Liliana, Dreadhorde General
Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
Whenever a creature you control dies (is put into the graveyard from the battlefield), draw a card.
+1: Create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
-4: Each player sacrifices two creatures.
-9: Each opponent chooses a permanent they control of each permanent type and sacrifices the rest.
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Liliana, Dreadhorde General Discussion
1 week ago
No, vampires are great for utilizing sacrifice. I have a casual modern vamp deck that is similar and wins quite often in multiplayer. Though I use a couple red/black cards over black/white vamps and I go with more of a Sacrifice theme. Cards you may want to consider for this deck are- Bloodghast , Liliana, Dreadhorde General , Vampire Nocturnus , and maybe some more Grave Pact .
3 weeks ago
Here is an interesting article on lands (CMC0 Artifacts are lands) https://edhrec.com/articles/superior-numbers-land-counts/
Topic: Card Advantage! (There's lots of discussion on this if you search it, it can be a bit complicated, but ultimately, it means playing more cards than your opponent, in this deck, bringing multiple creatures back again and again is a way, draw is key, you don't ever want an empty hand)
Staying on theme with draw:
Skullclamp is going to be a necessity with your afterlife mechanic and hopefully a Teysa Karlov . Turn creature advantage into card advantage (yes Teysa Karlov make 2x spirits for afterlife 1, and then draws 4! cards when it dies).
Grim Haruspex is a common way to get some draw in and very well suited.
Viscera Seer is another way to get advantage, protect creatures from being exiled or stolen, as well as turn creature advantage into scry and hopefully draw with another ability on-board. This also means if you have recursion in hand but nothing to target, you can make a target.
Village Rites can be ok, if you're holding recursion to, or in response to someone unfavorably blocking your creature or if you just need to dig for an answer. It's not my favorite because its one-shot though.
Midnight Reaper is another way to utilize your deathtouch to remove opponents creatures and refill your hand.
There are some other guys, maybe not within your deathtouch theme, so maybe not right for you Reassembling Skeleton , Bloodghast (kind of like a Soul Stair Expedition effect but on a creature. Check out this deck for more guys like this, Yawgmoth Thran Physician EDH, if interested.
There's also some ways to utilize your life total to draw, Bolas's Citadel is amazing (can win games or get you back in them), Necropotence (it's really good if you've never used it, Greed or Arguel's Blood Fast Flip (crappy greed). You have some draw, Eg. Priest of Forgotten Gods , but I would get at minimum 8 draw mechanics into the deck, staying on theme, up to 12 is even good.
Liliana, Dreadhorde General does this pretty good too, and has a nice ultimate but is pricey ($20?), Phyrexian Arena is a classic ($12), Avoid anything with an activation costs on a triggered ability like Mentor of the Meek (static like Greed is ok).
Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord really fits your recursion theme, think he like $2 now, he doesn't draw cards, but gives all your guys lifelink and allows you to recur multiple creatures, and has lifelink himself for the +2 pinging ability.
This sort of led into another Topic: Winning
The most common way for to win is Gray Merchant of Asphodel and recurring him, multiple times. Torment of Hailfire is nice, but you need much more land/ramp. Command the Dreadhorde is really strong too, if you can get a little bit extra life and have protected your life with your deathtouch, can get a bunch of strong/deathtouch back for relatively low life, even hits opponents graveyard.
Not sure i like the payoff for God-Pharaoh's Statue by the time you get there, your opponents will have ramped ( especially) enough mana to pay it.
Archetype of Finality is also not a great payoff for the mana cost, I would rather Command the Dreadhorde or Bolas's Citadel anytime. Plus many of your creatures have or can get deathtouch by themselves.
Just replace some key payoffs and you'll find your high CMC spell require a response from other players. Lots of ways to get there, whatever you like based on the theme.
I'll do one more post tomorrow with some other specific card evals, but quite a bit there. Trying to recommend some cuts as well as I go, I know it can be just as difficult deciding what to cut as it is for what to play.
Staying Low-Mid (battlecruiser/low) means you probably dont need a tutor package, but I'll give some ideas on the interaction package which you'll still need to answer some things your opponents are doing. Check back later. Happy reading :)
1 month ago
1 month ago
I used to run a superfriends deck and found Sarkhan the Masterless to be quite effective.
Liliana, Dreadhorde General can also help keep the board in check.
2 months ago
I would love to see an updated version of this deck. Some recent cards I have personally found to be amazing are: Liliana, Dreadhorde General , Undead Augur , Dreadhorde Invasion , Murderous Rider , Bolas's Citadel and Nyx Lotus .
2 months ago
CyanideSuicide017 I don't play Karmic Guide + Reveillark for the same reason I don't play Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood , Revel in Riches + Smothering Tithe , or anything with Nim Deathmantle . These cards cost a lot of mana and aren't great without the other combo piece(s). Karmic guide can only reanimate one creature with an ETB, and Reveillark only targets creatures with power 2 or less. I have much more efficient reanimation like Victimize , Living Death , and Command the Dreadhorde . Since they're individually underwhelming, their real draw is the combo you mentioned. For the combo itself, it it's not very efficient since it costs a total of 10 mana for both cards plus additional mana for a sac outlet and a card that wins the game off of looping. The infinite combos I have in the deck all function off of cards that are already efficient on their own. These are the reasons I don't play either, but if you think they'd be interesting, you could give it a shot. It seems like a fun combo, and who knows, it could be better than I'm giving it credit for.
For cheap black card draw, I probably should play Sign in Blood , and Night's Whisper . I haven't put them in thus far because they're boring. I like the potential of being able to draw a million cards off of Dark Prophecy and how it becomes a part of an engine rather than going for the more consistent approach. The deck is also pretty slow combo-wise as most combos require 3+ cards. In slower metas, we get more out of Dark Prophecy like effects. If you're up against decks that win a lot faster than Teysa, Sign in Blood and Night's Whisper get better. I might end up replacing Dark Prophecy and something like Liliana, Dreadhorde General or Solemn Simulacrum with those two somewhere down the line. It depends on if my meta shifts or if I want to change the direction of the deck a bit.
2 months ago
I have a similar deck except it is abzan. Abzan Planeswalkers. I think I would change the Ob Nixilis, the Hate-Twisted for Liliana, Dreadhorde General , and instead of adding more Assassin's Trophy , add Maelstrom Pulse . Let me know if that works.
3 months ago
Take Out: - Merciless Eviction exiles so that will not trigger our boy, Nev.
Bontu the Glorified really doesn't seem that good. You dont have a lot of creatures to sack. Sure you could get a bunch from Nev. Its too many conditions needed for Bontu.
Winds of Abandon for the same reasoning as Merciless Eviction
Mnemonic Deluge is so much mana and you do not even really have any good targets for it. It wont get you an overloaded rift, it can target a board clear but you dont need to do that multiple times
Court of Grace seems slow and you will almost never be the monarch probably.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope could be really good so as to keep all of your stuff
Faith's Reward is good. Lets you get the death triggers on stuff and then you can get all of your stuff back
Second Sunrise is also good but helps everyone. If you manage to wipe the board, second sunrise, and then wipe the board again, THEN play Nev or if you had Blood Artist out, that's meta. Its a lot of mana to do all this so maybe not on the Sunrise.
Rise of the Dark Realms could be the SAUCE
Liliana, Dreadhorde General aint bad if you are able to board wipe to help protect her and draw all those cards
Leyline of Anticipation could be nice if you need more flash for board clears but this is meh in the deck. Your instant speed stuff is your spot removal or counters!
Rout is a built in flash board clear
Land Tax is good since you are in non-ramp colors. You can get the lands you will need since you might blow up your own mana rocks sometimes
Talismans are good but could get blown up so up to you
Gift of Immortality on Nev is banana town
Generous Gift instead of a spell that exiles like Utter End. This one destroys