Liliana, Dreadhorde General

Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana

Whenever a creature you control dies, draw a card. (Dying is being put into the graveyard from the battlefield. Tokens enter the graveyard before they cease to exist.)

+1: Create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.

-4: Each player sacrifices two creatures.

-9: Each opponent chooses a permanent they control of each permanent type and sacrifices the rest.

Combos

• Liliana, Dreadhorde General + Undead Augur

Tokens

• Zombie 2/2 B

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Alchemy	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Historic Brawl	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pioneer	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Pre-release	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Standard	Legal
Standard Brawl	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (49)

TheForsakenOne on Omnath, locus of all

5 months ago

You need a lot more cards that trigger Omnath, ideally you want to be hitting it every single turn but with lands that's already not going to happen. You barely have 6 cards in the deck that he'll trigger on, and while he will still draw you a card each turn you want to be adding that free mana. If you want a more goodstuff commander I'd recommend switching to Kenrith, the Returned King as a card that has more general value.

You seem to have a lot of just bad cards in here, giving the impression that you built this out of the cards you have lying around. Everyone has to start there, I did the same when I was starting out, but a lot of these go straight to the cutting floor. Aegis Turtle, Campus Guide, Sanguine Syphoner, Gutless Plunderer, Scytheclaw Raptor, Stromkirk Bloodthief, Hoverstone Pilgrim, Misleading Motes, Pilfer, Navigation Orb, Prophetic Prism, Tithing Blade  ^Flip, and Clawing Torment are all on this list.

You also seem to have a weird sacrifice subtheme with Ravenous Amulet, Vampire Gourmand, Dreg Recycler, Ayara, First of Locthwain, Vein Ripper, and Liliana, Dreadhorde General. The problem with this is that you just don't have good token generators or sacrifice fodder to support this outside of Liliana, not to mention its complete disconnect from the Omnath theme. I'd cut them all except for Liliana and Vein ripper since those are just good cards by themselves.

For other miscellaneous cuts: Rest in Peace is probably unnecessary for the power level you're looking to play at, most of the time it's going to sit dead in your hand. You don't really have enough enter the battlefield effects for Blur to pull its weight. And you don't really seem to be putting out creature numbers necessary for Campaign of Vengeance to be worth the 5 mana. Invasion of Ravnica  ^Flip is a decent card but the flip cares about 2 color pairs which seems out of place in this deck.

And are you sure you want to keep the infinite combo? Your deck is very low power, while that wincon is something more akin to something higher up. People are going to see you pull off the infinite out of nowhere and then have the perception of your deck based off of that when it'll probably only do it once every dozen or so games. I heavily suggest cutting Marauding Blight-Priest to avoid this.

For what you should add:

Pick and choose from the and cycles, those are pretty consistent 3 color spells that trigger Omnath.

Other suggestions: Villainous Wealth lets you turn all that mana into free spells of your opponents deck. A wincon in of itself.

Rienne, Angel of Rebirth if you put in more multicolored legends then this is a godsend, letting you play them over and over.

Maelstrom Nexus triggers Omnath and is just a really good card for casting big things like you want to.

Kodama's Reach is a second cultivate, which you definitely want.

Mirror Room / Fractured Realm copies a creature or doubles the triggers of all your stuff, including your commander.

Conflux tutors you three cards which is just great and with all the mana you should have you can have a nasty turn with this.

Annie Joins Up is removal and doubles your commander trigger. Also triggers Omnath's draw.

Wargate lets you tutor out whatever Permanent you need directly onto the battlefield, and is a good X spell for all your mana. Also see Chord of Calling or Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer for creatures specifically.

Yurlok of Scorch Thrash is great for adding a ton of mana over several turns. Also triggers Omnath

Sphinx's Revelation to turn that mana into a ton of lifegain and card draw.

Victory Chimes nets you 4 mana a turn with Omnath.

Koma, World-Eater is just a big guy that creates a bunch of tokens and is hard to get rid of. Also triggers Omnath.

Faeburrow Elder is another bloom tender that's also a 5/5 for 3 if you have a decent board.

Aragorn, the Uniter loves you casting multicolored spells because he'll trigger multiple times for each.

Zacama, Primal Calamity can be devastating with the amount of mana you can store. You can cripple your opponents with a string of her abilities.

Muldrotha, the Gravetide is great for recursion to spend all that mana. You'll basically never run out of things to play.

From your Maybeboard: Kroxa and Kunoros should be fun, and Polukranos Reborn  ^Flip is just a decent creature that also triggers Omnath. Rebuild the City is decent mega ramp that also creates bodies. If you add enough 3 color stuff Meeting of the Five would be great for a massive turn (I would also suggest Threefold Signal if you hit that level). Everything else I don't think is worth adding, you seem to have ambitions for Battle synergy but most of those don't trigger Omnath, I think that would be better saved for another deck.

Tl;Dr: Add more stuff that triggers Omnath and cut out the bulk. Add more ramp and think long and hard about if you do really want that infinite in a deck that cannot match it's power level and the hate it will bring on you.

ProgramIncomplete on The Mycotyrant

8 months ago

Sure thing!

When I decided to build this deck I really wanted to lean into the descend theme so I challenged myself to run as few non-permanent spells as possible. I think my initial list had like 1 or 2. Overtime, I ended up adding more since I realized I needed efficient self mill payoff cards like Reanimate and Overwhelming Remorse or else the deck was a little too clunky. Currently I'm running 9 but I'm looking for oppurtunites to cut some without losing power or efficiency.

But still, even though it isn't "pure permanents" I still tried my best to cover all of the deck's bases with permanent spells. We have permanents that can remove threats like Chupacabra Echo and Reclamation Sage; permanents that can draw cards like Skullclamp and Izoni, Thousand-Eyed; permanents that can ramp us like Sakura-Tribe Elder and Aftermath Analyst; permanents that mill like Mesmeric Orb and Ripples of Undeath; permanents that can bring stuff back from the grave like Journey to Eternity  ^Flip and Animate Dead; we even have The Meathook Massacre and Invasion of Fiora  ^Flip as our boardwipes.

One really nice upside to having everything our deck wants to do on permanent spells is that it makes cards like Malevolent Rumble and Cache Grab really consistent at grabbing something useful. And I recently added Revival Experiment which seems like a really nice payoff for going all in on permanents.

Anyway, the basic idea of this deck is self-milling and using my commander's ability to swarm the board with tokens. Usually we want to spend the first couple turns setting up, hopefully getting a repeatable mill effect on the battlefield like Mesmeric Orb or by pairing one of our dredge cards with a discard outlet like Matzalantli, the Great Door  ^Flip or Geier Reach Sanitarium. Once we've got our mill engine set up, then we can cast our commander. We want to make sure he triggers his end step ability the turn he enters so we can start getting our tokens online.

The tokens really are the core pillar of the deck. They can be sacrificed for value with cards like Skullclamp and Wight of the Reliquary; we can turn them into mana dorks with Insidious Roots; they can gain us a ton of life off of Essence Warden and Ayara, First of Locthwain; and they can present lethal by giving our Craterhoof Behemoth an army to buff. We also have the ability to drain the table to death with the aforementioned Ayara or Mirkwood Bats if we manage to mill enough cards. And of course, since they pump our commander, we can also win with commander damage.

Since we're milling so much the deck also has a reanimator subtheme. Reanimate and Animate Dead can bring back wincon creatures like Craterhoof and Ayara. Squirming Emergence can reanimate any permanent so it's an awesome way to put planeswalkers into play or snag an engine piece or even wipe the board with Invasion of Fiora  ^Flip. Similarly, Rise of the Witch-king let's us bring back any permanent while also forcing our opponents to sack a creature which is nice.

A new card that I'm actually testing right now is Chthonian Nightmare. The fact that it's a repeatable reanimate effect for only 2 mana seems really strong. And even if you don't "charge it up" by repeatedly reanimating creatures that cost less than 3, roughly 75% of the creatures in my deck are 3 or less anyway and among those are some really impactful targets like Eternal Witness, Reclamation Sage, Six, and Accursed Marauder just to name a few. Very excited to see how it performs!

Alongside the reanimator subtheme we have an aristocrats subtheme. As mentioned earlier the tokens make great fodder for stuff like Skullcamp and Wight. And we have creatures that either sack themselves, like Sakura-Tribe Elder and Aftermath Analyst, or want to be sacrificed, like World Shaper. All that sacrificing can net us additional value off of Liliana, Dreadhorde General or Mirkwood Bats since he triggers on token sacrifice as well. We also have Disciple of Freyalise  ^Flip, a great reanimation target that can draw us a ton of cards by sacrificing our creatures that grow in size as our graveyard does like Splinterfright and Souls of the Lost.

So yeah, that's the deck. It can be a bit slow and the lack of instant speed interaction is definitely a drawback but overall I like it a lot and it can have some explosive turns. You just have to be careful not to mill yourself out which is why I added in Kozilek, Butcher of Truth. He's a bit random so I might replace him with Elixir of Immortality. We'll see.

P.S. Apologies for the long winded reply, hopefully it was insightful.

ACrispyTaco on scraped this deck

9 months ago

Nice deck so far. I also really like Zombies and have a zombie recursion themed deck. Check it out for some ideas. Gravewater

I would consider adding Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Cauldron of Souls By themselves they can keep your zombies on the field, but when they are both on the field together their abilities cancel each other out and will keep zombies coming back over and over until they are removed.

Also pulling Rot Hulk from the Graveyard with cards like Persist comboed with Gray Merchant of Asphodel is disgusting.

Im not a huge fan of most Planeswalkers except Liliana, Dreadhorde General is pretty good. They tend to get focused down quick and some their best abilities require a minimum of 3-4 turns to get built up.

Hope this helps!

Profet93 on Mono-Black Enchantment

10 months ago

Nice low avg cmc. Swap out Opal Palace for Deserted Temple to untap coffers

Liliana, Dreadhorde General could be useful.

+1

king-saproling on Zellix's Insanity

1 year ago

Cool deck! You might like these: Phenax, God of Deception, Intruder Alarm, Captain N'ghathrod, Selhoff Occultist, Species Specialist, Phyrexian Altar, Murder of Crows, Liliana, Dreadhorde General, Teferi's Tutelage, Jace's Erasure

EchoSpice on What Dies...

1 year ago

Also, Black Market, and if u have the cash for it, Liliana, Dreadhorde General and Phyrexian Altar.

mrweaselman on Stumbly Boys (EDH)

1 year ago

Starting with mana, you only have 44 sources. I would recommend going around 47. Sapphire Medallion and Jet Medallion are a lot better than the monuments, although more expensive. You want to avoid 3 mana rocks like Dimir Locket and Commander's Sphere, you have better options in two mana ones. Add Coldsteel Heart, Fellwar Stone, Dimir Signet, Talisman of Dominance and at least one land.

For interaction, you could add enchantment removal like Feed the Swarm. Bitter Triumph is new and may be better than Infernal Grasp here.

Since mill and discard can basically act as card draw, you can run cards like Mire Triton, Stitcher's Supplier, Undead Butler, Palantir of Orthanc, and Fact or Fiction, as well as sacrifice based card draw like Corrupted Conviction, Village Rites, and Deadly Dispute. There's also always all-stars Black Market Connections, Phyrexian Arena, and Rhystic Study if you want to go that direction.

Some card to protect your commander like Netherborn Altar, Malakir Rebirth  ^Flip, Zombie Master or Lightning Greaves / Swiftfoot Boots may be helpful if you rely on Gisa and it keeps getting removed.

There are certain cards I am not a fan of in this deck including Master of Death, Prized Amalgam, Scourge of Nel Toth, Tomebound Lich, Dead Revels, and Syphon Flesh.

Some other cards to consider include Cryptbreaker, Geralf, Visionary Stitcher, Ghoulcaller Gisa, Lord of the Undead, Noxious Ghoul, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, The Scarab God, Distant Melody, Buried Alive, Diabolic Intent, Liliana, Dreadhorde General. You could probably replace similar cards with these if they are better.

Gravecrawler + Rooftop Storm + Sac Outlet is infinite. I don't think you run many sac outlets. You could add Acererak the Archlich to go infinite with just Rooftop Storm.

jdogz32 on Ghave, Guru of Spores Commander Deck (2023-08-27)

1 year ago

Just some thoughts on cards I think you should look at Daemogoth Titan Season of Growth Cathars' Crusade Carrion Feeder Scurry Oak Finale of Devastation Anguished Unmaking Rite of Oblivion Vanishing Verse Lolth, Spider Queen Liliana, Dreadhorde General Gavony Township Mikaeus, the Lunarch Westvale Abbey  ^Flip Mystifying Maze