Raging Ravine enters the battlefield tapped.
: Gain or .
: Until end of turn, Raging Ravine becomes a 3/3 red and green Elemental creature with "Whenever this creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on it." It's still a land.
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Raging Ravine Discussion
4 months ago
5 months ago
Thank you amicdeep . Dropped Damnation , switched out Domri Rade for Domri, Anarch of Bolas and Davriel Cane for Liliana, Waker of the Dead . Added an extra 2 utility lands on top of the Raging Ravine i already had. Also added the Nissa of Shadowed Boughs , had played with that card on arena and forgot how good it actually was if you can protect it. Will have a think on some other options for removal...
5 months ago
It's a solid start, but there are a couple of changes I would make, first, drop damnation, it's about 35% of your budget and only so, so in this deck. Next I would have a look at your removal packages (over the last year standard has done wanders for budget options)
I would seriously consider Bonecrusher Giant as a solid body and nice removal. It's a really nice hit by bloodbraid due to its duel nature
And Vraska, Golgari Queen it's a card draw engin late game and normally 2 abrupt decays. Which is always welcome.
I would also consider 2 copy's of Chevill, Bane of Monsters as he's solid card advantage and your offen going to be killing stuff.
As your not running dark confident or goyf your probably should be running 2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang as it's a solid mid game beater and late game card advantage engin.
Stone rain is ok but far from ideal in this deck, offen it's a do nothing card.
Also if your running blighting I'm a big fan of Chandra, Acolyte of Flame as she's basically a 2 snap casters mages. (She dose need some help for teh double red mana but it's with the range of workability)
On the subject of plainswalkers apart fro vraska (which is your best budget option) your other solid options are Domri, Anarch of Bolas , ramps, protects against control lists, it pumps and it removes stuff. He's probably the best option. After that there's also Liliana, Waker of the Dead (as close to lilly of veil as where going to get) and Nissa of Shadowed Boughs who is deceptively good over a long Grindy match, bringing back your best creature with counters, and being triggered twice a turn but evolving wilds.
Hope some of this helps.
7 months ago
I have not updated my Xenagos since exactly a year ago, so some of these suggestions do not take into account cards that have been released since then such as Jeska(i?)s will and battle mammoth which should find their way into this deck. Now onto my specific suggestions....
Berserk - Yes, block Malignus with your 1/1, let's see how that turns out. Also to be used for politics as you can target an opponent's creature (such as their commander) who is attacking another opponent. This would be to replace Temur Battle rage IMO
Deflecting Swat - I'll say it once, I'll say it again. In Xenagos, your biggest issue is removal. You spend 5+ mana per beater in the hopes that they don't save removal. Most of your draw like hunters insight, return of the wildspeaker, momentous fall (although to a lesser extent) is based on the fact that you need a creature to target and if they remove your creature, you are shit out of luck. By adding swat, you can bluff while tapped out, protecting your creature allowing it to most likely survive to your next turn in order to cast one of the above mentioned draw spells. Moreover, this counters counterspells and redirects targeted removal, targeted draw, targeted extra turns, etc.... so much utility in 1 card. This is perhaps the second/third most powerful card in a Xenagos deck IMO
Heroic Intervention - Protection
Greater Good - THE MOST POWERFUL CARD IN ANY XENAGOS DECK. IF YOU DO NOT ADD THIS, THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO DISCUSS. THE SHEER VALUE OF THIS ALONE IS ASTRONOMICAL. Imagine casting a 6/6 beater, Xenagos doubles it to 12, they attempt to remove it, since it was going to die anyways, you sacrifice it to the "greater good" in order to draw 12 and discard 3. This doesn't include the fact that you can berserk your own creature prior to sacrificing it as well
Rancor - Nice to have, not necessary. Makes your 1/1 dorks 6 power with Xenagos, makes your beaters better. Hell, enchant it on an opponent's creature for politics
Sylvan Library - Nice to have, not necessary, but in Xenagos, it pays to have draw that isn't creature reliant.
Green Sun's Zenith - Tutor to the battlefield, yes please! While limited to green, it still is worth it. Getting what you need, when you need it.
Harmonize - Draw not based on creatures is nice to have
Life's Legacy - Similar to momentous fall, although easier to cast on the same turn as a beater. Do note that it suffers from the same issue as momentous fall, sacrificing as an additional cost to cast means be wary of the blue player. I like it, but some don't
Nissa's Pilgrimage - Ramp, more Turn 3 ramp enables a more consistent Turn 4 Xenagos. While we would love a Turn 3 Xenagos, the choice is between consistency or early on advantage, I choose consistency, but to each their own.
Skyshroud Claim - Gets 2 forests (note some cards are both forests and mountains) and brings them in untapped, so it helps with tempo, something Xenagos decks greatly lack. Would add this over nissa's pilgramage, although I like both if you can fit them
Ancient Tomb - Ramp
Bonders' Enclave - Draw
Turntimber, Serpentine Wood - Land when you need it, a potential creature when you don't. I like the flexibility for 3 life
Yavimaya Hollow - Most useful but most expensive, protecting your creature from removal is what this deck needs.
Elder Gargaroth - Will almost always be draw, but I love the utility
Inferno Titan - Removal
I couldn't suggest more than what's allowed by tappedout, but let me know what you think of each suggestion. If you want ideas for cuts, lmk
9 months ago
Profet93 thanks for the suggestions much appreciated.
Out of those I will consider to add the following:
Raging Ravine - in case of no creature on the board and only with Xenagos this is 7/7 for 4mana.
Greater Good - for some reason I always thought it to be a sorcery. That for sure can be a great draw engine.
Berserk - can be a good finisher, if I find it for lower price.
Deflecting Swat - seems sweet but quite situational. Same as above might include if I find it for lower price.
Return of the Wildspeaker - I have it in the deck already, was one of the latest changes I've made to the deck.
The Great Henge - Got one copy of it in a different deck, sadly (thought expectable.) it spiked it price, I won't be getting another one for that price.. but it sure is a great card.
I would gladly hear any of your creature suggestions. Thank you.
9 months ago
Without discussing creatures...
Ancient Tomb > Temple of false. Out of budget, not needed, but nice to have
Yavimaya Hollow - See above
Castle Garenbrig - Ramp
Dread Statuary - Manland used for drawspells
Raging Ravine - See above
Reliquary Tower - Utility
Skyshroud Claim - Ramp that provides tempo needed in Xenagos
Harmonize - Draw, not the best, not the worst. I like it personally
Green Sun's Zenith - Since many of your dragons are green, not needed but nice
If you listen to any suggestion of mine, this is it, hands down, most important card in a Xenagos deck.... Greater Good - It provides you with draw and a reward for when your big creatures inevitably get removed
Rancor - Nice but not needed, think with Selvala to add lots of mana, with a dork to get 6 power trample. Can even give to an opponent's creature for politics.
Beast Within - Removal
Berserk - Finisher with a huge beater, nice to use on opponent's creature/commanders as well. Never underestimate instant speed interaction (see above)
Deflecting Swat - Counter counterspells, redirect targetted removal, draw, extra turns, etc.... for free. Not needed but VERY nice to have. Bluffing interaction while tapped out!
Momentous Fall - Might not be the best, but has saved my ass countless times. You need a way to maintain card draw in Xenagos
Return of the Wildspeaker - See above
The Great Henge - Draw, ramp, lifegain for cheap
9 months ago
At Nava's request i'm posting suggested changes, additions, cuts, and my thoughts on them. She requested that I not stick to only budget, but keep the max single card value under $30 (I kept it under $20 for the most part and largely even lower than that). As such, here are my thoughts and recommendations.
Courser of Kruphix- Ramp, pulls cards off the top of your deck so you are more likely to draw useful cards and just directly drop your lands onto the battlefield
Living Lightning- a useful elemental that allows you to recast your instants/sorceries
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar- A very powerful card that also allows you to bounce your lands so you can replay them for more effects
Nyxbloom Ancient- Triple mana on an elemental.
Overgrowth Elemental- A useful elemental that pumps your creatures and gains you life.
Ramunap Excavator- Replay your sacrificed and destroyed lands. Fantastic in a lands deck. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Roil Elemental- A fantastic landfall ability that allows you to grab key pieces from your opponents and use them against each other
Seedborn Muse take full advantage of your lands and abilities without worrying about being tapped out
Titania, Protector of Argoth- land recursion, elemental generation.
World Shaper- land recursion
Birds of Paradise- One of the best dorks in the game
Sylvan Caryatid- Fantastic dork
Brighthearth Banneret- You are a lands deck. You have more than enough mana and this simply doesn't do enough for you.
Chandra's Embercat- This will be a recurring comment from me. You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Embodiment of Insight- Too expensive for the effect. Also, personally I don't like turning lands into creatures as it makes them incredibly vulnerable without giving enough benefit.
Embodiment of Spring- Too expensive and not nearly good enough.
Generator Servant- The haste isn't important enough for your creatures as you very rarely have anything massive enough or has a useful enough tap effect that is being cast from your hand to require it. Furthermore, you are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Grove Rumbler- This card is terrible. Four for a 3/3 trample that has an effect that will pump it slightly for one turn. This is awful. It feels like this card was only put in due to it being an elemental.
Lavakin Brawler- Rarely do you ever have enough elementals out for this to be worthwhile. Not that it's terrible, but there are so many better cards that can be put in its place.
Parcelbeast- Doesn't get enough value to justify the slot
Smokebraider- You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Tireless Tracker- This has nothing to do with your deck and you're better off finding other draw engines
Surrak Dragonclaw- No synergy with the deck and not nearly good enough to justify the high mana cost.
Field of the Dead
Bring your land count to 38 or so
Coral Atoll- This is terrible. I know you're going for the bounce effect, but this is far worse for several reasons. Firstly, it only gives you blue mana as opposed to multicolored. Secondly, it requires specifically an island to be returned as opposed to any land that you can then take advantage of. And thirdly, it requires the land to be untapped which means that not only does it come in tapped, but it requires an untapped island which means you can't even use that land and then return it for value. This is awful. I don't love the bounce lands either, but I understand what you're going for and their value. This has neither.
Lumbering Falls, Raging Ravine, Wandering Fumarole- These man lands are in here entirely because they can become elementals, but really aren't worth running. They are come in tapped, cannot be fetched, and cost 4 mana to turn into a creature, largely negating any benefit. They're really bad and I highly recommend cutting them for more basics.
Unclaimed Territory- Not really worth the value. It's colorless more often than not and another basic land will give you more value than that more often.
Mana Vault- Nava already owns a copy of this in her Nekusar deck, so it can be added here without issue.
Strionic Resonator- Copy all of your ETB triggers, as well as any other triggered abilities. Fantastic
Chaos Warp- Removal on your own pieces or an opponents. Bypasses indestructible and often is allowed through without being counterspelled due to the fact that it's usually replacing a piece that people agree is a fair target rather than outright destroying or removing without replacing. A fantastic card overall
Constant Mists- Great protection when you need it, plus it can be bought back if needed. Lands can be recovered through multiple means.
Disallow- A must have for counterspells. It covers all possible basis and is fantastic.
Heroic Intervention- Hexproof and indestructible at instant speed for 2. Amazing.
Krosan Grip- Split second artifact/enchantment destruction. Among the best removal for them there is.
Force of Vigor- Free artifact/enchantment removal with multiple targets.
Swan Song- 1 drop counterspell that hits everything but creatures. A great counterspell to have on hand.
Counterspell- There are better cards to replace this with that are still very cheap/budget and are overall better
Growth Spiral- A decent card but we can do better given the range of cards available in commander
Inspiring Call- See Growth Spiral
Return to Nature- There are so many better versions of this for an equal if not lesser cost. Or, for one more there are better cards which I will be recommending.
Struggle / Survive- Too limited, not enough value, not powerful enough.
Tale's End- This is just a bad version of disallow that very rarely gets any value.
Withstand Death- This is a bad version of other similar cards.
Wrap in Vigor- Very rarely do mass destruction effects happen, and when they do the usually say "cannot be regenerated". This seems really good but i've never really seen it get any value and will typically be a dead card most of the time.
Genesis Wave- Drop all the permanents (lands included) that you can afford.
Life from the Loam- pull lands from your graveyard and keep your engine going without running out. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Nature's Lore, Three Visits- Pull forests (basic and non-basic that are forests) from your deck. Very helpful at any time.
Scapeshift- Grab all the lands you want, plus trigger your landfall and other such triggers
Splendid Reclamation- Pull all the lands from your graveyard. Nuff said.
Tempt with Discovery- If one person takes it then it's a better Explosive Vegetation. If more then it's an amazing card, but even if no one else does you get to pick your land and in a lands deck you will get more value.
Windfall- Refills your hand, interferes with opponent's plans, dumps lands in graveyard for later use.
Ground Assault- very limited and not worth running. There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Hull Breach- There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Quasiduplicate- no real apparent benefit to this over other cards that can more directly further your end goal.
Sylvan Awakening- I don't recommend turning your lands into creatures, especially enmass. It's just asking for all your lands to be mass removed. Very dangerous and will rarely get the payoff you need. Limited and will be a dead card in hand except in very specific scenarios.
Burgeoning- land Acceleration
Trade Routes- Bounce lands for more triggers and value, and in a pinch you can pitch them for more cards. Mana swamped becomes a thing of the past.
Exploration- Land acceleration
Domri, Anarch of Bolas- It seems like the main reason this is being run is for the +1 ability, which is really not worth running a card like this for. Not enough value.
Nissa, Steward of Elements- Without a large number of counters on her she gets minimal value, and if you do pay enough mana to make her viable there are already better cards you can run for those costs.
Eternal Witness- Unless you find your creatures or important cards dead often, or have a real way to take advantage of the cards in your graveyard, this is unnecessary and doesn't do enough for the deck.
Fertilid- A decent card but i've never found it gets enough value for the cost. it's a minimum of 5 mana for 1 basic land. You need to do this at least 3 or 4 times to really get enough value to be worth running over a land fetch.
Leafkin Druid- This is okay as a dork and an elemental, but I've found with tribal decks that you are better off running other creature and card types that better fuel your deck as a whole and really allow the tribe to shine, rather than forcing the tribe everywhere.
Tectonic Giant- Not good enough.
Animar, Soul of Elements- Unnecessary.
Zendikar Resurgent- Largely unnecessary due to the high number of lands in the deck, but can be kept if you feel it worthwhile
Frontier Bivouac- decent but comes in tapped and cannot be fetched. In a lands deck you will rarely be hurting for colors and the fact that this comes in tapped slows you down.
Simic Growth Chamber, Izzet Boilerworks, Gruul Turf- While I see what you are going for with these, they overall do slow you down and you have enough lands (once you bump up to 38 or so) that you shouldn't have any issue with them. I'd swamp these for basics as you have far more ways to grab those.
1 year ago
You described almost every Xenagos deck, mine included. You hit it right on the head.
As you said, we either have it or we don't. With no way to tutor card draw, adding more helps increase the odds of maintaining gas
Lifeblood Hydra - Not necessary but always welcome on X = 3 or more. Even if they destroy it, you still get value, has built in evasion and has a high ceiling.
Life's Legacy - If blue is too prevalent in your meta, ignore this suggestion
Momentous Fall - Similar to above, but would still put in despite blue, and despite the fact that its hard to have 4 mana after casting a beater. But similar to rishkar's expertise, I argue the potential card draw is worth the risk. You usually use this in response to opponent's removal
Bonders' Enclave - Never hurts, coudl replace a fetch land possibly
Elder Gargaroth - Makes beasts for blockers/draw spells, draws cards and gains life in a pinch.
Harmonize - Reliable draw
Selvala, Heart of the Wilds - Ramp on steroids
Ancient Tomb - Ramp for T3 Commander
Turntimber, Serpentine Wood - A better See the Unwritten
Berserk - Don't worry, malignus doesn't have trample. Bonus points if you use it on Selvala or on an opponent's creature who is attacking another opponent.
Yavimaya Hollow - Protection
Reliquary Tower - For when you draw 10+ cards
Be sure to lmk what you think of each suggestion. Some will work better for you than others. I see you run some dorks so I know you don't want too many nonbasics, but with all the ramp in Xenagos, I think we can be a little greedy. If you can't find room, I have ideas for cuts.