snbsl says... #1

Thanks for the tips! Deck is definately not ready and I hope to get my hands on Noxious Ghoul and Havengul Lich but where I live I so far haven't found those and ordering from elsewhere is pretty expensive. Still hoping to get those! Vampiric rites seems excellent choice and I also have to really think for Hordewing Skaab! And Dreadhorde invasion was one of the last cards I cut for this deck and is not totally out because it's cheap and repeatable.

September 30, 2021 9:57 p.m.

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Said on Landfall...

#1

Hey, nice version with a very low budget.

Some budget changes to consider:

Rampant Elephant is a white card which can't be played when green/red Omnath is your Commander. The majority of these suggestions are good repeatable draw sources. I think you can afford to cut a few lands for some lower CMC spells. 46 lands is still a lot.

If interested I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.

October 16, 2021 12:40 a.m.

Said on Mother of dragons...

#2

Hey, nice version so far.

You have only 91 cards of 100. Consider adding three more lands and these cards to get to 100?

Hellkite Charger combos with Old Gnawbone for as many extra attacks as you want. Crux of Fate can wreck all your opponents creatures and not yours. Temur Ascendancy is a haste enabler and repeatable draw whenever a Dragon you control ETB including when a Dragon token is created. Get Court of Bounty onto the battlefield before you cast Tiamat to accelerate being able to get Dragons you tutored for with Tiamat onto the battlefield. Bounty is also repeatable draw with the monarch which Dragons help you to keep the monarch and get it back if you lose it.

Faeburrow Elder and Dragon's Hoard are nice ramp for Dragons. Elder can tap to make two mana or up to five mana (one of each color if you control Tiamat). Hoard is also repeatable draw and counts when Dragon tokens are created. Exotic Orchard, Path of Ancestry and Haven of the Spirit Dragon are more five color lands that can add more color fixing for the manabase.

If interested I offer more advice in another comment. Would you like more advice? Good luck with your deck.

October 13, 2021 5:33 p.m. Edited.

Said on Equip/Aura Galea...

#3

Hey, you're welcome, nice update.

When you get down to 100 cards some further upgrades to consider are more cards that care about both equipment and auras such as Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist, Open the Armory, Sigarda's Aid, Armored Skyhunter, All That Glitters, Nettlecyst.

Ardenn, Aid and Skyhunter are other effects for free attaching equipment.

October 11, 2021 10:46 p.m. Edited.

Hey, well done with the upgrades of the precon. For less than $150 total deck price you've added Gravecrawler, Acererak, Stitcher, Blasting, Noxious, Belcher and Buried, that's impressive.

Vengeful Dead is another Zombie aristocrat as a win condition for the combos. Apprentice Necromancer can reanimate Stitcher on your last opponent's end step for one black mana to then on your next upkeep potentially flip into Factory. With Wilhelt when Necromancer dies it creates a Zombie token which might be the third token you need to flip into Factory.

I think you've cut down too many lands since 33 is a low number when the most important cards and interactions take a lot of mana. Consider cutting a few of the higher CMC cards to add a few more lands and some more ramp? Talisman of Dominance is in the precon and Mind Stone or Thought Vessel would give you two more low CMC ramp sources.

Esper Panorama can search for a basic Island or a basic Swamp. Mystic Sanctuary is an Island and it lets you recur an instant or sorcery to cast it again. Ice Tunnel is another Island dual land for Wonder.

Something the precon has is a lot of 5 CMC or higher cards and you haven't really changed this. The high end is very loaded in the precon and here with 22 cards that are 5 CMC or higher. You've added Noxious and Mob; these along with Rooftop, Apocalypse, Bidding, Parting, Hordewing, Harvester and Liliana are the better cards. Some of the others could be cut for more lands, ramp and instant protection.

You have very little instant interaction and no counterspell/other protection to protect from opponent exile effects as well as to protect the combo when you want to go off. Counterspell, Lazotep Plating and Arcane Denial would be helpful.


Some changes to consider:

Good luck with your deck.

October 11, 2021 6:23 p.m.

Said on Equip/Aura Galea...

#5

Hey, what you have so far is a strong start at upgrading the precon for your first deck, nice Hammer of Nazahn upgrade.

Currently you need to cut 24 cards to get to 100 cards. Some advice is start with cutting some lands because 43 lands is too much. Reduce it to 36 and if you think you need more mana then add more low converted mana cost (CMC) ramp sources or draw sources instead of lands.

Some lands to consider cutting:

All these lands always enter the battlefield (ETB) tapped and you have other lands that always do this too, but those other lands are better than these.


The next cuts to consider are some high CMC cards to reduce the mana curve.

Further cuts are some cards that are not as good as others here or have similar or the same effects.

Heirloom Blade and Reflections of Littjara are tribal cards that care about only one type of creature. That's not the strategy here since you have many different creature types. Skyclave Cleric  Flip and Tangled Florahedron  Flip are double face cards (DFC) that can be lands or played as the front face of the card and that can be helpful. The problem is the front face of the card is not worth playing even though they might be lands. Bala Ged Recovery  Flip is an example of a good DFC upgrade since front face is a good card and the bonus is that could be a land.

Suppression Field is a powerful card, but it affects equipment equip costs since that's an activated ability. Even if you control Puresteel Paladin with metalcraft activated you still have to pay 2 mana to equip the equipment to a creature you control. Puresteel will reduce the equip cost to 0, but then Field makes you pay an additional 2 mana to activate the equip ability. If an equipment is in your hand and you cast it or already on the battlefield you can't free equip if you control Field.

You have ways to get around having to pay for equip with attach. Difference is you're not equipping when you attach an equipment to a creature you control. The key word here is attach which bypasses the need to activate equip. You can free attach an equipment with Galea, Kindler of Hope, Halvar, God of Battle  Flip or Hammer of Nazahn. With Galea only if you cast an equipment from the top of your library, with Halvar only if the equipment is already equipped to another creature you control and with Hammer only if you cast the equipment or the equipment ETB. Free attach has synergy with Suppression Field, but the interaction is limited.

Good luck with your deck.

October 10, 2021 10:56 p.m.

Said on Vast of Vanity...

#6

Hey, good first version, nice Avacyn, Angel of Hope.

Having some backup plans to cheat big creatures onto the battlefield can be helpful because you will not always control Kaalia. Reanimation and ramp are two straight forward backup plans to consider expanding on.

  • Rakdos, Lord of Riots: Demon who can reduce the colorless cost of creatures you cast.
  • Emeria Shepherd: repeatable reanimate any nonland permanent in your graveyard if you play a Plains or if you play any land then put that permanent into your hand instead.
  • Karmic Guide: Angel who can reanimate any creature in your graveyard.
  • Nahiri, the Harbinger: all her loyalty abilities are good, her -8 can tutor for any creature and put it on the battlefield.
  • Wayfarer's Bauble: land ramp that has interaction with Emeria Shepherd since it can get a basic Plains, repeatable with Shepherd for two mana.

Some changes to consider:


Some other upgrades to consider:

Some lands to consider adding to improve the manabase in place of some basic lands, the three Bounce lands, Wreckage and the two Scry lands.

If you choose to add Emeria Shepherd then some Fetch lands that can get a basic Plains are helpful because they give you two triggers of landfall.

Good luck with your deck.

October 10, 2021 6:55 p.m.

Said on The Big Bad …...

#7

You're welcome. No reason to remove your deck from the budget category since any Commander deck less than $200 really is consider budget. Your deck is still budget especially the manabase since you're playing Gruul Guildgate and Rugged Highlands, etc.

Adding the expensive price Gruul dual lands (Stomping, Spire, Karplusan, Burnwillows, Fire-Lit, Cragcrown, Rootbound, Rockfall) would help to take your deck away from budget. Honestly, adding a few of the better Gruul lands for the price of Door of Destinies and Metallic Mimic would improve your deck more than what these cards would do.

Some advice if on a budget is don't completely neglect the manabase in favor of adding other expensive price cards. That's a balancing act to make and a question to ask yourself; "What expensive price cards are not needed as much as the others that could be cut so I can improve the manabase?"

The only reason to not play Coat of Arms over Door is if you're expecting other tribal decks, not just Werewolves, any tribal since Coat counts all players tribal creatures. Coat is a vastly superior anthem effect for tribal than Door since the turn you drop Coat your creatures are getting a potentially major anthem effect. In Gruul Shared Animosity is the closest budget similar effect to Coat for tribal and it only affects your attacking creatures.

October 6, 2021 5:25 p.m. Edited.

Hey, well done with the precon upgrade and very nice formated deck description. You're a good deck builder with the budget that you have, choosing the better expensive price cards (Demonic, Gravecrawler, Acererak, Cryptbreaker and Watery). If on a budget I don't think Tainted Adversary and Ebondeath, Dracolich are worth their prices.

You're very honest about the power level here, not exaggerating and saying power level 8 to make your deck seem better than it really is. Believe me, I hear this all the time, players insisting that the power level of their deck is very high while playing $100 deck with only 30 lands and Guildgates...

In the combo section of the description you don't mention Gravecrawler and it's a pretty important Zombie for combos especially with Rooftop. He needs a sac outlet with Rooftop to go infinite which all you need is Carrion Feeder. Gravecrawler is the most powerful Zombie printed because its just so damn mana efficient. He deserves his own section in the description since his interaction with Wilhert is excellent, giving you a Zombie on your turn to repeatedly sac at your end steps to draw and create a decayed Zombie for one mana.


You clearly have deck building skills, but there's some cards here that could be upgraded even on a budget. You've removed some of the better cards from the precon that can give you repeatable value especially more draw and Zombie tokens.

  • Undead Augur: very good Zombie since it triggers to draw whenever a Zombie token dies.
  • Midnight Reaper: another source or repeatable draw when nontokens die.

  • Gisa and Geralf: don't underestimate how valuable it is to be able repeatedly cast even one Zombie on your turn from your graveyard. Pair Augur with Gisa/Geralf and Wilhelt to repeatedly draw two cards/create a decayed Zombie on your turns for two mana. Pair Gisa/Geralf with Fleshbag Marauder and Wilhelt to repeatedly wreck your opponents creatures for three mana and create a decayed Zombie.

  • Fleshbag Marauder: making all opponents have to sac a creature they control is really good in multiplayer Commander especially on a three drop Zombie who can be recurred or reanimated.

  • Curse of the Restless Dead: you can curse yourself to have more control over this making it a repeatable Zombie source by playing lands. Honestly, this card is better than Endless Ranks of the Dead at consistency of creating Zombies since there's no lame restriction like Ranks has and you'll have lands.

  • Liliana, Death's Majesty: all her loyalty abilities are good especially her -7 which is not difficult to get to and in casual it can wreck, be a game winning effect.

Some changes to consider:


Poppet Stitcher  Flip is a powerful new card for Zombies and Poppet Factory is busted with Wilhert because it removes decayed from Zombies letting you repeatedly sac a decayed Zombie to create another. Fallen Ideal is an underrated gem in Commander with token strategies because it gives the enchanted creature flying and it's a sac outlet.

Enchant Wilhert and then sac your Zombie horde to attack for lethal Commander damage at an opponent. If you created a bunch of decayed Zombies potentially attack again for lethal Commander damage to another opponent on your next turn. Pair Ideal with Factory to attack for lethal Commander damage on your turn every turn.

Good luck with your deck.

October 5, 2021 11:54 p.m. Edited.

Said on The Big Bad …...

#9

Hey, well done on a budget for your first deck, nice Huntmaster of the Fells  Flip.

Some budget cards to consider adding:


Some cards to consider cutting:


Some budget land upgrades to consider:

Good luck with your deck.

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October 5, 2021 1:36 a.m.

Said on Sliver Beats...

#11

Hey, well done budget version of Silvers, nice Sliver Legion. You forgot Sol Ring.

Manaweft Sliver is another two drop mana Sliver. Shifting Sliver makes all your Slivers unblockable. Venom Sliver gives all deathtouch. These three Slivers could replace three of the higher CMC Slivers that have redundant effects. Blasphemous Act wrecks your opponents with Hivelord as Commander.


Consider more draw?

Wild Pair and Pyre of Heroes are powerful budget repeatable effects to tutor for and cheat Silvers on the battlefield.

Consider cutting a few of the lesser Slivers for more draw?


Nice Shock lands. On a budget you can do better than the Gain lands such as Blossoming Sands and Cycle lands such as Sheltered Thicket. Consider the Tango lands? Since there's 14 basic lands here.

Good luck with your deck.

October 5, 2021 1:22 a.m.

Hey, good attempt for a budget version of Tovolar. nice Aggravated Assault. You've mistakenly added two Tovolar's Huntmaster  Flip :)

The card that combos with Spellbinder is Savage Beating for extra attacks which is now a $30 card. Without having Beating then Spellbinder is not worth playing because there's only 5 instants here out of 94 other cards.

When you control five or more lands then Bear Umbra enchanted to a creature who can keep attacking can pair with Aggravated Assault for extra attacks. Attacking with five or more creatures makes Druids' Repository combo with Assault. Savage Ventmaw who can keep attacking combos with Assault and also makes infinite green/red mana. Umbra could replace Spellbinder, Repository could replace Mantle of the Wolf and Ventmaw could replace the other copy Huntmaster.


Consider more one, two, three drop Werewolves to replace the vanilla four and five drop Werewolves?

Some of these could replace:

A couple of reasons for these changes is to get three or more Werewolves onto the battlefield to transform Tovolar quicker and have more Werewolves that can give you value rather than just only being Werewolves.


Some lands to consider adding, replacing of some basic lands.

Good luck with your deck.

October 4, 2021 7:37 p.m.

Hey, interesting high budget version of Tovolar with less Werewolves.

Human Werewolves that don't have day/night still count towards and transform when Tovolar upkeep triggers. The better Werewolves not having day/night is not really a drawback with Tovolar. Because Tovolar can repeatedly change from day to night then you have more chances to transform nonday/night Werewolves. If you play a nonday/night Werewolf after Tovolar transforms that's fine because more than likely Tovolar will flip back daybound giving you another chance to transform all Human Werewolves you control at your upkeep.

If you want to play a small amount of Werewolves then the ones you play really should give you more than just being a Werewolf.

With such a high budget you can do better than the vanilla Werewolves who don't give you anything when they're Humans as well as when they nightbound transform? Many of the Wolves are also subpar compared to all other cards here. If you're playing the Wolves just to be able to upkeep trigger Tovolar faster any Human Werewolf will do the same thing and give you more than any of these Wolves.

Wolves and Werewolves to consider cutting:


Really nice Fetch lands, but consider playing a Forest/Mountain dual land to fetch: Stomping Ground, Cinder Glade, Sheltered Thicket? Adding these lands will also give Farseek a dual land to search for instead of only being able to search for a basic Mountain. Also by adding some Forest/Mountain dual lands then you could improve the land ramp spells with Nature's Lore and Three Visits.

Some changes to consider:

Some other lands that would improve the manabase by cutting some basic lands especially Mountains:

Arcane Signet could replace Herald's Horn since Horn doesn't do much if you're not tribal. With so few Werewolves or Humans as well as many different creature types then a mana rock would make more ramp.

Door of Destinies is another tribal only card and it's very slow with so few Werewolves or Humans to cast. Could cut Door for Beastmaster Ascension since it's an anthem for all creatures you control.

Good luck with your deck.

October 4, 2021 4:06 p.m. Edited.

Hey, you're welcome. Do you have many decks like this one? Or is this deck unusual of how you build decks?

October 4, 2021 1:31 p.m.

Said on Wilhelt & friends...

#15

Hey, you're welcome.

Noxious Ghoul is sold-out everywhere because of everyone upgrading their Wilhelt precon. Unfortunately, this means Noxious when more copies are for sale is no longer going to be a budget card for quite a long time until the hype of Wilhelt dies down. Same thing happened with Elves when Lathril, Blade of the Elves precon was released. Thankfully, Noxious is an uncommon card that's in Mystery Boosters and The List therefore more copies can be opened quicker than normal.

October 4, 2021 12:09 a.m.

Said on Zombie tribal...

#16

Hey, well done with upgrades to the precon. For being new to Magic you've added some really good cards. Nice stained glass Liliana :)

The Poppet Factory combo with Wilhelt for infinite Zombies with Diregraf Captain as the win condition needs a sac outlet. Grimgrin, Corpse-Born and Ashnod's Altar are good, but only two sac outlets for the combo isn't really enough. Carrion Feeder is a one drop Zombie.

Apprentice Necromancer can reanimate Poppet Stitcher  Flip at instant speed at the end step of your last opponent before your next upkeep. With Wilhelt when you sac Necromancer you create a Zombie token which could be the third token you need to flip into Factory. I'm not positive, but I think if Stitcher flips into Factory than you don't have to sac Factory at the end step Apprentice trigger because it's no longer a creature.

Carrion Feeder and Apprentice Necromancer could replace two of the higher CMC cards here to reduce the mana curve. Ruthless Deathfang and Overseer of the Damned are just not as good as the other 6 or 7 CMC cards namely Liliana, Rooftop, Titan, Dominance even Hex.


There's a few cards in the precon that were cut that you should consider adding back.

Dreadhorde Invasion creates a Zombie token for the cost of only 1 life at your upkeep to give you a constant source of a Zombie to sac with Wilhelt at your end step. Zombie Apocalypse is mass reanimation for Zombies, all Zombies in your graveyard.

Hordewing Skaab gives flying to all Zombies you control and it can also be repeatable loot (draw then discard). Midnight Reaper is another Zombie who draws when it dies as well as can be repeatable draw whenever any nontoken Zombie dies.

Eternal Skylord only gives flying to Zombie tokens, not giving flying to Wilhelt makes it lackluster. Cellar Door will miss more than hit since you don't have a way to control getting a creature to the bottom of your library or your opponents libraries. Paying three mana and having this miss is pretty bad. Cancel is not needed because you have three other much better counterspells.

Good luck with your deck.

October 3, 2021 7:22 p.m.

Hey, nice version with such a low budget. Only 40 cents or less for each card is an interesting idea.

Even though you're building a very low budget deck still consider some basic deck building guidelines to structure your deck? A basic structure is helpful when building any causal Commander deck to give you a good start.

The numbers in this basic structure are just a start, not all areas are covered and the final numbers may be more or less for each part. A basic structure doesn't need anything but the basics, you can add other cards to make up other areas that you want specifically with your Commander after. 10 ramp and 10 draw sources help to make a smoother gameplay experience. The balance of extra mana from ramp with the draw sources theoretically helps to have mana and cards in your hand to cast with the mana. Creatures can be part of the numbers and cards that have more than one effect that can go in many different areas are excellent and should be priority for cards to play.

Compare the above example to your current deck structure:

  • 33 lands
  • 26 creatures
  • 16 removal sources
  • 3 ramp sources
  • 1 draw source

The amount of creatures is a fine number, but there's disproportionate amount of removal compared to other areas. 33 lands with only 3 ramp sources, two of which are 4 CMC and 5 CMC are risky numbers because you can potentially get land screw (not drawing lands) as well as mana screwed (not having enough mana to cast spells). Having major potential for both of these to happen in a game can be really frustrating and is really bad for gameplay.

I believe you can never have enough draw in Commander since draw keeps the game going for you making gameplay much more fun. Harmonize is a good card, but only having it for draw is not enough.


Ghired and the other impactful cards here are high CMC and you want to get to five mana for Ghired quicker than only relying on your land drops. More ramp can help and the best ramp to add such as Sol Ring and Arcane Signet are budget cards. Unfortunately, they aren't 40 cents or less though, here's some to consider:

3 CMC or less ramp is preferred to have these plays in the early turns of the game which is best time to cast ramp since then it helps you to cast Ghired and all the other high CMC cards you want to cast later on in the game. You don't want to be casting 5 CMC or even 4 CMC ramp instead you want to use that amount of mana along with ramp that you cast before it to cast other more impactful spells.


Lots of draw especially repeatable draw sources are important to have in Commander. Unfortunately, because of the budget restriction for cards doesn't give you a lot of options, but here some to consider:

  • Garruk's Packleader: repeatable draw any time a 3 or more power creature you control ETB including creature tokens. Rhino's have 4 power.
  • Voice of Many
  • Zephyr Boots: repeatable draw, can also give equipped creature flying evasion.
  • Mouth / Feed: only can cast Mouth first to create a 3/3 Hippo then Feed can only be cast from your graveyard.
  • Mask of Memory: repeatable draw, equip any big creature you control who has evasion such as trample or flying.
  • Shamanic Revelation

Creatures who can draw are nice with Flamerush Rider to make a copy of them to then populate with Ghired. This interaction is very good with Garruk's Packleader since the more Packleaders you control the more draw you get especially when you populate a Rhino as well as each Packleader triggers to draw from the other. Three of these suggestions care about the amount of creatures you control which is good when playing tokens.

I've given you a lot to think about, but I offer more advice in another comment if you would like, including cuts to consider. Good luck with your deck.

October 3, 2021 4:25 p.m. Edited.

Said on Wilhelt & friends...

#18

Hey, nice upgrades of the precon on a budget.

Hordewing Skaab from the precon is good, giving all Zombies you control flying evasion and his repeatable loot is also underrated. Noxious Ghoul is a powerful budget card for Zombies especially when your Commander can create Zombie tokens. Reanimating Noxious can wreck opponents creatures because he counts himself and each other Zombie who ETB at the same time as him.

Dreadhorde Invasion is in the precon and it's a repeatable source of Zombie token for Wilhelt to sac at your end step. Because you have Ashnod's Altar then consider Havengul Lich? It's a combo with Rooftop Storm + Ashnod's to reanimate all Zombies in all graveyards. Reanimate Diregraf Captain as the win condition by then sacing + repeatedly reanimating any other Zombie.

Consider Vampiric Rites? It's a budget one drop repeatable sac outlet for repeatable draw/life gain for decayed Zombies to sac them at the end of combat step when their attacked for the turn trigger goes to the stack. In response to the trigger sac the Zombie with Rites.

Good luck with your deck.

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