemn.
Fertilid is great way to ramp, especially if you can add counters to it.
Kalonian Hydra and Stonecoil Serpent seem fun...
hope these ideas help, cheers and have fun!
1 year ago
KyleWynne22 I admit, I don't use Regrowth all that often, as half the time I exile my own graveyard with Rest in Peace or stop all interaction with Ground Seal, however, I do think it deserves a place in the deck just for the sake of having the chance to recur things.
As for Regrowth vs. Bala Ged Recovery Flip, it does the exact same thing as Regrowth but for one more mana as you said. I think the point of interest for the card is the fact it can be a land, but I despise lands that enter tapped. If you look at the mana base for the deck, nearly all the lands either enter untapped or have a condition for entering untapped. The only reason Scattered Groves is in the deck is because it can be fetched for and I can cycle it if I need to draw a card. The fact that Bala Ged Recovery Flip is a simply worse Regrowth or a simply worse Forest makes me dismiss the card completely.