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Fire-Lit Thicket Discussion
2 months ago
Also, I'm looking for opinions on where to steer this deck if anywhere. There are so many viable Beasts that it's been hard for me to make card choices. Then you have cards like Fierce Empath which could be useful. So, advice is more than welcome. Thanks! (If someone could guide me in how to format this into a list, that'd also be appreciated. Sorry for the current format.)
4 months ago
Hey, nice Cloudstone Curio :)
Dual lands that can ETB untapped are pretty important for color fixing with three color Animar to be able to cast him consistently turn three. Consider more dual lands in place of basic lands especially Mountains? Dual lands that can make green mana for a turn one green mana dork should be priority.
Some options within your budget to consider, ordered from less expensive to more:
- Yavimaya Coast
- Cragcrown Pathway Flip
- Karplusan Forest
- Barkchannel Pathway Flip
- Fire-Lit Thicket
- Rootbound Crag
- Riverglide Pathway Flip
- Sulfur Falls
- Flooded Grove
- Cascade Bluffs
- Training Center
- Rejuvenating Springs
- Steam Vents
20 basic lands is too much for three colors and you're not trying to take advantage of Blood Moon / Back to Basics . You want to be able to consistently cast a green one drop mana dork, but that's going to be a problem with almost the same number of Forests than Mountains and Islands. My advice is cut Mountains and Islands for dual lands that can make these colors.
Cut more Mountains than Islands because overall red is less important than blue. You really only need red for Animar thus let dual lands and other nonland sources provide red mana and not basic lands. The more Mountains you can cut for dual lands the more consistent getting green and blue will be while not sacrificing red.
Good luck with your deck.
4 months ago
Hey, I think you've nailed Gruul Elves with the budget that you have, well done.
There aren't a lot of reasons to want to play red with Elves, but you have them: Assault, Rhythm, Purphoros, Animosity and Bloodbraid. Blood Moon is also very powerful in Commander. Comet Storm can be a win condition with infinite green mana.
You could cut a few lands such as Valley, Tranquil, Landscape, Verge for some more low CMC ramp sources:
Some other changes to consider:
- Blood Moon --> Experimental Frenzy
- Staff of Domination --> Gilded Lotus
- Beastmaster Ascension --> Door of Destinies
- Elvish Warmaster --> Elvish Vanguard
- Toski, Bearer of Secrets --> Wildest Dreams
- Comet Storm --> Gaea's Herald
- Fire-Lit Thicket --> Temple of Abandon
Good luck with your deck.
5 months ago
Hey, good job winning with a budget deck.
Neoform is powerful when you can copy it to then tutor for and put two creatures onto the battlefield. It can setup two win conditions: sac a four drop to tutor for Kiki/Conscripts or sac a two drop to get Biovisionary/ Glasspool Mimic Flip. Eldritch Evolution is similar, but more expensive price and it gives you a little more control over what creatures you can tutor for. Evolution is a good way to tutor for Worldgorger by sacing a four drop letting you combo with Riku for five mana instead of eight. Shared Summons instant can tutor for two creatures or four creatures if copied.
The manabase is the main area to consider improvements as there's too many lands that will always ETB tapped. Riku is very color dependent therefore the Bounce lands help a lot for color fixing, but they should be some of the only lands that always ETB tapped since they have terrible interaction with lots of other lands that always ETB tapped. Bivouac and Path of Ancestry are the other lands to play that always ETB tapped since they're three colors. The Bounce lands have interaction with the Pathways and Pathways are some less expensive lands: Cragcrown Pathway Flip, Riverglide Pathway Flip and Barkchannel Pathway Flip. Barkchannel is less than $3 at TCGPlayer.
Exotic Orchard is good in multiplayer Commander. The Filter lands are the lowest prices they have been in a long time and they can help with color fixing: Fire-Lit Thicket , Flooded Grove and Cascade Bluffs . Shivan Reef , Yavimaya Coast , Cinder Glade , Sulfur Falls , Rootbound Crag are other less expensive land upgrades. Glade and Check lands have interaction with basic lands. Crop Rotation instant can help with color fixing since for three mana you can tutor for and put onto the battlefield any two lands.
Arcane Signet , Rattleclaw Mystic and Kiora's Follower are two drops that can ramp and color fix. Follower has interaction with Bounce lands since he can untap it the turn it's played or the Bounce land can make four mana.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Temple of the False God
- Gruul Guildgate
- Khalni Garden
- Rugged Highlands
- Temple of Abandon
- Temple of Epiphany
- Temple of Mystery
- Hamletback Goliath
- Wall of Runes
- Armory of Iroas
- Glimpse of Freedom
Good luck with your deck.
8 months ago
I haven't run this through any playtests, but at first glance, it seems to have a decent curve, some interaction / protection, and several anthem effects. Can you give more of an idea of what makes it feel like something's missing? Are you running into snags while playtesting?
Otherwise, just a couple general comments: I feel like Lambholt Elder Flip and Mondronen Shaman Flip are a bit weak. I'd replace them with a stronger creature (see below). And while I like the transformed side of Kruin Outlaw Flip giving menace to all your dudes, that double red worries me. Have you had trouble casting it on T3? I also don't know if I'm a fan of Instigator Gang Flip. Maybe I'd feel differently if I playtested it, but +1 to attackers seems low impact for 4 CMC. Sure, you get +3 at some point, but I'd evaluate it more on its front face.
If you were to cut any of those (potentially up to 9), here's some possible additions:
As a 4 CMC replacement for Instigator Gang, Nightpack Ambusher is both an offensive and defensive buff, and its flash speed allows it to be a combat trick as well as allowing you to better control which turn spells are played on for transform. Finally, it can generate you some bodies.
For similar reasons, Spirit of the Hunt can be a good 3 CMC replacement.
Speaking of 3 CMC, not a creature but Howlpack Resurgence is strong. Again with the flash, but in addition to the buff, you get trample, which can be really important in some matchups.
Speaking of trample, Waxing Moon is another way to get it. This might be better as a sideboard card, though, if you ever end up adding one.
And lastly, speaking of a sideboard, Silverfur Partisan might be good against certain matchups that want to one-for-one your creatures with kill/bounce effects. Full on hexproof would be better, but this at least makes the transaction more in your favor.
Finally, as an upgrade to the manabase, I'd replace Kazandu Refuge with one that doesn't enter tapped. Lots of options to choose from, but some of the better ones are Copperline Gorge, Fire-Lit Thicket (cheaper now thanks to its Double Masters reprint!), Grove of the Burnwillows, and of course Stomping Ground. Any of those could replace Karplusan Forest as well.
Hope some of this helps! +1 from me.
10 months ago
Hey, interesting version of Atla, that's a lot of creatures.
Consider cutting a few of the least good creatures for more early game ramp?
- Arcane Signet, Fellwar Stone, Wild Growth could replace Gruul Ragebeast, Thromok the Insatiable, Autochthon Wurm
Could also replace a few other big creatures for some enablers.
- Mirror Entity, Imperial Recruiter, Samut, Voice of Dissent could replace God-Eternal Rhonas, Archetype of Endurance, Impervious Greatwurm.
Nature's Lore and Farseek are land ramp spell upgrades for Explosive Vegetation and Cultivate because you have Savannah/Taiga/Garden/Ground and Farseek can get Plateau/Foundry. These two drop land ramp spells can be quicker ramp and they ramp with a dual land.
I don't think I've ever seen a manabase with Savannah/Taiga/Plateau, but also Guildgates... You could improve the manabase a lot. Some changes to consider:
- City of Brass and Exotic Orchard could replace Arctic Flats and Highland Weald.
- Fire-Lit Thicket, Rugged Prairie, Wooded Bastion could replace the three Guildgates.
- Brushland, Battlefield Forge, Karplusan Forest could replace Blossoming Sands, Graypelt Refuge, Shivan Oasis.
- Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills could replace Game Trail and Fortified Village.
Good luck with your deck.
11 months ago
Hey, some base numbers to consider when starting out a three color casual Temur deck:
- 36 lands: Command Tower, Exotic Orchard
- 12 ramp sources: Simic/Izzet/Gruul Signets, Farseek
- 10 draw sources: Brainstorm, Coiling Oracle
- 8 removal/counterspells: Nature's Claim, Counterspell
- 5 tutors: Shared Summons, Prime Speaker Vannifar
Of course these numbers can be increased or decreased as you build the deck, but this is a good starting point with some cards to consider adding.
Any creatures or instant/sorceries you play think of them has having two additional mana in their mana costs that way you can get value from Riku. This means more creatures and instant/sorceries that are lower mana cost such as Coiling Oracle and Growth Spiral. Oracle and Spiral for two mana can help to get to five or more mana to cast Riku.
Legendary creatures are not the best with Riku because of the legendary rule. Only allowing you to have one card that's the same name in your control meaning you don't really want to copy a legendary creature with Riku. The token copy still triggers any ETB abilities, but then you remove the token copy and keep the original legendary creature.
Some budget win conditions with Riku
Biovisionary + one copy of Biovisionary + Twinflame
At beginning of your end step resolve the Biovisionary win the game trigger before the Twinflame exile tokens trigger which wins the game before the tokens are exiled. Biovisionary is also good with clones such as Phyrexian Metamorph. With Riku in your control get Biovisionary onto the battlefield, make a copy of it, clone it with Metamorph and make token copy of Metamorph gives you four Biovisionarys. Twinflame also combos with Dualcaster Mage for infinite Dualcasters who can attack with haste.
Ral, Storm Conduit + Fork Expansion / Explosion/Reverberate/Twincast
With Ral in your control cast a Fork, copy it with Riku. Let the copy resolve and then copy the original Fork still on the stack. Resolving the Fork copy then copying the original Fork makes a copy instant loop which does infinite damage to your opponents one at a time with Ral. These Forks are good with Riku outside the combo because for four mana you can copy an opponents spell twice. Forks are nice in multiplayer Commander where you have many opponents who are casting instant/sorceries you could copy.
Some of other cards $5 or less each that are good with Riku
- Mana dorks: Kiora's Follower, Paradise Druid
- Land ramp: Crop Rotation, Harrow
- Clones: Clever Impersonator, Progenitor Mimic
- Recursion: Eternal Witness, Regrowth
- Removal: Beast Within, Reclamation Sage
- Draw: Preordain, Serum Visions, Risen Reef
- Tutors: Chord of Calling, Signal the Clans
- Forks: Narset's Reversal can be a repeatable for four mana since the copy of Reversal can bounce the original Reversal back to your hand.
- Tri: Frontier Bivouac
- Fetch: Ash Barrens, Evolving Wilds
- Pain: Yavimaya Coast, Karplusan Forest, Shivan Reef
- Battle: Cinder Glade
- Bounce: Simic Growth Chamber, Izzet Boilerworks, Gruul Turf
- Utility: Mystic Sanctuary, Kessig Wolf Run
- Check: Sulfur Falls, Rootbound Crag
More Expensive Lands
11 months ago
Hey, good version/first attempt of Kalamax and nice deck description.
With a $400 budget I think you can afford to cut some basic lands for more dual lands that ETB untapped: Stomping Ground, Cascade Bluffs, Shivan Reef, Karplusan Forest, Flooded Grove, Fire-Lit Thicket. Bluffs is very helpful since it can make or , important combinations to cast spells for Kalamax. Holdout Settlement and Survivors' Encampment are unique lands with Kalamax because like Springleaf Drum they can tap Kalamax to make mana. Best of all either one can be tutored for with Crop Rotation and are busted interaction with Kalamax and Seedborn Muse.
You've left out one of the better combos with Kalamax: Ral, Storm Conduit + Kalamax + any instant Fork. You've added a Doublecast step to the combo which you don't need to do. By copying an instant Fork with Kalamax then you make an infinite instant copy loop with the Fork which kills your opponents one at a time with damage from Ral.
Can't use Narset's Reversal as the Fork because of the "return to owner's hand" clause. Reversal can be a repeatable Fork with Kalamax which can be ridiculous value, but it's not a Fork that can make an instant copy loop. Reverberate is another instant Fork and it could replace Doublecast.
Melek, Izzet Paragon and Swarm Intelligence are not needed for six and seven mana. Could cut them for Arcane Signet and Wavebreak Hippocamp. Natural Connection is too slow ramp with not enough payoff with Kalamax. It could be cut for Nature's Lore which is two drop ramp that can get Triome, Breeding or Stomping and the Shock land can ETB untapped.
Good luck with your deck.