Vorel of the Hull Clade
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Dandan Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Judge's Tower Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Vorel of the Hull Clade

Legendary Creature — Human Merfolk

, : Double the number of each kind of counter on target artifact, creature or land.

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DeathBySprnkles on Does Vorel of the Hull …

6 months ago

Say I have Vorel of the Hull Clade, Simic Ascendancy, and creature like Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca with a +1/+1 counter on it on the battlefield. If I use Vorel of the Hull Clade's ability to double the counter on Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca, do I also put a growth counter on Simic Ascendancy?

I'm asking because Vorel of the Hull Clade says to double the counter(s) but im not sure if I'm "putting" new counters onto a card to trigger Simic Ascendancy or just increasing existing ones.

Wording on cards can make or break a possible combo and would like to be sure of this before it happens in a game.

trippy_mcfly on Cumly Cube

10 months ago

Introducing Cumly Cube 1.2! 12 months ago, Cumly Cube was updated to Cumly Cube 1.1, offering many needed changes to the card pool. While this fixed some glaring errors, other faults in the cube remained, and a year of careful consideration has hopefully identified all of them. For Cumly Cube's 1.1's 1-year anniversary, I have chosen to make some changes. These changes serve a few functions:

One of them is to smooth the power level of cards in the pool. There should be very few slam-dunk picks or unplayable cards.

Another is to remove the snow card type from the pool. This makes it so players only have the option of including regular basic lands in their deck, increasing accessibility and ease for drafting.

A third is to balance the level of aggression in strategies. It was identified that playing strong, expensive creatures was a dominant strategy in Cumly Cube 1.1, since there was not enough support for aggressive decks to go under this strategy. While aggressive decks are still not supported heavily, a few changes in the card pool have hopefully shifted the meta to a point in which tempo will be an important dynamic in most matchups.

A fourth and final change is in the creature types. All creatures now belong to a supported creature type, and all non-creature cards that produce creature tokens produce tokens that belong to a supported creature type as well, meaning that tribal synergies are going to be emphasized in Cumly Cube 1.2, as was an original goal of this Cumly cube.

One more thing to note is an important change to the rules. Rule 907 has been removed. Players can no longer use this rule to conjure a basic land of any type into their hand, increasing a need for disciplined drafting. While this rule allowed players to play more ambitious decks, it removed the use for Banners, Lockets, and other methods of fixing mana. Ambitious decks are still possible in Cumly Cube 1.2, they just require some extra effort to draft.

Here are the individual card changes, provided with brief justifications:

CUTS:

ARTIFACT

Arcum's Astrolabe: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Ankh of Mishra: Too weak in power level Coalition Relic: Too much utility for general decks Coat of Arms: Ideally, this card would often be symmetrical, since opposing players would have tribal synergies, thus making it too weak in power level Coercive Portal: Too strong Coldsteel Heart: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Crowded Crypt: Creates zombie creature tokens, a creature type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 Explorer's Scope: Too strong and too much variability Fellwar Stone: Too strong Glasses of Urza: Too weak in power level Grafted Skullcap: Too narrow Mask of Memory: Too much utility for general decks Paladin's Shield: Too weak in power level Scroll Rack: Too little synergy with the rest of the card pool Sword of Feast and Famine: Protection leads to less interactive games, a dynamic not desirable in Cumly Cube Sword of Fire and Ice: Protection leads to less interactive games, a dynamic not desirable in Cumly Cube Sword of Light and Shadow: Protection leads to less interactive games, a dynamic not desirable in Cumly Cube Sword of Truth and Justice: Protection leads to less interactive games, a dynamic not desirable in Cumly Cube Talisman of Conviction: Too powerful Talisman of Hierarchy: Too powerful Talisman of Resilience: Too powerful

CREATURE

Allosaurus Shepherd: Removed to lower the presence of elves and green creatures Angelic Curator: Too weak in power level. Additionally, protection leads to less interactive games, a dynamic not desirable in Cumly Cube Apex Devastator: Card advantage should require more synergy than slamming one creature card Apex Hawks: Too weak in power level Arcbound Reclaimer: Too weak in power level Avacyn's Pilgrim: A mana dork that costs 1 mana with no drawback is too powerful and too obvious a choice of a Cumly Ascendant Spirit: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Battered Golem: Too weak in power level Beast Whisperer: Too powerful Birds of Paradise: A mana dork that costs 1 mana with no drawback is too powerful and too obvious a choice of a Cumly Boreal Druid: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Boreal Outrider: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Bosh, Iron Golem: Too weak in power level Bottle Golems: Too weak in power level Brokkos, Apex of Forever: Mutate cards have been removed to make Cumly Cube 1.2 more accessible Cartographer: Too weak in power level Chillbringer: Too weak in power level Dryad of the Ilysian Grove: Not a supported creature type, plus too much utility for general decks Elvish Visionary: Removed to lower the presence of elves and green creatures Erebos, God of the Dead: Too strong of an engine for an indestructible card Eternal Witness: Removed to lower the incentive for primarily green strategies Ethereal Valkyrie: Card advantage should require more synergy than slamming one creature card Garth One-Eye: Too complicated of a card Goldspan Dragon: Too strong in the treasure matters archetype Hellkite Tyrant: Too strong of an alternate win condition in multiplayer games and too powerful after sideboarding against artifact-based strategies Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis: Not a viable addition to almost any deck Icehide Golem: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Illuna, Apex of Wishes: Mutate cards have been removed to make Cumly Cube 1.2 more accessible Ingot Chewer: Too powerful against artifact-based strategies Karmic Guide: Protection leads to less interactive games, a dynamic not desirable in Cumly Cube Kozilek, Butcher of Truth: Too strong Kozilek, the Great Distortion: Too strong Looter il-Kor: Not a supported creature type Lotus Cobra: Too obvious a choice of a Cumly Master Skald: Too weak in power level Metalworker: Too strong in artifact-based strategies Mirror Golem: Protection leads to less interactive games, a dynamic not desirable in Cumly Cube Omnath, Locus of Creation: Too strong Prosperous Innkeeper: Not a supported creature type Rimescale Dragon: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Sea Drake: Too weak in power level Sea-Dasher Octopus: Mutate cards have been removed to make Cumly Cube 1.2 more accessible Skeletal Wurm: Too strong Snapcaster Mage: This card is commonly played in many formats, and fits the same role in Cumly Cube as it does in other formats. That is too boring for Cumly Cube Solemn Simulacrum: Too much utility for general decks Svella, Ice Shaper: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Thada Adel, Acquisitor: Too powerful after sideboarding against artifact-based strategies Thassa, God of the Sea: Too weak in power level Tireless Tracker: Too powerful Torgaar, Famine Incarnate: Too direct of an impact on life total True-Name Nemesis: Protection leads to less interactive games, a dynamic not desirable in Cumly Cube Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger: Too strong Waterfront Bouncer: Too much utility for general decks

ENCHANTMENT

All That Glitters: Too generically-useful of an effect given the presence of artifacts in many decks Ascent of the Worthy: Too cheap for a reanimation effect Blood Sun: Too narrow Curiosity: This effect exists with Keen Sense, and it is more interesting to have that effect be in Green than Blue Duelist's Heritage: Too weak in power level Endless Scream: Too weak in power level Grounded: Too weak in power level Havoc: Too weak in power level Hero's Resolve: Too weak in power level Moonlit Wake: Too weak in power level Path of Mettle  Flip: Too weak in power level Shared Animosity: Too aggressive Sunbond: Too generically-useful of an effect given the presence of life gain in many decks The Mending of Dominaria: Mill of any kind is not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 True Conviction: Too weak in power level Unfulfilled Desires: Too much utility for general decks Unspeakable Symbol: Too aggressive Cold Snap: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Freyalise's Radiance: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Glacial Plating: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Rime Transfusion: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks

INSANT

Abrade: Too much utility for general decks Artifact Blast: Interaction with artifacts should be found as removal, allowing artifact decks to realize their synergies Assert Authority: Too generic of a counter spell for artifact-based strategies Blazing Salvo: Too weak in power level Burning Hands: Color-specific hate cards lead to less interesting sideboarding strategies Celestial Purge: Color-specific hate cards lead to less interesting sideboarding strategies Confound: Too strong in certain matchups after sideboarding Crop Rotation: Too strong in Dark Depths decks Dark Remedy: Too weak in power level Darkness: This effect already exists in Batwing Brume, a more interesting card Dazzling Lights: Too weak in power level Flashfreeze: Color-specific hate cards lead to less interesting sideboarding strategies Fry: Color-specific hate cards lead to less interesting sideboarding strategies Generous Gift: Creates an elephant creature token, a creature type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 Mardu Charm: Creates warrior creature tokens, a creature type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 Pyroblast: Color-specific hate cards lead to less interesting sideboarding strategies Red Elemental Blast: Color-specific hate cards lead to less interesting sideboarding strategies Repopulate: Too strong in certain matchups after sideboarding Selesnya Charm: Creates a knight creature token, a creature type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2

LAND

Cave of the Frost Dragon: Mono-colored creature lands have been removed from Cumly Cube 1.2 to discourage mono-colored strategies Den of the Bugbear: Mono-colored creature lands have been removed from Cumly Cube 1.2 to discourage mono-colored strategies Faceless Haven: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Field of the Dead: Too much utility for general decks Fire-Lit Thicket: Replaced with Mossfire Valley Gnottvold Slumbermound: Not a supported creature type Lair of the Hydra: Mono-colored creature lands have been removed from Cumly Cube 1.2 to discourage mono-colored strategies Hall of Storm Giants: Mono-colored creature lands have been removed from Cumly Cube 1.2 to discourage mono-colored strategies Hive of the Eye Tyrant: Mono-colored creature lands have been removed from Cumly Cube 1.2 to discourage mono-colored strategies

PLANESWALKER

Garruk, Cursed Huntsman: To further encourage creature-type-based synergies, planeswalkers that produce a creature token with a type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 have been removed Jiang Yanggu: To further encourage creature-type-based synergies, planeswalkers that produce a creature token with a type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 have been removed Kiora, Master of the Depths: To further encourage creature-type-based synergies, planeswalkers that produce a creature token with a type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 have been removed Kiora, the Crashing Wave: To further encourage creature-type-based synergies, planeswalkers that produce a creature token with a type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 have been removed Liliana, Dreadhorde General: To further encourage creature-type-based synergies, planeswalkers that produce a creature token with a type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 have been removed Sorin, Solemn Visitor: To further encourage creature-type-based synergies, planeswalkers that produce a creature token with a type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 have been removed Vraska the Unseen: To further encourage creature-type-based synergies, planeswalkers that produce a creature token with a type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 have been removed Wrenn and Seven: To further encourage creature-type-based synergies, planeswalkers that produce a creature token with a type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 have been removed Xenagos, the Reveler: To further encourage creature-type-based synergies, planeswalkers that produce a creature token with a type not supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 have been removed

SORCERY

Avalanche: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Break the Ice: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Essence Infusion: Too weak in power level Farseek: Too much utility for general decks Giant Opportunity: Too narrow Icequake: All snow cards have been cut to remove the inclusion of snow-covered basics when building decks Infernal Contract: Card advantage should require more synergy than this card Reckless Endeavor: Too much variability Strike it Rich: Too weak in power level Three Visits: Too much utility for general decks

ADDS:

ARTIFACT

Relic of Legends: Synergizes well with legendary card type strategies Thopter Shop: Supports the thopter creature type and synergizes well with artifact creature strategies

CREATURE

Ajani's Chosen: Supports the cat creature type and synergizes well with enchantment decks Akim, the Soaring Wind: Supports the bird and dinosaur creature types Augmenting Automaton: Supports the construct creature type while also adding a cheap but scalable threat for black decks Banehound: Supports the nightmare creature type and functions as an aggressive creature for faster decks as well as a lifelink creature for lifegain strategies Be'Lakor, the Dark Master: Supports the demon creature type Bedlam Reveler: Supports the devil and horror creature type and synergizes well with the spells-matter archetype Brightwood Tracker: Supports the elf and scout creature types and offers card advantage at an expensive rate Bronzebeak Moa: Supports the bird creature type Capashen Unicorn: Supports the unicorn creature type Centaur Rootcaster: Supports the centaur creature type and synergizes well with landfall strategies Cloudblazer: Supports the human and scout creature types Deadeye Brawler: Supports the human and pirate creature types Deadeye Plunderers: Supports the human and pirate creature types Deeproot Champion: Supports the merfolk creature type and is a payoff for the spells-matter archetype Denry Klin, Editor in Chief: Supports the cat creature type Deus of Calamity: Supports the avatar and spirit creature types Displacer Kitten: Supports the beast and cat creature types and can be used as a value engine in carefully-constructed decks Divinity of Pride: Supports the avatar and spirit creature types Doom Whisperer: Supports the demon and nightmare creature types and is a solid playable for any black deck Dutiful Replicator: Supports the assembly-worker creature type Electrostatic Infantry: Supports the dwarf creature type and is a payoff for the spells-matter archetype Emperor's Vanguard: Supports the human and scout creature types Falco Spara, Pactweaver: Supports the bird and demon creature types Fathom Fleet Captain: Supports the human and pirate creature types Fathom Fleet Cutthroat: Supports the human and pirate creature types Felidar Guardian: Supports the beast and cat creature types Festival Crasher: Supports the devil creature type and is a payoff for the spells-matter archetype Fiend Artisan: Supports the nightmare creature type and provides a tutor effect that can enable combos or strong synergies Forerunner of the Heralds: Supports the merfolk and scout creature types Frontier Guide: Supports the elf and scout creature types and offers ramp for landfall strategies Gahiji, Honored One: Supports the beast creature type Galvanoth: Supports the beast creature type and synergizes well with the spells-matter archetype Gloomshrieker: Supports the beast and cat creature types and is an enchantment for enchantment-based strategies Gold-Forged Thopteryx: Supports the dinosaur and thopter creature types Good-Fortune Unicorn: Supports the unicorn creature type Greater Gargadon: Supports the beast creature type Grimdancer: Supports the nightmare creature type Harnessed Snubhorn: Supports the dinosaur creature type and is a payoff for artifact or enchantment decks Harvester of Souls: Supports the demon creature type Herald of the Pantheon: Supports the centaur creature type and synergizes well with enchantment-based strategies Huatli's Raptor: Supports the dinosaur creature type and synergizes well with proliferate strategies Hunted Nightmare: Supports the nightmare creature type and has an interesting drawback that might incentivize unique drafting Impetuous Devils: Supports the devil creature type Jetmir, Nexus of Revels: Supports the cat and demon creature types Jori En, Ruin Diver: Supports the merfolk creature type and is a payoff for the spells-matter archetype Kaheera, the Orphanguard: All five creature types meeting Kaheera's companion condition are supported in Cumly Cube 1.2, making this a great pick for many decks Kangee, Sky Warden: Supports the bird creature type Karador, Ghost Chieftain: Supports the centaur and spirit creature type Kiln Fiend: Supports the beast and elemental creature type and is a payoff for the spells-matter archetype Kuro, Pitlord: Supports the demon and spirit creature types Kykar, Wind's Fury: Supports the bird and spirit creature types Lashweed Lurker: Supports the eldrazi and horror creature types Lathiel, the Bounteous Dawn: Supports the unicorn creature type and functions as a solid payoff for lifegain strategies Leyline Prowler: Supports the beast and nightmare creature types and offers utility in the form of deathtouch, lifelink, and mana fixing Lonis, Cryptozoologist: Supports the elf and scout creature types and produces clue tokens for artifact-based strategies or just general value Mahadi, Emporium Master: Supports the cat and devil creature types Marauding Raptor: Supports the dinosaur creature type Memnite: Supports the construct creature type and is a cheap card for artifact-based strategies Messenger Falcons: Supports the bird creature type Mishra's Self-Replicator: Supports the assembly-worker creature type Murasa Rootgrazer: Supports the beast creature type and synergizes well with landfall strategies Nael, Avizoa Aeronaut: Supports the elf and scout creature types and incentivizes multi-color strategies Nightmare Shepherd: Supports the demon and nightmare creature types and is an enchantment for enchantment-based strategies Nihiloor: Supports the horror creature type and synergizes with lifegain strategies Nikya of the Old Ways: Supports the centaur creature type Niv-Mizzet Reborn: Supports the avatar and dragon creature types and incentivizes multi-color strategies Niv-Mizzet, Supreme: Supports the avatar and dragon creature types and incentivizes multi-color strategies Nulltread Gargantuan: Supports the beast creature type Opaline Unicorn: Supports the unicorn creature type and offers utility in the form of mana fixing Ornithopter of Paradise: Supports the thopter creature type and offers mana-fixing for any deck, especially if chosen as a Cumly Overgrown Armasaur: Supports the dinosaur and saproling creature types Pestilence Demon: Supports the demon creature type Phantom Nishoba: Supports the beast, cat, and spirit creature types and synergizes well with lifegain strategies Phantom Tiger: Supports the cat and spirit creature types Pheres-Band Raiders: Supports the centaur creature type and synergizes well with enchantment-based strategies Pink Horror: Supports the demon and horror creature types and is a payoff for the spells-matter archetype Prowling Felidar: Supports the beast and cat creature types and is a payoff for landfall strategies Quirion Ranger: Supports the elf creature type and works well with Stasis Radagast, Wizard of Wilds: Supports the avatar, beast,, and bird creature types Raging Regisaur: Supports the dinosaur creature type Rakdos, Lord of Riots: Supports the demon creature type Rakshasa Deathdealer: Supports the cat and demon creature types Ramirez DePietro, Pillager: Supports the human and pirate creature types Ranging Raptors: Supports the dinosaur archetype and synergizes well with landfall strategies River Hoopoe: Supports the bird creature type and synergizes with lifegain strategies Ronom Unicorn: Supports the unicorn creature type Rune-Scarred Demon: Supports the demon creature type Salvaged Manaworker: Supports the construct creature type while also providing mana-fixing for any deck Scalding Devil: Supports the devil creature type Self-Assembler: Supports the assembly-worker creature type Seton, Krosan Protector: Supports the centaur creature type and synergizes well with decks that contain the druid creature type, a creature type not purposefully supported in Cumly Cube 1.2 but definitely present Shapers of Nature: Supports the merfolk creature type Snapping Sailback: Supports the dinosaur creature type Snubhorn Sentry: Supports the dinosaur creature type Soul of Emancipation: Supports the angel and avatar creature types Soul of Windgrace: Supports the avatar and cat creature types and synergizes well with landfall strategies Species Gorger: Supports the beast creature type Spectral Sailor: Supports the pirate and spirit creature types Svyelun of Sea and Sky: Supports the merfolk creature type Tatyova, Benthic Druid: Supports the merfolk creature type and is a payoff for landfall strategies Thrasta, Tempest's Roar: Supports the dinosaur creature type Tidehollow Strix: Supports the bird creature type Trove Warden: Supports the beast and cat creature types and synergizes well with landfall strategies Tuvasa the Sunlit: Supports the merfolk creature type and is a payoff for enchantment decks Urban Daggertooth: Supports the dinosaur creature type and synergizes well with proliferate strategies Vebulid: Supports the horror creature type and functions as an interesting threat in proliferate decks Vodalian Arcanist: Supports the merfolk creature type and synergizes well with the spells-matter archetype Void Beckoner: Supports the horror and nightmare creature types and can put itself in the graveyard for reanimation strategies Vorel of the Hull Clade: Supports the human and merfolk creature types Walking Atlas: Supports the construct creature type and offers ramp for landfall strategies Watcher of the Spheres: Supports the bird creature type Yarok, the Desecrated: Supports the elemental and horror creature types Ziatora, the Incinerator: Supports the demon and dragon creature types

ENCHANTMENT

Conquer: Further support for land destruction, an archetype encouraged in Cumly Cube 1.2 Detention Sphere: A strong removal spell that can win the game with Worldfire Fungal Plots: Supports the saproling creature type Offspring's Revenge: Possibly a very strong engine in carefully-constructed decks Rumbling Crescendo: Further support for land destruction, an archetype encouraged in Cumly Cube 1.2 Thopter Spy Network: Supports the thopter creature type Trace of Abundance: Offers utility in the form of mana fixing Urban Utopia: Offers utility in the form of mana fixing Verdant Haven: Offers utility in the form of mana fixing

INSTANT

Bedevil: A strong and flexible removal spell Fungal Infection: Supports the saproling creature type Fungal Rebirth: Supports the saproling creature type Schismotivate: A strong combat trick to be aware of in Cumly Cube 1.2 Seed Spark: Supports the saproling creature type Spore Swarm: Supports the saproling creature type Stun: A good tempo play for more aggressive decks

LAND

Dragonskull Summit: Bolsters fixing for non-blue decks Mossfire Valley: Bolsters fixing for non-blue decks Rootbound Crag: Bolsters fixing for non-blue decks Shadowblood Ridge: Bolsters fixing for non-blue decks Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree: Supports the saproling creature type

PLANESWALKER

Aminatou, the Fateshifter: Synergizes well with blinking strategies Angrath, Minotaur Pirate: Supports the pirate creature type Chandra, Pyrogenius: Mainly added to justify the continued inclusion of Chandra's Embercat Chandra, the Firebrand: Mainly added to justify the continued inclusion of Chandra's Embercat Dihada, Binder of Wills: Synergizes well with legendary card type strategies Dovin, Architect of Law: Expensive planeswalkers that don't take over the game but add value are exactly what we want in Cumly Cube 1.2 Huatli, Warrior Poet: Supports the dinosaur creature type Jace, Arcane Strategist: Expensive planeswalkers that don't take over the game but add value are exactly what we want in Cumly Cube 1.2 Liliana of the Dark Realms: Synergizes well with swamps matter strategies, mainly thinking of the powerful engine Dread Presence

SORCERY

Aether Mutation: Supports the saproling creature type Grave Upheaval: Further support for reanimator, an archetype encouraged in Cumly Cube 1.2, and offers utility in the form of mana fixing Lava Flow: Further support for land destruction, an archetype encouraged in Cumly Cube 1.2, as well as unconditional creature removal not normally found in red Summon the School: Supports the merfolk creature type

Psicholat on Counters Evolution

1 year ago

Ouroboros_47 thanks!

On the issue of bigger creatures:

The creatures with Evolve in the deck should be easily triggered, in order of evolution, by Vorel of the Hull Clade `s 4 toughness, a fed Avatar of the Resolute *, and a fat Hydroid Krasis with all the ramp and mana available. Additionally, the increase in counters should be empowered by spells, enchantments, and creature abilities (Vorel and Zameck Guildmage, hell even by lands. I thought of options of bigger creatures, but wanted them cheap to make the deck quicker - hence the lands in the maybe which for 2/3 mana can put on the table 0/6 or even 0/7 certainly triggering Evolve. Sticking with the first option tho for now.

On the suggestions:

I like the Pelt Collector!! Its cheap and it should be easy to "evolve", and trample is a nice addition as it also fits the theme of the deck. Thanks! I will pass on the Geist tho, I feel there are other better options.

Thanks!!

_Delta_ on Simic Lands

1 year ago

Glad to be of help! It was late and I realized after I suggested still a few things you had already included but by a later point couldn't go back to edit them. I admit I never got into asking some questions perhaps on the exact power level or anything like that but I get why you might not wish to add some of these. I use all the ones named regarding that self-mill strategy (Laboratory Maniac etc) in a Kruphix, God of Horizons deck I have which is capable of some explosive plays when I start generating ridiculous amounts of mana and or cast something like Omniscience with ways to draw a crazy amount of cards. But it also plays a bunch of big creatures like the Eldrazi if I want to win in a more straightforward, combat-focused way. I get the appeal of wanting to build up a big boardstate, and Simic colours are great for that.

I'll also just say that I started Magic back in approx 2013 and was the colour pair I fell in love with for deckbuilding and during my first little while with the game me and some friends played at a pretty casual level too. In fact, before I even knew much of anything about all the various formats, I played a Simic deck which was like 80 cards filled with stuff like an Arcanis the Omnipotent with multiple ways to untap it and some other things with useful activated abilities, a playset of Roil Elementals which I protected with counterspells and Archetype of Endurance (they were fun to use alongside Explosive Vegetation and similar effects), Lifeblood Hydra, Horizon Chimera were others, and finally some goodies like Prophet of Kruphix (rip its commander banning) and later additions like Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger.

Some of this became a Vorel of the Hull Clade commander deck for a while, but I still really always liked the theme of lands early on which is why I made a Lord Windgrace deck and now most recently an Omnath, Locus of Creation deck.

And having a lot of lands can be made to work, it's for one thing unfortunate that many of the cards in this theme which allow you to play extra lands from hand or graveyard are so costly even despite some reprints so there were a lot of ideas I skipped suggesting. I still think you should keep an eye out for Ramunap Excavator if you have a good chance to acquire one because you do have a significant number of lands which either can be sacrificed, cycled, or in some way become a creature and at some point die, so having another way to earn a few more back could be useful outside of World Shaper, Splendid Reclamation, and The Mending of Dominaria which I see is nonetheless your general gameplan.

Some of my decks which can be seen on my profile are complete / nearly fully owned, but yet others I build them how I want them to be eventually a little later and I definitely get wanting to make choices that are budget friendly with myself still as a student. I have for one thing been smart or simply gotten lucky and picked up a lot of cards from buying/trades when they were either cheap / reprinted over the years which has made a few of my decks creep up in price now (my best example of this was acquiring a Sliver Queen for $100 CAD worth of trades (approx $76 US) like five years ago. Anyway, if I do think of more stuff which could be of use here I'll let you know btw!

Silly-Go-Round on But I wanna play Hydras [Help Needed]

2 years ago

Stuff I'd consider in no particular order.

Nature's Lore

Voracious Hydra

Steelbane Hydra - this one in particular has what you're looking for in enchantment hate, but I'll have a section specifically for that too.

Curse of the Swine

Hydroid Krasis - a little above your price range, but a fantastic hydra.

Elementalist's Palette

Lifeblood Hydra - just under 10 bucks, definitely a solid upgrade.

Vorel of the Hull Clade

Evolution Sage

Death Denied

Three Visits

Skyshroud Claim

Explosive Vegetation

Exponential Growth

Greater Good

Unbound Flourishing

I'd also consider looking up all the different duals that show up in sultai and picking up some of the cheaper ones? I google "word for the color identity of the deck I'm playing and dual lands" and theres a few sites there generally with prices. Also going up like, 3/4 more lands since 33 seems slim and you don't have a lot of mana rocks/dorks to shore that up.

enchantment removal I've used/like/I think would be good here.

Krosan Grip

Gaze of Granite

Pest Infestation

Sultai Charm

Maelstrom Pulse

Molder

Windgrace's Judgment

As for stuff I'd cut.

Edge of Autumn - theres better ramp cards and I suggested a few above

Grow from the Ashes - see above

Font of Fertility - see above

Frontier Siege - this seems kinda medium if all were doing with it is adding 2 extra mana, I like that it's modal but you're never going to pick that mode since we don't have a lot of flyers in hydras.

Icy Blast - I see where you're coming from with this, and I think it could definitely put in work, but I also feel like theres probably either hard removal that you could play for the same amount of mana that would make this useful, or something similar.

Personally I'd also cut the counter spells for more stuff that draws/removes but I understand why they're here.

I hope this helps, sorry if it's long winded, and good luck with the list!!

Wendithewendigo on LGBTQ+ in the multiverse

2 years ago

It seems like a good idea, but it could be too wordy to explain on a card. Could it be doubled by things like Vorel of the Hull Clade? If not then what is it, because then it's not a counter. The text would need to be very long and specific.

TefflonDice on Let's See

2 years ago

New cards arrived today - woot!

Only a handful of replacements

Artifacts Out: Simic Locket , Manalith in Replicating Ring , Cosmos Elixir

Creatures Out: Trollbred Guardian , Whiptongue Hydra , Vorel of the Hull Clade , Sharktocrab , Progenitor Mimic and Biomancer's Familiar

Joining the team (from my MTGA Brawl deck)

The Tarrasque , Wandering Archaic  Flip , Tanazir Quandrix , Volo, Guide to Monsters , Thorn Mammoth and Kogla, the Titan Ape.

Nothing crazy as I'm trying to keep this deck fun with a chance to win out of no where. Hence the decks name :)

Any ideas are welcome!

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