Woodfall Primus

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Quest Magic Legal

Woodfall Primus

Creature — Treefolk Shaman

Trample

When this enters the battlefield, destroy target noncreature permanent.

Persist (When this dies, if there were no -1/-1 counters on this, return this to the battlefield under this creature's owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on this.)

Gidgetimer on Did Saffi Eriksdotter really die?

1 month ago

That -6 is pretty busted. Undying would stop Geralf's Messenger shenanigans in an Abzan deck, but would also enable Woodfall Primus shenanigans. Granting recursion abilities is pretty strong overall because they are pretty easy to bust wide open.

llamahero on Treasure Zoo

1 month ago

Infinite-ish Combat: Hellkite Charger + Savage Ventmaw

Infinite Combat #1: Hellkite Charger+Savage Ventmaw+Wulfgar of Icewind Dale with infinite /

Infinite Combat #2: Hellkite Charger + Grand Warlord Radha + 5 additional creatures. More than 5 additional makes infinite /

Infinite Combat Extras:

-add Azra Oddsmaker or Gallia of the Endless Dance to draw entire deck.

-add Ognis, the Dragon's Lash for infinite tapped treasures

-add Professional Face-Breaker for infinite untapped treasures and impulse draws

-add Legion Warboss for infinite hasty Goblin 1/1 R

Shock Persist Combo: Murderous Redcap + Falkenrath Aristocrat or Immersturm Predator + Grumgully, the Generous or Rhythm of the Wild, choosing +1/+1

Bramblecrush Persist Combo: Woodfall Primus + Falkenrath Aristocrat or Immersturm Predator + Grumgully, the Generous or Rhythm of the Wild, choosing +1/+1

Persist Combo Extra:

Ca1m_down on BlitzKrieg

1 month ago

Hey, cool list. I think there are a couple of different ways of building Henzie and I feel like you have a couple of different ideas going on here. Here are my thoughts on the different themes you can focus on that synergize with Henzie's abilities:

Cost reduction (making big impactful creature cost as little as possible to cast multiple in a turn every turn) Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma, Nylea, Keen-Eyed, Cloud Key, The Immortal Sun, Marauding Raptor, Heartless Summoning, Krosan Drover, Goblin Anarchomancer, Semblance Anvil

"Blink" (lots of undying, persist, and plenty of "Feign Death" effects to maximize etb/dies triggers and keep the creatures after blitz) Cauldron of Souls, Conjurer's Closet, Kaya's Ghostform, Supernatural Stamina, Blood for Bones, Undying Malice, Minion's Return, Demonic Gifts, Abnormal Endurance, Unholy Indenture, Return to Action, Fake Your Own Death, Flayer of the Hatebound, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, Puppeteer Clique, Woodfall Primus, Murderous Redcap, Faceless Butcher

Value Town (maximize card advantage, keep the cards flowing, recursion, keep non-creature count low) Guardian Project, The Great Henge, Greater Good, Lifeblood Hydra, Demonlord Belzenlok, Gorex, the Tombshell, Deadwood Treefolk, Acolyte of Affliction, Evolutionary Leap

I think doing a combination of these three things is solid, but I'd recommend focusing on one and trying to keep the game plan somewhat focused. My brew leans towards Value Town.

Things in your current list that I'm a little skeptical of:

Sundial of the Infinite I think since Henzie is only giving us a small mana discount, this would just be used as a weird "your creatures have haste". I think you often want to take advantage of the "when this dies, draw" rather than 1+ mana cost reduction.

Deathreap Ritual This doesn't trigger if your creatures are dying in your end step to blitz, creatures need to die before the end step for the Ritual trigger to go on the stack. Even if that wasn't the case, I feel like it's better in decks where you're the one making sure it's triggering on each of your opponents turns. What Henzie is doing doesn't really help with doing that. I feel like Moldervine Reclamation would be similar in concept, but more synergistic once the deck is going (but I also don't think it's worth an inclusion).

Living Death How are you filling your yard? Henzie doesn't get cards into your yard very quickly. I think the is a card that fits better in decks that are doing plenty of looting and self milling. It's very likely the other graveyard players will benefit more than you when you cast this.

Most of your creatures that are less than 4 cmc don't seem like they do enough with Henzie to take a slot. I think you'd be better off if your CMC<4 mana stuff was non-creatures that ramp and/or setup for your game plan. I can understand the sac outlet ones if you're really taking advantage of the instant speed aspect, but most of the time you're having to sac end of turn anyway, so I think it'd be better to take advantage of the better payoff of the non-creature sac outlets (like Evo Leap, Vampiric Rites, the various Altars, Greater Good, etc.) As far as mana dorks, I feel like 2 mana ramp spells will help more in the long run. I don't think Henzie is powerful enough of a turn 2 play to risk losing mana sources to pings and/or wraths.

All that being said, it's great seeing other peoples takes on Henzie. I've certainly gained a bunch from reading your comment on my decklist and thinking critically about yours. I'll try and keep my list updated as I play it more. It's been a blast so far. If I didn't already have a black based "blink" deck I think I'd probably lean Henzie towards that strat. :)

Gidgetimer on Custom commander Sewer Slime

3 months ago

To address your general speed problem, you are running 33 lands and 6 ramp with an average CMC of 3.57. This is entirely too mana light in my opinion. In my Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons deck I also run 33 lands, but have 11 ramp and an average CMC of 3.10. The ramp that I run that isn't in here is: Birds of Paradise, Devoted Druid, Llanowar Elves, Golgari Signet, Three Visits, Nature's Lore, and Wild Growth. Farseek always puts the land in tapped, so I run Three Visits and Nature's Lore over it since they grab the same duals. I'm not sure why I don't have STE in my list, though it runs well enough that I am not looking for more ramp. Since your average CMC is higher you may want to go with 13 ramp and just keep the ones you have and add all 5 of the additions.

To help with having sac fodder you are going to want creatures that recur themselves. You already have Reassembling Skeleton, but undying and persist would also let you recycle creatures for multiple activations. Puppeteer Clique, Rendclaw Trow, Woodfall Primus, Young Wolf, Strangleroot Geist, Geralf's Messenger, and Butcher Ghoul are all fine includes in a deck that wants to kill off it's own creatures in some way. Mikaeus, the Unhallowed will also grant all of your non-human creatures undying.

Burst card draw can be achieved with the black cards for life sorceries (Night's Whisper, Sign in Blood, Read the Bones, Ancient Craving). You can sustain card draw with Smothering Abomination, Phyrexian Arena, Skullclamp and Necropotence.

I think you could do with a few more sacrifice outlets as well, so I would add Viscera Seer and Phyrexian Altar. Viscera Seer also provides card filtering.

The following topics will help improve the deck in terms of pure strength, but may not be how you or your playgroup is wanting to play magic. Everyone's idea of fun is different, so I am going to include the suggestions in case they are something that both you and your group find acceptable.

Above some cards were mentioned that have the possibility to combo with cards already in the deck or with each other. Each card however is good in its own right and does not have to be used in the combos. If you are willing to go combo with the deck I will further explain these and also add some other cards specifically for the purpose of combos.

Yawgmoth and two undying creatures create a loop where you sacrifice the undying creatures in order to put -1/-1 counters on each other. It costs a life per iteration, but would give you the death triggers for your commander and for Gutter Grime. Adding in Blood Artist, Zulaport Cutthroat, or other similar effects gains you the life back and turns the loop into a win condition.

Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and any of the persist creatures allow for infinite sacrifice loops as the creature will come back with alternating +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters. Walking Ballista and Triskelion combo with Mikaeus and allow for infinite damage loops, in the case of Ballista you need a sacrifice outlet though. Things that enter with -1/-1 counters or that allow you to remove their +1/+1 counters for other reasons will also have similar interactions without the infinite damage.

With Devoted Druid you can add in Quillspike for shenanigans with infinite power Quillspike via tapping for green, untapping by putting a -1/-1 counter, adding power by paying green and removing the -1/-1 counter. This can be done with necrotic ooze as a 1-card combo if both pieces are in your graveyard. You can also get infinite death triggers by repeatedly killing Devoted Druid with Mikaeus out by activating the untap ability when she is not tapped.

Instead of card number advantage from drawing you could get card quality advantage from tutoring. In Golgari you have access to the best creature tutors and the best all around tutors available. Eldritch Evolution, Green Sun's Zenith, Worldly Tutor, and Finale of Devastation for creatures. Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, and Grim Tutor for all around.

GangstaFranksta on Red Green Black EDH

6 months ago

Cheap permenants that you can lay down with Vaevectis or other similar cards that then also give you mana: Wood Elves, Farhaven Elf, and Solemn Simulacrum and Yavimaya Elder also lets you draw so you can sac him with Asmadi for a profit. For similar "when permanent enters the battlefield" effect maybe Reclamation Sage and Acidic Slime.

Consider creating tokens to sac with Asmadi as well: Dragonlair Spider and Grave Titan

Asmadi is always a huge threat so you'll have to keep him safe with cards like Sylvan Safekeeper Swiftfoot Boots and Whispersilk Cloak.

Chaos Warp is a staple of jund and you could use it if someone tries to get rid of Asmadi. Deathsprout and Decimate are really good jund removal cards as well. Primal Surge is a lot of mana but a good alternative win condition.

Also assuming that Asmaldi gets to stay on the field then here are some good cards that let you make sure whatever you get with him is good: Augur of Autumn, Haunted Crossroads, Hua Tuo, Honored Physician, Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire, Brutalizer Exarch, Courser of Kruphix, Vizier of the Menagerie, Crystal Ball, and Call of the Wild. On the other hand, here are some cards to make sure whatever your opponents get from Asmaldi isn't good: Painful Memories, Agonizing Memories.

Then here are some big creatures you could get for free with Asmaldi: Woodfall Primus, Borborygmos Enraged, Kodama of the East Tree, and Artisan of Kozilek. Lurking Predators is also useful for this feature as well as setting up what's on top of your deck.

Mortuary Mire is probably a good addition to the deck as well.

Neotrup on Replacement effect? (Cauldron of Souls, …

6 months ago

Because Grumgully, the Generous's ability is a replacement effect, it won't give counters to creatures entering at the same time. That said, your example is not two creatures entering at the same time. If two creatures with persist controlled by the same player die at the same time, both persist triggers trigger and the controller chooses the order to out them on the stack. The creatures return one at a time, sequentially. You can have Grumgully return first so that Woodfall Primus enters with both counters (which then both get removed). Your opponent could also kill Grumgully between the persist triggers resolving to try and stop this.

Vall on Replacement effect? (Cauldron of Souls, …

6 months ago

Player A attacks Player B

Player B Taps Cauldron of Souls, giving his Grumgully, the Generous Persist, then he blocks with both his Grumgully and his Woodfall Primus, they both die and reccur with persist.

What happens?

A: Grumgully gives Woodfall Primus a +1/+1 counter, negating the -1/-1 counter. B: Grumgully can't give Woodfall Primus a +1/+1 counter because they enter the battlefield at the same time.

-Due Dilligence Below-

What I've gathered is; rule (603.6a) states that ETB-triggers are checked for all creatures, including the newcomers.

However, Replacement effects (614) override this, and cannot target/trigger of creatures that enter simultaneously (according to this post https://boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/24382/what-happens-when-multiple-canker-abominations-enter-the-battlefield-simultaneou )

I am confused if Grumgully's ability would be considered a replacement effect? If it is, WHY is it considered a replacement effect?

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