Land — Island Swamp
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Sunken Hollow enters the battlefield tapped unless you control two or more basic lands.
|Have (2)||metalmagic , gildan_bladeborn|
|Want (4)||DarkKnifer , tloor27 , bychang93 , io4nnis|
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|Commander 2019 (C19)||Rare|
|Zendikar Expeditions (EXP)||Mythic Rare|
|Battle for Zendikar (BFZ)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Sunken Hollow occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.08%
UB (Dimir): 2.49%
WUB (Esper): 0.71%
UBR (Grixis): 0.86%
BUG (Sultai): 0.66%
Sunken Hollow Discussion
2 weeks ago
It really depends on your meta and your budget. However for now i'll try to list some cards that i really like in that type of deck.. In the creature compartment i would suggest Diregraf Colossus, Undead Warchief, maybe Death Baron, Cryptbreaker, the obvious Gravecrawler, Sidisi, Undead Vizier and Lich Lord of Unx. For card draw i would add Graveborn Muse or Midnight Reaper. Soulless One can be a good card if you are on a budget. Grimgrin, Corpse-Born is a great card too as he gets really big and destroys your opponents' creatures fast.Zombie Master is good on its own in a tribal deck but becomes great with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth. More expensive cards are Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Ghoulcaller Gisa; if i had to pick i would choose the first. Also Grave Titan can get you a lot of tokens.
Enchantments: Grave Pact for removal, Phyrexian Arena/Kindred Discovery/Rhystic Study and the great and cheap Monastery Siege for card draw, Black Market for ramp, Rooftop Storm enables a lot of Gravecrawler combos, Paradox Haze doubles your commander's effect while Training Grounds makes his second effect cheaper.
Artifacts: Phyrexian Altar for the gravecrawler combo, i love in this deck Bontu's Monument, Door of Destinies/Vanquisher's Banner/Coat of Arms because you are going for a tribal deck (and why not Herald's Horn. Illusionist's Bracers doubles the scarab's firs ability.
PW: Liliana, Untouched By Death does everything you want in a Scarab god deck.
The problem with your deck in my opinion is that even if you play cards with some synergy because of the zombie tribal element and some way to double your commander's drain ability there are a lot of cards that do not enough for you here. Remember that playing a deck that is a constant menace to your opponents gets you a big target on your head. To be more specific with my suggestions i need to know your budget, your meta and the path you want to take with this deck. Also there are too little cards in the removal compartment, in the draw compartment and in the mana base fixing compartment.
2 weeks ago
Hey, nice start, welcome to Commander and TappedOut :)
You can't play 2x Plague Wight in a Commander deck. Can only play 1x of every card except basic lands. The Scarab God is a powerful card as Commander General and at $30 it's not a budget card so it's great that you have it to make your first deck with.
Commander's Quarters has good overall ideas for decks, but best to not use the manabases they provide as good examples of manabases. Quarters makes budget decks, but it's deceiving because the manabases that they use are terrible since they don't allocate any of the budget for lands. Manabases are an afterthought in decks Quarters makes which is not good when the majority of people that view their content are new players who need guidance in how to best play Commander on a budget. Manabases are just as important in Commander then what creatures or other spells you play because you can't cast those cards if you don't have the right mana.
29x basic lands is fine for a one color deck, but when you're playing a second color you need more dual lands that make both colors that way you don't get color screwed having only one color of lands, but cards in your hand are the other color. As you play more Commander you will see that the majority of expense of a deck comes from the manabase because good lands in Magic are damn expensive. Most lands are expensive price, but there's still budget lands that are good such as Command Tower which is $1 and is one of the best, if not the best land, for multicolored decks in Commander.
Lands to consider adding:
- Command Tower
- Sunken Hollow
- Fetid Pools
- Tainted Isle
- Choked Estuary
- Darkwater Catacombs
- Esper Panorama
- Dimir Aqueduct
- Temple of Deceit
- Evolving Wilds
Other budget cards to consider adding (ordered by importance/price lowest ($1 or less) to highest ($3)):
- Diregraf Captain
- Lord of the Accursed
- Undead Augur
- Dreadhorde Invasion
- Mausoleum Secrets
- Carrion Feeder
- Dark Ritual
- Gleaming Overseer
- Rooftop Storm
- Dimir Signet
- Death Baron
- Cemetery Reaper
- Midnight Reaper
- Graveborn Muse
- Dread Wanderer
- Buried Alive
- Fleshbag Marauder
- Ransack the Lab
- Final Parting
Other than Scarab God you only need a few budget blue Zombies and a few other budget blue cards, you don't need very much blue because the majority of Zombies are all black. Budget blue Zombies that are worth including are Diregraf Captain and Gleaming Overseer, that's it. Other budget blue cards that are worth including are Rooftop Storm, Countersquall, Negate and Wonder.
Because of the land situation not being ideal then consider cutting all cards with double blue mana costs? Cards with single blue and double black are fine, but double blue is too difficult to make with so many Swamps. Cards such as Pondering Mage, Curse of the Swine, Didn't Say Please could be cut.
Lords help to make your Zombies bigger by increasing their power/toughness (anthem) or giving them all other abilities. The four budget Lords (Captain, Accursed, Baron and Cemetery) are a good place to start to make upgrades. Captain and Lord are each $1 or less making them excellent first upgrades on a budget. Captain, Undead and Midnight are Zombies who give you value when your Zombies die and your Zombies are going to die especially from board wipes.
Buried, Ransack and Parting help to put creatures into your graveyard to use Scarab's activated ability with. Buried and Parting can tutor for and put Wonder into your graveyard which can be a win condition with Zombies giving them all flying. Parting can do both for Wonder, putting it into your graveyard and tutoring for an Island if you need it to activate it.
I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
2 weeks ago
Hey, Persistent Petitioners with Ashiok, Dream Render and Planar Void make a deadly combination for mill. Ashiok is good because for one loyalty he can exile all your opponents graveyards and you can do this up to 5 times. Mill is risky as a main strategy in multiple player Commander because graveyards are a huge resource for most decks; an extensive of an opponents hand. Exiling graveyards means opponents can't use graveyards as a resource after you mill them. Void exiles any card that's put into a graveyard, this includes your own cards, but this hurts your opponents much more than you because of mill.
You can have any number of Petitioners in your deck and they're two drops with 3 toughness. Tapping four Petitioners makes an opponent mill 12 cards. This is a good backup plan for Phenax who will not always be on the battlefield to mill your opponents. You can tap four Petitioners even if some of the them have summoning sickness which can speed up the mill of your opponents. 20x Petitioners is $20 which is budget, Ashiok is $2 and Void is less than $1.
Command Tower, Sunken Hollow, Darkwater Catacombs, Esper Panorama, Grixis Panorama, Ash Barrens are budget land upgrades to consider. Nephalia Drownyard is repeatable mill from a land that less than $1.
Good luck with your deck.
Rasaru on Dimir mill
4 weeks ago
This first thing I want to say is don't get discouraged. A lot of people underestimate the mill mechanic. Sure, you'll have some bad games, but it makes winning soooo much better! For example, I played my Drawing Dead deck today against against my buddy, who ran his mono red dragon deck, and milled all 100 of his cards at the end of my turn 6.. Victory has never tasted so sweet!
Do you want to keep your deck in the Dimir family (black & blue)? If yes, then let's get started!
- We definitely need to upgrade your land base. Minus your basic land drops, everything else comes in tapped, which puts you at a huge disadvantage. That's almost 50% of your land drops. Upgrading a card like Dimir Guildgate, to a Sunken Hollow can give you an advantage. In this example, there is absolutely no downside. While your Dimir Guildgate will come in tapped no matter what, your Sunken Hollow has the potential to come in untapped, so you can use it immediately. I believe you can find these for about $1 each, at your local card shop. I'd also consider swapping your Dismal Backwater for something like Choked Estuary. While 1 life could make a difference, I bet you'd rather have that playable land more often. I think those come in around $2 ea. Simple fixes for about $8 bucks.
Are you familiar with how to play Dimir Aqueduct "efficiently"?
*NOTE- I wouldn't recommend purchasing any upgrades until you figure out what others upgrades you want! Your mana needs could change based on the other changes you make.
More to come! I need to head to bed!
1 month ago
1 month ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help.
Seasons Past + Demonic Tutor is a value engine with Tasigur. You already have Demonic which is great. For control, Past can alone fill your hand up with cards and Demonic can keep tutoring for Past. You have some control over what cards you recur with Past which is excellent with a control strategy. Past + Demonic is better with an infinite mana combo, but you don't need this combo to get excellent value from the two cards.
Speaking of infinite mana combos you already have Bloom Tender which is also great and if you enchant it with Freed from the Real this can be infinite mana since then Bloom can tap for at least two colors one of which is blue which can untap Tender with Freed netting you at least one mana each time you tap Tender.
Narset, Parter of Veils , Ashiok, Dream Render , Karn, the Great Creator is the trifecta of powerful opponent disruptive Planeswalkers who are great with control. Ashiok is especially good since it can be a repeatable source of self-mill to feed Tasigur and shutting down your opponents from using most tutors is very controlling in Commander. Flux Channeler with all the noncreature spells can proliferate these Planeswalkers which is worth it.
Nezahal, Primal Tide is a fantastic finisher creature for control with Tasigur especially in multiplayer Commander. Discarding cards to protect Nezahal is good with Tasigur. Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is more expensive price, but flash it in surprising your opponents or it's one of the best creatures to reanimate with Animate Dead . Animate can also reanimate an opponent creature which makes it very versatile for two drop reanimation in multiplayer Commander.
Deathrite Shaman is a good control creature in multiplayer Commander. Repeatable exile of your opponents or your own cards for value. Runic Armasaur can give you repeatable draw just by being on the battlefield and it has fat toughness which is good as a blocker. Blood Artist can alone shut down an opponent infinite creature combo. Gives you value when a board wipe happens since Artist triggers when any creature including himself dies. A source of repeatable life gain can be helpful.
The manabase is where you should really look for upgrades. The current manabase isn't for a $500 deck it's for a much lower budget deck. There's some good lands (Tower, Orchard, Coast), but most lands are subpar. Some lands within the budget to consider adding:
- more Forests
- Llanowar Wastes
- Underground River
- Ash Barrens
- Sunken Hollow
- Cephalid Coliseum
- Reliquary Tower
- Woodland Cemetery
- Hinterland Harbor
- Drowned Catacomb
- Twilight Mire
I offer more advice, good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
2 months ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help.
Good start here for your first Commander deck. The decklist is missing Marchesa, the Black Rose , no image of her card. To make her the official Commander of your deck then add her to the decklist in the editor with a CMDR tag.
1x Marchesa the Black Rose *CMDR*
Marchesa can benefit from a combo and that's why Sage of Fables is a card to consider adding. Sage combos with Wizards with persist and undying creatures because it removes the -1/-1 counter of persist by canceling the counter with a +1/+1 counter. Sage can also remove the +1/+1 counter from an undying creature allowing it to keep undying. If not using Sage with a combo then she can be a good source of repeatable draw by removing a +1/+1 counter from a creature.
This combo mills your opponents which puts creatures into their graveyards, then you steal those creatures with Puppeteer and attack your opponents with those creatures. Puppeteer can repeatedly steal opponents creatures from their graveyards, or gain control of them with Marchesa, or exile them after you attack with them. Since Puppeteer is a Wizard when it ETB (enters the battlefield) Sage can put a +1/+1 counter on it. When it dies it has persist, but it doesn't ETB with a -1/-1 counter instead it ETB with no counter since the +1/+1 counter that Sage puts on it cancels out the -1/-1 counter. This interaction lets you repeatedly sac Puppeteer and it repeatedly comes back onto the battlefield.
The Puppeteer combo with Sage doesn't require Marchesa, but with her on the battlefield you can potentially gain control of opponents creatures your stole with Puppeteer. This interaction works because you can sac your opponents creatures before your end step. Doing this means that each creature that's saced will not get exiled. The creatures that attacked the player with the highest life total get a +1/+1 counter thanks to dethrone; if they're saced after getting the counter they will return to the battlefield under your control.
Other budget dual lands to consider adding:
Cards to consider cutting:
- Vivid Crag
- Vivid Creek
- Vivid Marsh
- Crosis's Catacombs
- Visage of Bolas
- Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver
- Dark Privilege
- Portent of Betrayal
- Press into Service
- Slave of Bolas
- Yawgmoth's Vile Offering
Unless you have a way to put more counters on a Vivid land then they're not worth playing, too slow and not reliably enough. Cards that are a repeatable source of stealing your opponents creatures are better than cards that are a single effect. Five mana to steal one creature is too much mana if you're only getting to do it once. Because you have Nicol Bolas you don't also need to play the Deceiver since Deceiver is a much worse card. Good luck with your deck.