Liliana, Dreadhorde General
Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
Whenever a creature you control dies, draw a card.
+1: Create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
-4: Each player sacrifices two creatures.
-9: Each opponent chooses a permanent they control of each permanent type and sacrifices the rest.
|Have (3)||kpral , gildan_bladeborn , lorddarkstar|
|Want (6)||JScotty296 , map_charlie , DreamJumper , Jinxed_07 , NMJohn , QuillFancyson|
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|War of the Spark (WAR)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Liliana, Dreadhorde General Discussion
1 day ago
FounderX - Thank you for the kind words! I am very aware of infects interaction with him lol. I have a pretty mean wither/infect Hapatra deck and don't really want to take him that way. If I didn't have that deck though I would look to add a few of those cards for sure.
I agree about Liliana of the Dark Realms. I've only gotten to play her twice I believe, both times being lackluster. She's a bit of a pet card so I'm struggling to pull her out. As far as Liliana, Dreadhorde General is concerned, she is staying. By the time she's out I usually have enough of a boardstate to protect her (at least long enough to get a good deal of value out of her). If she can stick for a few turns she's worth it.
2 days ago
Great deck! ++++1. I'm Brewing Syr Konrad, the Grim, myself too. I don't know if you want to be that guy, but infect works really well in conjunction with Konrad with cards like Phyresis, Glistening Oil, Tainted Strike and Grafted Exoskeleton. I'm not the biggest fan when it comes to planeswalkers in commander, unless it is an Atraxa Superfriends chain veil deck. Liliana of the Dark Realms nets you a swamp for four mana and might not make it after that, since she is not that resilient with 4 loyalty after the first uptick. Same goes for the mini ultimate, 4 mana for a spot removal or a one time use Blanchwood Armor in black. Liliana, Dreadhorde General is more resilient after the first uptick and might survive with the zombie chump blocker, but you will probably be making 2/2s for a few rounds, there are still two players left trying to pound her in the ground! Again great deck!
5 days ago
Cards Removed and replaced with:
2 mana - Painter's Servant
5 mana - Thrilling Encore
7 mana -
8 mana - Avatar of Woe
x cost - Gaze of Granite
5 mana - Revel in Riches
7 mana -
8 mana - Colossus of Akros
9 mana - In Garruk's Wake
x cost - Stonecoil Serpent
1 week ago
-1 Teysa, -1 ayara, -4 gutterbones, -1 corpse knight, -1 woe strider, -1 gray merchant, -1 nightmare shepherd
Reasoning: Having 4 counts of any legendary creature in a deck can get you into trouble, if you can avoid it and still keep the deck running well, do it. I think you'll also be surprised at how fast the lifegain and damage add up from cat/oven when you have either cruel celebrant/corpse knight in play.
Example: Opponent attacks
1) block with cat preventing damage 2) sac cat with oven in response (makes food) 3) cat dying triggers celebrant (+1 life, -1 opponents life) 4) replay cat using created food (+1 life, -1 opponents life) 6) corpse knight triggers from cat re-entry (-1 opponents life)
You have now blocked all damage, gained two life, did 3 damage to your opponent, spent zero mana, and all this happened during their attack phase.
The cat also synergizes very well with teysa, whereas gutterbones wouldn't have that extra trigger. It's worth a shot to playtest this stuff at the very least.
The seraphs of the scale would do amazing things both for death triggers (celebrant, teysa) and would leave you with a board presence even after a board wipe (2 flyers at that).
Other cards to think about:
-Liliana, Dreadhorde General (excellent synergies with most of your deck, her "both players sac 2" ability would do a LOT in your deck, including gaining you life, doing damage to opponent, and getting additional draw triggers from teysa)
-Command the Dreadhorde (just don't kill yourself! Not sure if your deck has enough lifegain to support this, but it might)
-Basilica Bell-Haunt (does wonders on its own, but amazing with nightmare shepherd and the additional devotion for gray merchant)
Hope this helps in some way!
1 week ago
You can look at my deck, Gleaming Arbiter, for inspiration if you'd like, but keep in mind that mine is Modern, not Pioneer. So there will be some differences.
For adding noncreature spells, Honor the God-Pharaoh is one of my favorite cards to cast in my deck. Two cards for one, and adds 1 to the army. Next, Toll of the Invasion might do better for you than me, since you already run some discard. Commence the Endgame is, I believe, the best amass spell, period. However, you really would only have to run a couple of them, because they're a late-game spell. Now, if you did flip the balance more toward noncreature spells, Invade the City becomes brutal, albeit conditional. Furthermore, if you went that route, then Widespread Brutality is an even better choice than Massacre Girl that I mentioned before. However, it will very likely wipe your creatures also, so only if you went that route.
For creatures, I'd remove Aven Eternal, Eternal Skylord and Lazotep Reaver. They all either cost too much or don't help much. The other creatures are not necessarily unhelpful, so you'll probably have to playtest to find a good balance between creatures and others. I do, however, question your idea of adding Liliana, Dreadhorde General. She's more suited for a traditional zombie token deck. Remember that amass doesn't create multiple tokens, just one potentially gigantic one. In a similar vein, I wouldn't say to remove Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip, but to seriously playtest and determine how much it aids the theme of the deck. It's never a bad draw in any situation, but if worrying about it takes away from building the army, then it diminishes the effectiveness of the rest of the deck. Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God can stay, though, because why wouldn't you use him. I'm going to consider adding him to my own deck.
Sorry, I'm long winded. Hope that all was helpful.
2 weeks ago
FunkiestBunch and OptimalGreen: Yeah, this set didn't give me much for Hapatra :( These days, the only new things that get added here are powerful draw sources, tutors, and (in the right block) -1 counter sources. With that said, Nylea's Intervention was an upgrade over Sylvan Scrying as a way to tutor Gaea's Cradle (since it can potentially grab me one or two other utility lands, or deal with fliers in a pinch).
Regarding Contamination, I've... considered it forever. I don't run many artifacts, but in theory my mana dorks should let me still have access to green. The bigger issue is that this deck is primarily green, especially in its wincons -- I have trouble winning with only black, and it cuts off my biggest mana generator (Gaea's Cradle). Though amusingly, it would make Cradle tap for B even when I control no creatures XD
I've considered Liliana, Dreadhorde General for a while. I love her as a card, and her ult is backbreaking, but Eldrazi Monument has proven to be pretty great. It permits an infinite combo with Yawgmoth, and makes me dodge most board wipes (ie, the easiest way to shut me down). Plus it's one of my three major ways to deal with fliers, and it's also one of my all-time favorite cards. Driven / Despair continues to be a disappointment every time I slot it back in, because of its one-shot nature. I just never seem to get it at the right time to really profit, even though on paper it looks amazing.
I'm running a good amount of interaction here -- I'm running 13 cards that I would consider to be a form of interaction, of which 9 are instant speed removal or protection. I'd never turn down more, of course, but what other interaction are you thinking?
3 weeks ago
Last one should be Liliana, Dreadhorde General