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Land — Island Swamp
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Sunken Hollow enters the battlefield tapped unless you control two or more basic lands.
1 week ago
Try this to speed up a little.
-3 Ulamog's Crusher \ +3 Sludge Crawler.
-6 Wastes \ +2 Sanctum of Ugin +4 Sunken Hollow.
I believe those cards are all from your chosen expansion, and should help colour fix your early game a little.
4 weeks ago
Hey, you've moved on from snow :) Nice version on budget, interesting strategy of proliferate. Unique combination of Muldrotha with Elementals and proliferate.
Consider less basic Forests? Get more green sources from budget dual lands to help color fixing? Command Tower is a staple land in Commander for multicolored decks. Exotic Orchard in multiplayer Commander will rarely not make the color of mana you need. Path of Ancestry is a Tri land that also provides repeatable scry when used to cast an Elemental.
The Pain lands ETB untapped and in my opinion they're among the best budget dual lands in Commander. Wastes and River have just been reprinted in the latest Standard set Brother's War.
Even cutting some basic Forests for dual lands you'll still have many basic lands therefore consider some dual lands that care about basic lands? The Snarls care about basic Forest in hand and you'll have many of them.
These are staple budget mana rocks in Commander. Sol Ring can be really helpful to cast Muldrotha.
Improving color fixing from lands can also help to cast the five drop budget Cavalier Elementals who have nice ETB trigger and die trigger, that's good with Muldrotha. Cavalier of Night is also a sac source to sac a creature you control to cast it again with Muldrotha.
These are excellent budget cards with Muldrotha and have synergy. The creature you get with Neoform ETB with a counter, ready for proliferate. Jarad's Orders can tutor for Witness and another creature.
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Hey, well done, nice reprint choices of Crux, Restraint, Crawlspace, Voyage, Iymrith, Astral, Propaganda, Sea Gate, but you forgot Command Tower. Tower could replace Gateway Plaza which is a terrible land. Interesting clone sub theme, not sure it's needed here, but Reflections of Littjara is a good budget tribal card for cloning.
Consider choosing only one of Collective Restraint or Koskun Falls? Both have high prices for a precon, they're similar cards and either one hasn't been reprinted before. Quicksilver Amulet needs a reprint and it goes with the idea of tutoring for Dragons then cheating mana costs.
Kindred Discovery is another option, it's an excellent tribal card and Dragons can consistently do combat damage to players. Maskwood Nexus lets Sivitri tutor for any creature and all your creatures survive Crux. Revenge of Ravens can be a good budget prison card.
Dragon's Hoard is good mana rock for Dragons. Talisman of Dominance has been reprinted in many current Dimir precons, might as well add it here too. Dark Ritual is more ramp to potentially get a quick Sivitri. Dragonlord Silumgar, Juvenile Mist Dragon, Steel Hellkite are some Dragon upgrades especially Silumgar and Hellkite can destroy nonland permanents which is helpful in Dimir.
Brainstorm, Night's Whisper and Read the Bones are nice budget draw spells. Nameless Inversion is a removal spell that Sivitri can tutor for. Hero's Downfall is now only $0.25. Swiftfoot Boots is haste and protection for Dragon you tutor for.
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Hey, nice version so far for well under $100.
40 lands is a lot, consider cutting some for some more low mana cost ramp for five colors to help gameplay?
- Manaweft Sliver --> Cabaretti Courtyard
- Sol Ring --> Traveler's Amulet
- Fellwar Stone --> Obscura Storefront
- Commander's Sphere --> Maestros Theater
- Unclaimed Territory --> 1x Forest
Unclaimed Territory is a helpful land when playing so many different colored Slivers and it enters the battlefield untapped.
- Yavimaya Coast --> 1x Forest
- Shivan Reef --> 1x Mountain
- Karplusan Forest --> 1x Forest
- Caves of Koilos --> 1x Plains
- Adarkar Wastes --> 1x Plains
- Sulfurous Springs --> 1x Mountain
Some of the Pain lands got reprinted in the newest set Dominaria United and those lands are down to $2 or less each right now. Pain lands enter the battlefield untapped to make colorless or colored mana to speed up gameplay. By replacing some basic lands with more dual lands that can enter the battlefield untapped that can make the color of the basic land it replaced or another color this can improve gameplay as well as color fixing.
- Farseek --> Rampant Growth
- Cinder Glade --> 1x Forest
- Canopy Vista --> 1x Plains
- Sunken Hollow --> 1x Island
The Tango lands are other budget lands that care about basic lands. These lands are good with Farseek, land ramp that can better color fix.
After these land changes, example upgraded budget 36 land five color manabase (20 G, 17 W, 17 R, 15 U, 14 B):
- 4x Forest
- 4x Plains
- 3x Mountain
- 2x Swamp
- 1x Island
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Path of Ancestry
- Unclaimed Territory
- Evolving Wilds
- Terramorphic Expanse
- Frontier Bivouac
- Jungle Shrine
- Mystic Monastery
- Opulent Palace
- Sandsteppe Citadel
- Savage Lands
- Seaside Citadel
- Yavimaya Coast
- Shivan Reef
- Karplusan Forest
- Caves of Koilos
- Adarkar Wastes
- Sulfurous Springs
- Cinder Glade
- Canopy Vista
- Sunken Hollow
This advice was just about improving the manabase and ramp, if you're interested I offer more advice on other areas. Would you like more advice?
Good luck with your deck.
tayzillamane on Oona
4 months ago
So I actually did an order the day before you commented and luckily for me a lot of your suggestions are in my order.
I’ve been really contemplating making Mirko Vosk my commander due to the lack of red but I really wanted Xander to work.
7 months ago
Hey Spirits, sounds like your games went well!
To add to your last comment, Mystic Sanctuary only triggers if you have 3+ other islands, so it's probably not worth it with a Tainted Pact mana base. Also, in my past couple games I've had issues with Sunken Hollow coming in tapped, so I think I'll replace it with City of Brass like you mentioned.
You're right about Thousand-Faced Shadow, it's been treating me very well so far.
Wash Away isn't bad, but there's just so many good counterspells in edh I don't think it makes the top 10-ish that we would want to run.
I'm currently trying 32 lands, and it's felt good so far. But I tend to run 1-2 more lands than most lists I've seen, so I think 30 is a good number too.
As for the extra turn spells, I don't have a sure-fire way to win other than tutoring Draco/Blinkmoth Infusion on top if my opponents are low enough. But I've found that the 2-3 extra Yuriko triggers you get by taking an extra turn put you very far ahead, even if the damage isn't enough to be lethal.
8 months ago
I too want to add to this my confusion. The theory that the two different wedges for the same colour differentiate between tapped and untapped seems to follow through 90% of the time, but in my Circu, Dexile Lobotomist deck -for example- the card Fetid Pools is counted among the untapped lands, while Sunken Hollow is counted among the tapped lands. I get why a card like Watery Grave or Morphic Pool would be counted among untapped lands, because they do have the ability to enter untapped, even if they don't always do so, but Fetid Pools has no way of entering untapped, and Sunken Hollow does, so why are they in their respective wedges?
8 months ago
Hey @Spirits, sorry for taking so long to get back to you! You asked such detailed questions, so I wanted to make sure I had time to write out detailed answers :D
Like you said, just a budget consideration. Yuriko is my pet deck so I don’t use any proxies, but I highly encourage it for others! While the bounce effect of Karn's Temporal Sundering is nice, I’m thinking of replacing it with Time Warp or just cutting it altogether for Treasure Cruise.
Since I don’t have any combos, I’m all in on the Yuriko damage plan. So having an enabler at all times is much more crucial for me, which is why I play 15 of them. Comparing my list to others, it seems 15 is on the higher end, so you could probably get away with cutting a couple. You’re correct about Tormented Soul, it can’t be pitched to Force of Will, as well as the mana base being more blue-heavy. As for the flying enablers, they’re included for redundancy (since there aren’t 15 unblockable 1-drops). It’s pretty rare for every opponent to have a flying/reach blocker, and we don’t really care who we attack, so flying does a pretty good impression of unblockable. Plus, many of them have relevant abilities, especially Faerie Seer’s scry 2 and Wingcrafter which can give Yuriko flying. If you’re mainly trying to win with combo, I wouldn’t play any of the 2 mana enablers except Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive. But don’t underestimate Augury Owl in the “winning with big spells” shell!
I haven’t tried him out yet, so I’m also unsure whether he makes the cut. Normally I wouldn’t consider playing a planeswalker, since we’re not very good at blocking to keep them around for longer than one turn. But with Kaito, we’re guaranteed 2 activations since he phases out eot, so I think he’s worth testing out for sure.
I think the wincons you described are all totally viable. Most of the cEDH Yuriko lists win with Thassa's Oracle + Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact since it’s only 2 cards and 3-4 mana (and tough to interact with outside of counterspells). Doomsday is significantly weaker than fish-consul, but its also a reasonable win-con. It’s convenient that cards that would go in the doomsday pile such as Gitaxian Probe and Street Wraith are already good cards for the deck anyway. When I first built this deck, I didn’t include doomsday for power level considerations. Now, I doubt doomsday would be too powerful for my playgroup to handle, but I decided to leave it out since I prefer to win with Yuriko’s ability.
Scheming symmetry is pretty much my budget replacement for Imperial Seal until we get a reprint. It’s true that you can do some cute plays with Nashi, Moon Sage's Scion or Fallen Shinobi. But most of the time, I save it until someone is below 16 life, choose them to tutor with me, put Draco on top of my library, and eliminate them before they can use the card they grabbed.
I’m a big fan of Mutavault since it allows me to rebuild a turn earlier after a boardwipe, or just to have an extra ninja that usually goes unnoticed by your opponents. Unfortunately, colourless lands are really, really awkward in this deck, so I wouldn’t play more than 1 or 2 at the most.
Drowned Catacomb, etc.
Since I’m currently playing 10 basics, I usually don’t have any problems with Drowned Catacomb and Sunken Hollow entering tapped. As for Mystic Sanctuary, it definitely sucks when you draw it and have to play it as a tapped island. But, imo it makes up for it in the late game when you can grab it with a fetch land and put an expensive spell on top of your library in response to a Yuriko trigger. If you’re including Tainted Pact, or just playing less basics in general, I would definitely cut those lands for City of Brass or River of Tears, like you mentioned.
I touched on this a bit in the Mutavault discussion, but you definitely want to stay away from colourless lands as much as possible. Although Ancient Tomb and Gemstone Caverns are really powerful lands in a vacuum, the early mana they provide isn’t worth it imo. I definitely agree with you that Reliquary Tower is a trap. I wouldn’t play it in very many decks in general, especially not in Yuriko. As for Glacial Chasm and Maze of Ith, they aren’t played enough in my playgroup for me to need an answer for them. But if they did become more popular, my plan would likely be to cut Mutavault and include Strip Mine/Wasteland instead.
I hope everything I explained made sense and was helpful to ya! Don’t hesitate to ask me more questions!