Faceless Haven

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Brawl Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Pre-release Legal
Standard Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Faceless Haven

Snow Land

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven *Update*

2 weeks ago

Perilous_Percival

That is the reason! When I first built this Faceless Haven was all the rage and some suggested I swap out plains for snow lands to enable that, but that's a lot of effort for a defensive combo and Mutavault is easier. On top of the combo, paying the extra one can also give us an extra counter if we need it by having another angel an extra angel on the field when it enters.

amarthaler on EDH Jorn, God of Winter

2 months ago

Update!

Out: 20 total cards! 1. Time of Ice, 2. Muldrotha, the Gravetide, 3. Iceberg Cancrix, 4. The Tarrasque, 5. Time of Ice, 6. Emergent Ultimatum, 7. Glittering Frost, 8. Boreal Outrider, 9. Faceless Haven, 10. Shimmerdrift Vale, 11. Avalanche Caller, 12. Frostwalk Bastion, 13. Coldsteel Heart, 14. Fabled Passage, 15. Opulent Palace, 16. Tropical Island, 17. Underground Sea, 18. Bayou, 19. Birds of Paradise, 20. Village Rites

In: 20 total cards! 1. Primal Rage, 2. Winged Boots, 3. Darksteel Plate, 4. Panglacial Wurm, 5. Sundial of the Infinite, 6. Diabolic Vision, 7. Inventors' Fair, 8. Thespian's Stage, 9. Boreal Centaur, 10. Hailstorm Valkyrie, 11. Druid Class, 12. Expedition Map, 13. Thing in the Ice  Flip, 14. Glorious Sunrise, and 2x Snow Forest, 3x Snow Island, 1x Snow Swamp

With this new design, we're looking to keep Jorn alive longer and deal more damage. There's also more ways to summon Marit Lage and pump up snow creatures. The mana base is smoothed out with more snow lands, and more card draw / ramp cards. Let me know what you think of the new brew!

kimosabe on Avacyn, Angel of "Nope"

3 months ago

Hey there. Lovely angel build. I was wondering if you were aware of the Book of Exalted Deeds + Faceless Haven combo? Usually people will ruin the combo with an exile effect. But there are next to no exile effects for lands so...

I realize you do not currently have snow-lands and it'll be a drag to get them. But money does not seem to limit what cards you use. This will also allow access to Search for Glory for what it's worth. White tutors are rare.

ETdotG on Noyan Dar, Spell-Police

5 months ago

Hey that deck seems realy nice, I would change Stroke of Genius by Pull from Tomorrow and Curious Homunculus  Flip by Baral, Chief of Compliance I would also put more manlands, Celestial Colonnade Hall of Storm Giants Forbidding Watchtower and Faceless Haven seems good pick to me (and if u wana be mean Inkmoth Nexus lol. But outside of that that a neat build ^^

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven *Update*

6 months ago

Hi decidingtoast! Thanks for the comments and suggestions! Idol of Oblivion is a great card in a token deck. Nonetheless, while we make angel tokens as much as is reasonable, we only do so in the most efficient ways, and I think tying draw to token generation will result in inconsistent draw. This ties into a misconception about the deck. I think some builds online that I've seen really try to go out on tokens. While free tokens are indeed great with Giada since she pumps them, she doesn't really incentivize them over cast angels. Since angel tokens are big and fly, game design makes them more difficult to generate, and if we leaned more into this theme we'd be committing a lot of mana to it and would be slowing down the deck quite a bit. Instead we really only play Angelic Accord effects where we get free angel tokens from our life gain, which synergizes with both the angel piece of our theme and the life-gain aspects of the deck. I've only recently added Eye of Vecna so the jury is still out, but its not even close to painful due to our life gain, and is unconditional and consistent, even if we do have to pay each time, which is the downside of the card. Nonetheless paying for our cards is a thing in white, and at least with Eye since its an upkeep trigger we'll always have the mana to pay if we want to (whereas if we gain life with Dawn of Hope out after tapping out it won't do us much good, since we won't be able to pay the ). Tome of Legends, on the other hand, is a card I have a lot of experience of and is nothing short of amazing. Since Giada flys and has vigilance we can usually attack with her every turn, and can then tap her to cast more angels during our second main phase, meaning we'll always have the counters to power it and will basically get one card for every turn, which is a great rate.

As for Faceless Haven, the reason this card is a consideration for the deck is because of a wacky combo with Snow-Covered Plains and The Book of Exalted Deeds. Basically if we make a haven a creature, we can then sac the book to put a divinity counter on it. At the end of turn it will revert to being a land but will keep the counter, basically meaning we have a land version of Platinum Angel. Since land destruction is less common this will be a major barrier to our opponents winning the game by any means, which gives us time to destroy them. Committing to Snow-Covered Plains is also seen as beneficial because for decks running Extraplanar Lens Snow Plains are seen as beneficial since they don't help your opponents. Both the book and Faceless Haven are tutorable with Search for Glory, which can help with putting this together.

There really isn't much of an argument against running this combo, and Mutavault would make it more consistent, so that's a good call! So far I haven't quite felt committed enough to pick up the set of snow plains and these cards, but having two ways to do it could push me over the edge. I'll definitely put Mutavault on the maybe board.

decidingtoast on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven *Update*

6 months ago

If your deck is puking out tokens on the regular, might I recommend Idol of Oblivion? It's more efficient and less painful than Eye of Vecna, and it's probably more consistent than Tome of Legends. Also, I noticed that your maybe section has Faceless Haven. If you're considering that, Mutavault is probably also worth consideration I think.

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven *Update*

7 months ago

AbyssalChampion

Drumbellower is a bit of a Seedborn Muse for sure, albeit for creatures only and in this case we don't have dorks to re-use for mana. Still, it could be an interesting engine in support of something, and white has a lot of tapping/untapping synergies. I'll have to ponder that! It's a cool card. It might be nice in some of my other aggro decks, and maybe here.

Kingtalk

I forgot about Together Forever! I pulled a foil promo version of that out of a Battlebond prerelease kit, and had never found a use for it, but its perfect here! It can also protect Giada, which is an added plus. I've found in my limited play so far that the deck goldfishes past, but the card draw is slower than I'd like, and getting targeted and blow out is a constant concern. This card makes Sephara, Sky's Blade even better. The Ozolith is another great counters card that I forgot about. Extraplanar Lens is great, and definitely an auto-include once I can swing the price. It's be nice if Wizards actually reprinted it for a change. That Faceless Haven trick is neat! Stapled a Platinum Angel to a land for and make them play land destruction of they hope to beat you. That's a cool idea which I might do, especially since I'm playing the Book anyway.

Thanks again all for comments, suggestions, upvotes, and adds!

Kingtalk on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven *Update*

7 months ago

Might I suggest changing your lands to snow-covered plains, this allows you to run Faceless Haven which combos with The Book of Exalted Deeds in a funny way. Also, lets your run Extraplanar Lens for big ramp value. The Ozolith I think should also be an auto include for this commander, just letting you recover from board wipes in a big way. Together Forever is another really powerful piece in this deck I think. Anyway, food for thought! Good list

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