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Land — Forest Plains
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As Temple Garden enters the battlefield, you may pay 2 life. If you don't, Temple Garden enters the battlefield tapped.
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Temple Garden Discussion
11 hours ago
Here are some suggestions that aren't all a million dollars
- Windswept Heath - Blossoming Sands
- Wooded Foothills or Marsh Flats - Vivid Grove
- Bloodstained Mire or Verdant Catacombs - Golgari Guildgate
- Temple Garden - Selesnya Guildgate
- Overgrown Tomb - Temple of the False God
- Godless Shrine - Scoured Barrens
- Aura Mutation - Artifact Mutation
- Mortify - Vindicate
- Putrefy - Abrupt Decay
- Mentor of the Meek - Abzan Battle Priest
- Deathrite Shaman - Abzan Falconer
- Demonic Tutor - Sterling Grove
- Vampiric Rites - Necrogenesis
- Phyrexian Arena - Explosive Vegetation
4 days ago
When planning a mana base, you need to find the most demanding cards to cast in each of your colours, then make sure you have enough sources of each colour to match those requirements. Frank Karsten wrote an article showcasing these requirements, if you don't want to bother with hypergeometric probabilities. It's often acceptable to be a few sources short, depending on the situation. For example, in your previous list, you had Wall of Frost, which normally requires 19 blue sources to reliably cast on turn three, but my previous suggested mana base had 17 sources, since this card wasn't integral to your game plan, and the rest of the colour wasn't as demanding. (Looking back, I could even have shaved off a few more, since it was a singleton.) Lands count as one source of every colour they produce, and you can count fetchlands as five-colour lands, if you have the right shocklands to go with them. For basic lands, the guideline I generally follow is: if I had all the basic lands in my deck in play, and no other lands, would I be able to cast every single spell in my deck?
Looking at your revised decklist, the mana base I would suggest is the following (cutting two Wall of Vines for two lands):
As you can see, this list has 17 sources of green (higher than the minimum 14, but helpful in case you need to cast Chord of Calling with few creatures), 13 sources of white (this is one short for a turn one Perimeter Captain, but it's only a two-of and other one-drops take priority), 13 sources of blue (one higher than the minimum 12 to help transmute Drift of Phantasms without creatures, but a reliable transmute would require blue sources), and 10 sources of black (one higher than the minimum 9 because of Doran, the Siege Tower in the boardI would go up to 12 black sources had it been in the main). I assume the two copies of By Force are a meta call. You didn't need sources other than your creatures for this when it was in the board, but if it's main, then I suggest putting in one Stomping Ground (or Cinder Glade; again, all dual lands can be substituted to fit your budget).
It's pretty old, but you can check this video for an example of the application of the principles listed above. (Keep in mind that, since he goes by experience rather than mathematics, his numbers are a bit off; e.g. you should have around 16 sources of red to cast Stormbreath Dragon on turn five.)
In any case, by taking Doran, the Siege Tower out of the main and upping the number of copies of Freed from the Real, I assume you're transitioning from a beatdown plan primary with a backup combo to full-on combo with a beatdown secondary in Assault Formation, in which case I recommend you swap out Wall of Vines for Wall of Shards.
5 days ago
If you wanted an ideal manabase, considering the composition of the deck as it is now, with the same number of lands, I'd say it would resemble this:
If you want, you can substitute all the dual lands with budget options of your choice, but in that case, I recommend having at least Canopy Vista, Prairie Stream, and Sunken Hollow (or Scattered Groves, Irrigated Farmland, and Fetid Pools), so you can get them with the fetchlands you already have.
6 days ago
From your description in the EDH forum thread it sounds like your group isn't playing enough mass disruption to break up board states. Your commander is indestructible, less than a fifth of your deck is creatures and only half of them really matter beyond ETBs, you're set up to play wrath heavy. Wrath of God, Austere Command, Winds of Rath, Day of Judgment, and Rout are crazy efficient in multiplayer. In you have enough answers to spot-exile/disenchant problem targets that you don't need to crack yourself with more broad/powerful wipes like Hour of Devastation or Hallowed Burial.
I know wraths are scary when you're coming from another format, but this is multiplayer against decks built to go long and you control when/if you play them. Quarantine Field would cost to hit a single target for each of 3 players, Wrath hits every single one of their creatures for half that and gets around shroud/hexproof.
Beyond that, here's some suggestions for threats and cuts. There's a lot so I'll hold back on justifying them unless asked.
- Summer Bloom < Explore - A card like this needs to replace itself with a draw. Chance of Summer Bloom being a dead/inefficient draw at any given point in the game is too high
- Zendikar Resurgent < Mirari's Wake - You don't have many cast triggers for creatures, tokens will benefit from the buff
- Awakening < Brave the Sands / Radiant Destiny / Sight of the Scalelords - Better that your creatures just have vigilance than giving everyone on the table a free Seedborn Muse
- Oath of the Ancient Wood < Ancestral Mask / Ethereal Armor
- Restock < Greenwarden of Murasa / Eternal Witness / Praetor's Counsel
- Rampant Growth < Kodama's Reach / Cultivate / Nature's Lore / Three Visits - The first two are coveted for giving you two cards for one, if you wanna stay with the lower CMC the latter two can hit Savannah, Canopy Vista, or Temple Garden if you ever pick one up
- Nyx-Fleece Ram
- Helix Pinnacle - Cute, but a complete dead draw in terms of impact on board state, and impotent in a vacuum. You can win for less than = 101, and yes that includes an optimal situation with mana doubles and effects like Awakening
- Kismet / Blind Obedience - You've said they're filler, which they pretty much are if you aren't building around them
- Words of Wilding / Words of Worship - You're way too concerned about decking out. If the cards you're drawing are less helpful than a 2/2 or 5 life you need to cut those cards
That's a lot of words, I hope you find some of them helpful!
1 week ago
I am super grateful for all your amazing feedback. I'm going to update my list, since this is just what I remembered from memory, and some of your suggestions are actually already in my deck (such as Steelshaper's Gift and Umezawa's Jitte).
Cards such as Sylvan Library and Enlightened Tutor due to budget restrictions. See, I have a second equipment deck that has my only copies of some cards, such as Enlightened Tutor, Puresteel Paladin, Masterwork of Ingenuity, Stonehewer Giant, and Sigarda's Aid. I also know I have a Temple Garden back at my old house, which I need to go get as soon as possible. I will now update my deck to what it really is, and I would love any other suggestions!
1 week ago
Since you run Karametra, God of Harvests, have you considered Rhonas the Indomitable? Any Cat + Eminence = Rhonas the Indomitable can attack! 5/5 deathtouch, indestructible that can give trample to your Voltron cat! That's tempo.
Hammer of Nazahn is key to a Voltron strategy, especially the Bloodforged Battle-Axe. I would run an Eladamri's Call to pull Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith who can pull Hammer of Nazahn to the battlefield. It can also pull a Dryad Arbor as a modular / ramp spell too.
With so many artifacts you need a Puresteel Paladin, 1) He draws you a card when you play an artifact, that is amazing 2) He makes equip costs ! 3) With Leonin Shikari you can manipulate equipment at will. Add an Ancient Den and Tree of Tales gives you 2 more artifacts that you play as lands to get to the metalcraft on Puresteel Paladin. Sigarda's Aid also enables Voltron.
Parallel Lives (like Anointed Procession) is a CMC4 Doubling Season, won't double Fleecemane Lion monstrosity, but thats such a small sacrifice for the mana. There's also Primal Vigor but it's the same CMC as Doubling Season anyway.
Path to Exile is an awesome removal and a modular ramp if you need it as well (and have a creature).
Skyhunter Skirmisher is a nice built-in Doublestrike, which is awesome with equipments (especially ones with trample), but he does have a High CMC.
Sword of Light and Shadow and the protection: makes it so you can't use the Eminence ability on the equipped creature. Maybe worth it for the recursion but keep that in mind.
I really dislike Sword of Vengeance, I've read all the articles on it, I don't think the equip makes this viable. I'd almost always rather have a Chariot of Victory in most cases, or in this case probably a Umezawa's Jitte.
Lost Leonin is a nice cat, with Ajani, Caller of the Pride + Eminence he eliminates a player with 10 infect. I personally use other Doublestrike enablers like Silverblade Paladin and Berserk + several other creature tutors to try and get him off quite early. Understand if you don't like the infect mechanic, but I would think about him, with Eminence he's a 2-turn timer as well.
Steelshaper's Gift can help get some consistency on pulling Swiftfoot Boots or the such to your hand. Lightning Greaves also doesn't work with the Eminence trigger, I decided the upside of the equip wasn't worth the Shroud. Also once you put a Lightning Greaves onto a cat, you can't equip anything else to it (due to shroud). If you have another creature you can Equip it off then Equip the other Equip, then Re-Equip it for , but leaves him unprotected for a second, and requires control of a second creature. When your playing Voltron, you usually don't have a bunch, but maybe you have tokens. Just thought I would mention anyway.
Stoneforge Mystic is amazing, on a similar note Stonehewer Giant requires an immediate response too. I've found him a high threat level, and once out I'm just pulling solutions, like: Protection from , Trample, Lifelink, Deathtouch, Etc, whatever is needed to overcome the current blocking / board position, instant speed, and instant equip. Doesn't get much better than that!
I'd have to confirm, but I don't think Nacatl War-Pride extra tokens enter attacking, I think they just double the tokens but lose the attacking. They doubled ones may stay though, but might be exiled still, I would look into it. If they don't attack and don't stay, I'm not sure I would run him.
Not sure Ajani Unyielding is worth the mana cost, but, he does draw cards which is never a bad thing.
With more tutors, I found that I don't need to run both Behemoth Sledge and Loxodon Warhammer because instead I could just always tutor Loxodon Warhammer when I would have drawn Behemoth Sledge to get more consistent use of the more powerful equipments. But you've got some mass mana ramping going on here might not matter.
2 weeks ago
Creatures I would recommend for this deck would include Sigarda, Host of Herons, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Herald of War and a couple of value angels like Baneslayer Angel or Archangel of Tithes. Angel of Jubilation shuts down a lot of decks that are black or sacrifice intensive.
Instants and sorceries I would include if you want to consistently get Avacyn out include Worldly Tutor, Eladamri's Call, possibly Traverse the Ulvenwald, Green Sun's Zenith and any other similar creature tutors.
Removal in white is really good so things such as Swords to Plowshares and Path to Exile are staples in white for commander, if you plan to run Avacyn then some more board wipes would be a good idea (i.e. Hour of Revelation, Austere Command). Decree of Justice while ok is a bit costly in terms of mana. A strictly better card would be Entreat the Angels for the cost of 6 mana into decree you only get 1 angel, for the cost of 5 you get one angel with entreat, and for 6 with miracle you get 4 angels with entreat.
cards to take out include Blessed Light (simply better removal out there), Mirror Gallery (the lack of copy creature spells make this one obsolete in this deck), Untamed Kavu (not enough versatility or utility), Evra, Halcyon Witness (doesn't quite fit into this deck unless there is a combo I am unaware of), Divine Reckoning (better board wipes out there), Marwyn, the Nurturer (not enough elves to fully utilise the ability), Daring Archaeologist (you most likely won't be able to cast enough historic spells to make this guy big enough), Steel Leaf Champion (good beatstick, only problem is the extremely intensive green cost) and at least one land (preferably a land that just enters tapped and does nothing else).
some recommended staples for angel theme would be Grand Abolisher that way people cannot immediately counter or remove your spells, Urza's Incubator, Angels usually have very high mana costs so them costing 2 less is very beneficial. If you are unable to shut down the board entirely with Avacyn and Shalai, there is another solution but I warn you, people who run mono colour will hate it: Iona, Shield of Emeria. A card so obnoxious even I wonder why it hasn't been banned in EDH yet. it is basically night night for mono colour decks and if you can find a way to copy it (Cough Cough Helm of the Host Cough Cough) then your opponents had better pray they have colourless removal or run a colourless deck.
Also needs some card draw too, cards such as Howling Mine or Font of Mythos can help, if you're feeling nice. However if you want to be terrifyingly evil, then use something like Mind's Eye. some card draw spells I would recommend are Harmonize, Greater Good, Rishkar's Expertise and Abundance.
Overall this does seem like it could be potentially the meanest deck at any EDH table, any game featuring angels and/or Avacyn are bound to be very slow and oppressive, the one thing angels are famous for is being oppressive as hell (for reference look at Iona or Linvala). A good number of creatures for angel tribal is 26-29 creatures with about 3 of them being supporting creatures (case example being grand abolisher or eternal witness, maybe an Aven Mindcensor to be even more oppressive) of course the mana dorks can also help as well, in this deck I would say a good number is about 32 creatures with a maximum of 7 supporting units. I am curious as to how oppressive this deck can potentially get in a game. Good Luck finishing this. I can guarantee angel tribal is a very fun thing to do.
2 weeks ago
Thinking about tweaking the landbase to have just a few more basics. Going to playtest dropping 1x Overgrown Tomb and 1x Temple Garden for a basic Forest and basic Plains. That way I can cast almost my whole deck (no red, but I don't think I can afford to run a basic mountain).