Swan Song

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Pioneer Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Swan Song

Instant

Counter target enchantment, instant or sorcery spell. Its controller creates a 2/2 blue Bird creature token with flying.

DreadKhan on Grimgrin - Needs your Help

6 days ago

When I was testing out your deck, I definitely noticed mana issues, you probably want a mix of a couple more lands and some mana rocks. There is the odd mana dork you could use, none generally as good as a Green one. I always like Dreamscape Artist in a Dimir deck that makes use of the graveyard, it's actual Harrow so the lands are entering untapped, making the ramp a bit better than it might usually be. With a 5 mana Commander I think I would run Sol Ring, especially without Green, there is also Talisman of Dominance and Dimir Signet that are solid. A really solid 3 mana rock is Skyclave Relic, it can be a 3 drop or a big (and versatile) efficient 6 drop. Not sure if you need all of those, but I think you want some of those ramp options. TBH, you might also lower your average Mana Value, you're well over 3, which might be a tad high for 33 lands in a reasonably competitive deck. A couple handy utility lands that are nice with Voltron decks include Witch's Clinic, Shizo, Death's Storehouse, and Tyrite Sanctum. Sanctum is a bit weird, but getting Indestructible on your Commander will probably feel pretty good. There are also some MDFCs that aren't bad in Black, you could replace one of your 2 mana Black removal creature removal with Hagra Mauling  Flip, risking 4 mana to remove something (with no restriction though) is harsh, but it's also a land which feels incredible in a lower land count deck. I hear Malakir Rebirth  Flip is also very good, especially with a Voltron Commander.

I also noticed that the deck seemed to not excel at clearing the board of threats/problems, this can include combo pieces or Voltron creatures. From a competitive standpoint, if you expect to play against decks that are 7s or above you probably want at least a couple more solid counters, it's hard to know which to run because actual Counterspell costs UU, which is hard to hold up obviously, but Swan Song and Negate might not be versatile enough, but I think any or all of those would make the deck more functional. Niche removal like Ravenform, Resculpt and Feed the Swarm are also worth a look, you never know when you'll need to tutor up an answer for either of those types, and being able to hit a creature is also useful, fwiw Black isn't great at exiling creatures. I see you only have 1 Planeswalker in here, have you thought about Liliana, Death's Majesty? She's got some synergy with Zombies for sure, and offers a potential wipe.

A tutor that might fit in here that you're not running is Final Parting, which is clunky at 5 mana but it also offers a two for 1 tutor, so even if it's a lot of mana it does a lot of work. I'm not sure how many cards you're that desperate to get into the graveyard, but Final Parting finds 2 of 3 pieces for Gravecrawler combos in my Meren deck, very handy if I have one in hand already.

Pretty tough finding stuff that sticks out for being suboptimal in this list! Here are a few I suspect could be upgraded: Reassembling Skeleton is a Skeleton. The recursion aspect is not particularly good at 2 mana for a non-Zombie body, with a max of one on board at a time. Undead Alchemist might do something sometimes, but I feel like it's a bad interaction with a lot of your deck, it's terrible with Living Death type stuff obviously, and if someone is close to death, this gives them way more life. Call to the Grave seems potentially iffy, you run some very good non-Zombies, and you can't sac a token instead to it, it eats only non-Zombies. Kindred Discovery seems questionable potentially, it negatively interacts with any combo that uses a zombie entering or dying repeatedly since you have to draw, this can also make you unable to swing with a huge zombie army, which seems agonizing without at least throwing in something like Capsize. More curious than certain, but do you often have 1 toughness things to work with Skullclamp? Any Zombie at 1 toughness is buffed by your lords, and the tokens you make are 2/2s iirc? If you ask me, unless you have a source of 1 toughness bodies I'm missing, you could instead run Mask of Griselbrand, it can draw cards too (sometimes way more), both require a sac outlet, and it offers real utility in combo by offering evasion and lifelink. I would run any of the removal I mentioned over Doom Blade and Go for the Throat, I feel like the versatility and some offering exile has an edge. For Tragic Slip, do you get stuck without a sac outlet very often, this seems like an unnecessary complication to have on your removal, but at least it can hit Indestructibles? IMHO if you can afford it run Deadly Rollick, this will also exile stuff without as harsh a requirement (I'd rather have the downside of 4 mana vs removing only x/1s).

DarksteelIsland on Indestructible Visions

2 months ago

Thank you for the feedback! Yes this deck was built for 2HG and will probably never see a local FNM game. As you said, the speed and counters are just not there. These are all great suggestions and I've never seen half of the cards you linked.

I do like Vault Skirge I see it working very well and becoming a huge threat early on. And a recurring problem with 4 in the deck.

A full set of Swan Song's definitely belong on the side board. The 2/2 they would create would not be a problem to deal with I do not believe.

Master of Etherium will replace the Weathered Sentinels.

Blinkmoth Urn + Treasure Vault + Vault Skirge + Cranial Plating would be devastating mid-late game. At the very least potentially double your life.

I will playtest with these suggestions and post an update at a later date!

DreadKhan on Indestructible Visions

2 months ago

Master of Etherium is a nice good generic Affinity card, as are Thoughtcast and Thought Monitor. Over Buried Ruin you might look at Treasure Vault, it's an artifact land that can make a bunch of artifacts for something like Nettlecyst or Cranial Plating.

I assume the Sol Rings are for THG, because I'm very sure it's banned in Legacy for being completely busted. There really isn't anything else as good you can substitute other than Ancient Tomb, which can kill you, but people definitely run for it's power. There are also Springleaf Drum and Moonsnare Prototype, which can ramp turn 1.

Not sure if it's truly relevant other than as bad 3 mana ramp, but Mirrormade exists. It's harder to cast than Copy Enchantment, but it can copy an Artifact if you want, which is pretty good value sometimes, copying a Land is funny.

In the event of a mirror match, you might like having access to Ravenform to remove opposing bodies that are indestructible or regenerate, it can also hit pesky artifacts, probably worth a look at for a sideboard.

This is going to sound a bit crazy, but you should consider Vault Skirge in here, making a 5/5 flying lifelink is very good vs some decks, and it also plays nice with Cranial Plating. I usually just cast it for the 2 life on turn 1 and try to get a Cranial Plating on it ASAP in my Affinity deck, it has won me plenty of tough games.

I wonder if the Blinkmoth Urns are too slow? I guess THG they make more sense, but if you want to play 1v1 Legacy, you should keep in mind how fast decks tend to be, as this deck packs essentially nothing to spoke an opponent's wheel. I'm not sure you could really fit in counters, but they are great in Legacy if your not going all-in on speed. Of particular interest, cheap/low mana counters can let you protect your indestructible creatures from Exile effects like Swords to Plowshares or edicts like Innocent Blood or Smallpox, these kinds of effects definitely see play in Legacy. I guess in THG you might have a partner packing the protection? I think you either want more creatures or some protection for your bodies. Some counters that are popular include Spell Pierce, Dispel, Swan Song and Flusterstorm, as well as free ones like Force of Will obviously. Good old Counterspell sounds good in theory, but it can be impossible to hold up UU to protect stuff, because getting out a 5/5 is time sensitive, too late and it won't be big enough, too early and the control player can just remove/counter your stuff and win later on.

Cool deck idea!

Votecat on The Queen's Egg

2 months ago

Depending on the meta I might cut Carpet of Flowers , Mystic Remora / Rhystic Study , Delay , or Swan Song for Root Sliver . I agree that with the addition of Root Sliver and the use of Cavern of Souls, Rhythm of the Wild does become redundant and even with riot isn’t a particularly attractive choice.

I would definitely agree that Intruder Alarm is a very risky play and only provides consistent value in specific metas.

I personally use Dregscape Sliver solely as a low mana recursion win con and usually wouldn’t see any long term value returns from Yawgmoth's Will.

I agree with your assessment of Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, and Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth. I will usually only use them if the color isn’t being played in the pod.

Although I do like having an additional mana loop win con, I probably wouldn’t run Ashnod's Altar if I didn’t also run Morophon, the Boundless. Thank you for the thorough reply.

Ardees on Gates? Nine Fingers Keene Competitive

3 months ago

If you are aiming at 'competitive' in the technical sense of the term (as in 'cEDH' or 'competitive EDH'), like the title seems to suggest, I see many staples missing that unfortunately make the deck quite far from being competitive.

Artifacts: you should be running at least Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Arcane Signet, Mana Vault, Jeweled Lotus, maybe even Grim Monolith and Lion's Eye Diamond.,

Tutors: you are missing Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal, and Worldly Tutor and Green Sun's Zenith if you run any combo, win, or strategy whatsoever based on creatures. You could also add Wishclaw Talisman and Solve the Equation, and, although not a tutor, Peer into the Abyss, which works quite nicely with Thought Vessel.

Lands: any competitive deck plays true duals, namely Underground Sea, Bayou, and Tropical Island. Same for shocklands and at least 6-7 fetchlands in a 3-color deck like this one. You could also consider lower the number of lands, depending on whether or not you want to keep the Gate strategy

Protection: any competitive deck that plays blue automatically plays top-end counterspells, namely Swan Song, Arcane Denial, Force of Will, Force of Negation, Pact of Negation, Fierce Guardianship, Mental Misstep, An Offer You Can't Refuse, and Flusterstorm. You are also missing key cards like Cyclonic Rift or Chain of Vapor. Needless to say, ideally a competitive deck playing blue also plays Timetwister: not a counterspell but a must card (yeah, the price is another topic of conversation).

Creatures: I understand the Gate theme but you are missing some high-value creature cards in here, most notably Dauthi Voidwalker, Malevolent Hermit  Flip, Lotus Cobra, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Tatyova, Benthic Druid, Ramunap Excavator, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Oracle of Mul Daya, Elvish Reclaimer - to name a few. Much depends on the strategy of your deck, although don't let keywords aligned with your strategy (e.g. 'Gate') fool you into thinking some cards are good for that.

Enchantments: a few staples in the current competitive meta: Rhystic Study, Mystic Remora, Sylvan Library, Burgeoning, Exploration, maybe Abundance and Necropotence

Removals: you could most definitely swap some of your removals for something better and more competitive, such as Force of Vigor, Nature's Claim, Abrupt Decay, Assassin's Trophy, and more.

Now, I totally understand there is a budget situation going on with upgrading to competitive MtG (spoiler alert: MtG is a pay-to-win type of game, research confirms), but generally the term 'competitive' sticks to decks that, to the very least, include most if not all cards mentioned above - without mentioning the fact that any competitive deck needs running at least one winning combo. At this stage, your level is more looking towards casual. This isn't to criticize you or anything of course, pretty interesting build, just not really a competitive deck in its strict sense.

If you want to try the competitive experience, my suggestion is to proxy cards by printing them online - this should cost around 10 bucks on colored and good quality paper, and effectively save you more than 7k worth of cards.

wallisface on Mono Blue Control

4 months ago

As you’ve already eluded to, the sideboard reads more like cards you wanted to fit into your deck, as opposed to being anything helpful towards shoring-up bad matchups. Specifically, i can’t see any reason for any of Cryptic Command, Kraken's Eye, Lone Revenant, Spellskite, Stubborn Denial, Swan Song, or Telepathy. It just feels like a collection of other needless counterspells… you want to be running flexible cards that deal with decks that threaten you - like Damping Sphere for Tron/Storm, graveyard hate for Murktide/Dredge, Engineered Explosives for Rhinos/HammerTime, etc. The exact cards you’ll need will be entirely meta dependant, but if you know what you’re likely to face i can give you some suggestions.

I think 20 lands is fine with 20 cantrips, but what you’re building doesn’t lean well into a control archetype - your creature quantity and spell selection lends into wanting to play a fast tempo based game. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it does suggest that you should dial-back a bit on your quantity of counterspells. Personally i’d say to just run Counterspell and not any of the other counterspells.

hiiii on I'll Just Play During Your Turn

4 months ago

Hey! I'm trying to look into interesting 1CMC counterspells you could replace Remand with. Mana Tithe, Spell Pierce, Miscast, Swan Song or An Offer You Can't Refuse could be interesting, tho they all have different drawbacks. If you want to stick to 2CMC, I'd say Dovin's Veto and Counterspell are always good options. The former is noncreatures only, but it is uncounterable, and the latter of course costs so it's harder to cast on multicolor.

As for other cards, perhaps Lair of the Hydra could interest you. It's very similar to Celestial Colonnade, except you can make it bigger if you've got the means to do so. Sadly it's only, but it can enter untapped if played early. Upsides and downsides.

Apart from that, I don't see anything I'd personally change in your deck, it seems really solid!

If you want to add insult to injury you could always play Teferi, Time Raveler. If you're looking for creatures that are harder to get rid of, you could always get Gideon Blackblade. You could also run The Wandering Emperor for flavor points.

Hope this helped! It's awesome to see an older deck still being worked on 6 years later :D

Squirrel_of_War on Toxrill, The Corrosive

4 months ago

Hey man, got a few suggestions for you. If you want to bring this to cEDH level you'll probably want to add Thassa's Oracle and Demonic Consultation/Tainted Pact and every low cost tutor so you can close the game out within the first 4 turns. You'll also want more fast mana like Chrome Mox, Mox Diamond, and of course Mana Crypt. I would add more low cost counter magic like Swan Song. Might also try Necropotence to draw into your win early if you don't have a tutor.

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