Faceless Haven

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Brawl Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Pre-release Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Faceless Haven

Snow Land

kimosabe on Avacyn, Angel of "Nope"

3 days ago

Hey there. Lovely angel build. I was wondering if you were aware of the Book of Exalted Deeds + Faceless Haven combo? Usually people will ruin the combo with an exile effect. But there are next to no exile effects for lands so...

I realize you do not currently have snow-lands and it'll be a drag to get them. But money does not seem to limit what cards you use. This will also allow access to Search for Glory for what it's worth. White tutors are rare.

ETdotG on Noyan Dar, Spell-Police

2 months ago

Hey that deck seems realy nice, I would change Stroke of Genius by Pull from Tomorrow and Curious Homunculus  Flip by Baral, Chief of Compliance I would also put more manlands, Celestial Colonnade Hall of Storm Giants Forbidding Watchtower and Faceless Haven seems good pick to me (and if u wana be mean Inkmoth Nexus lol. But outside of that that a neat build ^^

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

2 months ago

Hi decidingtoast! Thanks for the comments and suggestions! Idol of Oblivion is a great card in a token deck. Nonetheless, while we make angel tokens as much as is reasonable, we only do so in the most efficient ways, and I think tying draw to token generation will result in inconsistent draw. This ties into a misconception about the deck. I think some builds online that I've seen really try to go out on tokens. While free tokens are indeed great with Giada since she pumps them, she doesn't really incentivize them over cast angels. Since angel tokens are big and fly, game design makes them more difficult to generate, and if we leaned more into this theme we'd be committing a lot of mana to it and would be slowing down the deck quite a bit. Instead we really only play Angelic Accord effects where we get free angel tokens from our life gain, which synergizes with both the angel piece of our theme and the life-gain aspects of the deck. I've only recently added Eye of Vecna so the jury is still out, but its not even close to painful due to our life gain, and is unconditional and consistent, even if we do have to pay each time, which is the downside of the card. Nonetheless paying for our cards is a thing in white, and at least with Eye since its an upkeep trigger we'll always have the mana to pay if we want to (whereas if we gain life with Dawn of Hope out after tapping out it won't do us much good, since we won't be able to pay the ). Tome of Legends, on the other hand, is a card I have a lot of experience of and is nothing short of amazing. Since Giada flys and has vigilance we can usually attack with her every turn, and can then tap her to cast more angels during our second main phase, meaning we'll always have the counters to power it and will basically get one card for every turn, which is a great rate.

As for Faceless Haven, the reason this card is a consideration for the deck is because of a wacky combo with Snow-Covered Plains and The Book of Exalted Deeds. Basically if we make a haven a creature, we can then sac the book to put a divinity counter on it. At the end of turn it will revert to being a land but will keep the counter, basically meaning we have a land version of Platinum Angel. Since land destruction is less common this will be a major barrier to our opponents winning the game by any means, which gives us time to destroy them. Committing to Snow-Covered Plains is also seen as beneficial because for decks running Extraplanar Lens Snow Plains are seen as beneficial since they don't help your opponents. Both the book and Faceless Haven are tutorable with Search for Glory, which can help with putting this together.

There really isn't much of an argument against running this combo, and Mutavault would make it more consistent, so that's a good call! So far I haven't quite felt committed enough to pick up the set of snow plains and these cards, but having two ways to do it could push me over the edge. I'll definitely put Mutavault on the maybe board.

decidingtoast on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

3 months ago

If your deck is puking out tokens on the regular, might I recommend Idol of Oblivion? It's more efficient and less painful than Eye of Vecna, and it's probably more consistent than Tome of Legends. Also, I noticed that your maybe section has Faceless Haven. If you're considering that, Mutavault is probably also worth consideration I think.

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

3 months ago

AbyssalChampion

Drumbellower is a bit of a Seedborn Muse for sure, albeit for creatures only and in this case we don't have dorks to re-use for mana. Still, it could be an interesting engine in support of something, and white has a lot of tapping/untapping synergies. I'll have to ponder that! It's a cool card. It might be nice in some of my other aggro decks, and maybe here.

Kingtalk

I forgot about Together Forever! I pulled a foil promo version of that out of a Battlebond prerelease kit, and had never found a use for it, but its perfect here! It can also protect Giada, which is an added plus. I've found in my limited play so far that the deck goldfishes past, but the card draw is slower than I'd like, and getting targeted and blow out is a constant concern. This card makes Sephara, Sky's Blade even better. The Ozolith is another great counters card that I forgot about. Extraplanar Lens is great, and definitely an auto-include once I can swing the price. It's be nice if Wizards actually reprinted it for a change. That Faceless Haven trick is neat! Stapled a Platinum Angel to a land for and make them play land destruction of they hope to beat you. That's a cool idea which I might do, especially since I'm playing the Book anyway.

Thanks again all for comments, suggestions, upvotes, and adds!

Kingtalk on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

3 months ago

Might I suggest changing your lands to snow-covered plains, this allows you to run Faceless Haven which combos with The Book of Exalted Deeds in a funny way. Also, lets your run Extraplanar Lens for big ramp value. The Ozolith I think should also be an auto include for this commander, just letting you recover from board wipes in a big way. Together Forever is another really powerful piece in this deck I think. Anyway, food for thought! Good list

Rygalla on Angels Everywhere but There

5 months ago

This is pretty interesting deck, not going to lie. Though there are a few things about it that you could improve the deck with...

First of all is ramp, Mono-white absolutely sucks with ramp I know, especially with getting an 8 drop like Avacyn out, of course stuff like Land Tax and Archaeomancer's Map are good options, they may be a bit on the pricy side. Fortunately stuff like Burnished Hart, Solemn Simulacrum, and Monologue Tax exist and are relatively light on the budget, Knight of the White Orchid and Keeper of the Accord are also good options for mono-white to help get her out sooner. Also, since artifacts are the main source of ramp for mono-white, why not slip in Thran Dynamo, Gilded Lotus, or Semblance Anvil?

Secondly, there is a lot of removal in this deck, namely single target removal. Avacyn loves boardwipes and similar effects over single target removal as she can protect her allies from them. Worldslayer and Nevinyrral's Disk are great non-sorcery forms of boardwipe that work wonders for Avacyn and Fated Retribution can be quite the surprise. Speaking of, Vanquish the Horde and Hour of Revelation are very strong boardwipes in commander considering the chance you can cast them for cheap is very often. Also, since Avacyn will be a big target to everyone, consider adding in Swiftfoot Boots for redundancy with Lightning Greaves.

Next, the angels. For the most part, these are some pretty good choices, but there are a few issues I can see. Restoration Angel and Angel of Glory's Rise are the biggest whiffs in the deck. As of current, the only human/non-angel creature in your deck they could target/effect (excluding tokens) is Starnheim Aspirant, not bad, but both of these prefer to be in non-angel tribal decks, namely flicker and human tribal decks respectively. Aside from them, look through your angels and note any beatsticks, or angels that only exist just to hit face, and consider removing them, three of them that come to mind are Serra Angel, Seraph of Dawn, and Baneslayer Angel. Consider changing them out for angels like Angel of the Dire Hour, Herald of War, Emeria Shepherd, Serra's Emissary, or Angel of Serenity as they provide utility in addition to being a beatstick. Also consider switching Akroma, Angel of Wrath out for Akroma, Vision of Ixidor for some added oomph for your angels.

Your lands are also pretty solid, but you aren't running anything that can take advantage of all of those snow lands. You have The Book of Exalted Deeds, why not slip in Faceless Haven that can, technically, become an angel and thus receive the book's effects? Speaking of, Search for Glory and Scrying Sheets are great cards with these snow lands as one can tutor out either a snow land or a legendary card while the other works well with Herald's Horn. Emeria, The Sky Ruin is basically free recursion in mono-white while War Room and Bonders' Enclave are nice card draw options in a color that lacks it.

LethalKitten on mono white aggro

6 months ago

Crawling Barrens is a decent replacement for Faceless Haven.

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