Mortlocke Real Life Sliver Overlord

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My dear fellow hivemate, it is with deep regret that I must inform you that Paradox Engine was banned. Why? Probably because the Rules Committee didn't want to ban Urza, High Lord Artificer so they targeted our precious Engine instead.

odd deck description. But feels appropriate for an Evil Bill Murray.

I'm a big fan of Phyrexia, so +1 from me on principle. BUuuuuuuuuut I can't help but be disappointed at your lack of an actual deck description. Don't do our best gal dirty. She deserves better. My suggestion for a simple description is the turn 0 talk which can be done in 3 steps:

1. You describe the theme of your deck - This Atraxa deck is all about abusing +1/+1 counters with multiple proliferation triggers per turn. As a sub theme you run all the praetors for a soft lock on the board.

2. The deck threatens to win between turns x and y on a consistent basis and uses certain controversial cards (e.g. Show and Tell, Ichor Rats etc.) - basically you list off all of the salt causing cards in your deck - but you don't have to give away any game winning combos.

3. Ultimately you ask the playgroup - are you okay with this? (obviously this part you don't have to do for your deck description - but it is something you would ask if you were to introduce your deck to a playgroup) If you want to go even further I always recommend Epochalyptik's Do you want to write a primer?

I'll just...leave this here. Feels appropriate. +1 for...uh...invisible assailants or something.

I'm a big fan of Phyrexia, so +1 from me on principle. BUuuuuuuuuut I can't help but be disappointed at your lack of a deck description. Don't do our best gal dirty. She deserves better. My suggestion for a simple description is:

1. You describe the theme of your deck - This Atraxa deck is all about abusing +1/+1 counters with multiple proliferation triggers per turn. As a sub theme you run all the praetors for a soft lock on the board.

2. The deck threatens to win between turns x and y on a consistent basis and uses certain controversial cards (e.g. papa clex, ole jinny, side chick, and Bae etc.) - basically you list off all of the salt causing cards in your deck - but you don't have to give away any game winning combos.

3. Ultimately you ask the playgroup - are you okay with this?

Within the context of your deck description though, all you need to abide to are just 1 and 2. BUT if you want to go even further I always recommend Epochalyptik's Do you want to write a primer?

CrimsonWings3689 - I'll acknowledge your point that the slivers in question - diffusion and mariner can serve as a viable early on deterrent. BUT if an opponent deems a Sliver too problematic then the tax stops nothing. There just isn't enough support for this pillow fort style deterrent strategy in Sliver tribal EDH.

I want to respond to a scenario you described:

"Suddenly, your opponent has to pay well beyond what they'll ever have with X spells to target more than one of your slivers. Suddenly they have to devote their entire turn to taking one of your pieces out instead of advancing their boardstate at the same time. That's not even to mention other options like Heroic Intervention that can add additional protection to your strategy."

It's very farfetched that making an opponent spend extra for one (likely) low cost removal spell is going to prevent said opponent from advancing their boardstate for a turn. They could very easily cast some ramp or a rock and still have mana left over to pay the tax in addition to the removal. This is EDH, not standard - players having an abundance of mana to spend is a regular occurrence in the format.

Now, i'm considering the discussed slivers in silo - Heroic Intervention can add additional protection to any strategy. There's no argument there. But in the situation when you have only diffusion and mariner on the board...then you only have a light deterrent at best. Again, they're unfit for EDH. Interaction will serve The_Munchkin and you better in these card slots - especially countermagics.

LetsTapDatMana, not a problem - I abide by the turn 0 talk. Whenever I sit down at a table I always make it a point to do the previously mentioned. It helps set the expectation of the game informing your opponents - and avoiding any bad feels if you were to smack the table with something high in sodium like papa clex. Oh, and if you want to write a more expanded deck description I always recommend Epochalyptik's Do you want to write a primer?

I'm a big fan of Phyrexia, so +1 from me on principle alone. BUuuuuuuuuut I can't help but be disappointed at your lack of a deck description. Don't do him dirty, Volrath deserves better. My suggestion for a simple description is:

1. You describe the themes of your deck - This volrath deck is all about creature stealing, counters, proliferation, etc.
2. The deck threatens to win between turns x and y on a consistent basis and uses certain contorversial cards (e.g. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, etc.) - basically you list off all of the salt causing cards in your deck - but you don't have to give away any combos and synergies.
3. Ultimately you ask the playgroup - are you okay with this?

Awesome deck description!

CrimsonWings3689 - I maintain that Diffusion Sliver is not a good sliver in a Singleton format. If an opponent really needed to get rid of a Gemhide Sliver or something essential for you to combo off, then the extra is a paltry price to pay in addition to the for Swords to Plowshares, or the for Beast Within, or even the for Terminate. Alot of instant removal in EDH is fairly low cost to begin with. Sure, there's a chance that an opponent wouldn't be able to pay - but three? The odds aren't in your favor if you're relying solely on Diffusion.

The previously mentioned Sliver was designed for a format where you can have more than one in your deck. Paying an extra isn't so bad, but ? ? Not feasible. I think you're wasting a slot by including this Sliver - put in some interaction in it's place - Forbid, Arcane Denial, Unwind, Heroic Intervention, Teferi's Protection - something. You need a hard answer for a hard question - not a Hopefully or maybe they can't pay the . Including Unsettled Mariner is an okay step up - but the lack of consistency (how often are you going to get both on the field) and cost (are you seriously going to tutor for both?) to get each Sliver on the field just isn't worth it. The cost seriously outweighs the benefits. You're better off having some interaction in this slot.

Wicker, I hope so as well. Infect is a parasitic mechanic that resides on the island of misfit toys. I hope a bunch of parasitic mechanics get some love in the upcoming Commander Legends set. Oh, and I need to clarifiy my thoughts on Farseek - previously I said "My only hesitation regarding Farseek is that the tutored land always comes in tapped." but upon looking at Kodama's Reach again - the basic land also comes into play tapped. The only real down side is that I don't get to put another land in the grip - guaranteeing a land drop next turn. But Farseek does allow me to fetch an OG Dual. It's tough to weigh the pros and cons here - one offers more versatility, the other offers more consistency. I think i'm going to go with my gut and lean more toward consistency.

TheMr42, honestly Growing Rites of Itlimoc  ^Flip was the budget swap in for Gaea's Cradle. There are relatively few cards in magic that can do what Cradle does. Now, depending on your build Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx can be an honorable mention as devotion can really add up under the right circumstances - but unfortunately now that card is about $20-ish dollars.

Oh, and one more thing. You should fix your deck tags. I think you meant to tag your deck as a "Voltron" deck, not a "Tron" (or Urzatron) deck. Tron is a modern deck archetype that involves the use of Urza's Mine, Urza's Power Plant and Urza's Tower to generate large amounts of mana. Voltron however is the archetype that involves casting one creature and buffing it with all the equipment/auras/whatever to make it a big threat (queue the Ivan Drago steriods scene from Rocky IV.)

Now that is a nice deck description. Definitely worth the +1 I gave it earlier. What turns do you think your deck can consistently threaten to win? It sounds like on a rare occassion it can go off early - like turns 4-6, but typically threatens to end players at about turns 6 to 8. These are all guesses, mind you - you're the one who plays it. How does it stack up in your local meta? Is it strong? Do you find yourself consistently in a politically weak position?

Additional note, if you want to expand on your deck description even more, I suggest reading Epochalyptik's Do you want to write a Primer?

AntiRivet, I think Urza, High Lord Artificer is to blame for the banning of Engine - that's why I say Phyrexia is bestia. But uh...yeah I've never played against a Nin deck before - but all my comments on her face it was all in jest. I wasn't trying to insult your deck or anything. Sometimes it's hard to communicate intent through text alone.

Unha110w3d, ACK! I need to read your decklist more closely. Sorry to make that mistake twice. I'll try and find some more wallet-conscious recursion.

Oh, and one more thing. Paradox Engine has been banned for sometime...I know...i'm sad too. But a viable alternative could be Intruder Alarm if your deck was more creature based. Have you considered Dream Halls?

I'm sorry this just comes to mind: Chris Rock's "Down to Earth"

Yo, Nin is so ugly when she showed up at a guild meeting they thought she was a misplaced Golgari Grave-Troll and threw her back in the basement with the rest of the bulk rare creatures. Her art must've been based off of the Spirit of the Night because they have the exact same face. Even the Dune-Brood Nephilim would be like "Nah gurl, you win the roughest face title, I can make people that would come out and see me. You gotta capture a dude to get a date - after you torture them first."

Your general's face is hard on the eyes. A pain artist, huh? Just one look at her and I need to be put out my misery! I'm not clownin on your deck, I'm just saying her art...they drew her ugly...in a beautiful sort of way. I jest. Nice deck description, +1 from me.

Let's go half and half on a saaaaaack.

Man you hit me right in the middle school 92Q JAMZ nostalgia with that deep cut. How does the song relate to your deck?

I'm not trying to push your deck in a more competetive direction, only a more consistent one. I'm trying to get into your headspace when it comes to deck modifications as I think you have a great start for a Sliver Tribal build. The only issue is that your deck needs tweaking to promote synergy between the 99 and your General. I'm glad you're taking my advice with some of the previous card suggestions, but from now on I think you should be focusing on interaction, ramp, and top-deck manipulation. Those are themes your deck needs to be more inclusive on to be more successful - not necessarily more competetive. Here are some more suggestions for cuts:

• Cruel Ultimatium - absurdly high cost for interaction. You could easily cut this for more efficient/effective spells that come out sooner (basically when you need them). I've already mentioned some before, but Beast Within/Generous Gift/Assassin's Trophy/Winds of Abandon/Abrupt Decay. Some are slightly more expensive price wise, but I would recommend any of these cards for what's in that slot.

• Aphetto Dredging - is cool and oldschool. BUT there's the even cooler Return from Extinction. The icing on top is that it is a Sliver themed spell. I just love this card, and I think it will serve you very well.

Also, how do you feel about your landbase? I have some budget suggestions I'm getting together for you that are friendly to the wallet, but at the same time can give you something to save up for and look forward to. I'll likely post that sometime tonight or tomorrow.