Grove of the Burnwillows

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Quest Magic Legal

Grove of the Burnwillows

Land

: Add to your mana pool.

: Add or to your mana pool. Each opponent gains 1 life.

nbarry223 on [Community Discussion]: Modern Chat

3 months ago

Well, there’s lots of different lands that have lots of different uses in modern. Beyond certain utility lands that are limited to specific colors, there’s various cycles of lands with an equivalent version in most if not all color combinations. There’s some incomplete cycles like the triomes (name may change) which is going to be finished soon, and the draw painlands (not sure what they are called) which started with Horizon Canopy.

Certain cycles are suited to certain uses or needs better than others.

For example, the Horizon Canopy cycle is more suited to aggro decks that end up with more mana than they need as the game goes on.

The filter lands are one of the cycles where you want to limit the number of them in the deck, since they aren’t capable of producing colored mana on their own (I generally only run one for this reason). However, they are some of the best mana-fixing that modern has to offer for greedy manabases. You can take a white mana and make it into 2 blue mana with a Mystic Gate as an example. Reflecting Pool also works similarly to these lands, and is basically a match made in heaven for them, since it only cares about their capability to produce a colored mana source. So you can use a Reflecting Pool to feed a filter land even if those are your only two lands.

For decks that are more minimal colors, basics are better, since they get around a lot of hate. In fact I don’t suggest ever making a deck without at least 2 basics and some ways to find them.

Black and green also have access to urborg and yavimaya which let you tap things for colored mana you couldn’t normally. This helps with painlands and fetches, since you can now tap them without paying life.

There’s plenty of other lands with specific uses, and there isn’t really a right or wrong answer when making a manabase as long as you can consistently have access to the colors you need, and your manabase doesn’t end up killing you with painlands, shocks, fetches, etc. You also want to try to limit the number of lands you’ll have coming into play tapped for obvious reasons.

Also, when using fetches, I generally find that 7 ish fetches is ideal in a generic manabase. If you pick one main color you can basically make it so you can have access to all your color fixing shocks etc no matter what fetch you draw. You can also have two support colors to minimize the number of shocks you actually need to run. Combine with the aforementioned urborg or yavimaya tricks, and you can really minimize the number of shocks needed.

If your manabase isn’t heavily leaning towards a certain color and is basically a main color with a splash of a second you can run a lot more basics and a minimal amount of fetches with basically the same consistency and deck thinning, with less life loss.

There’s also things like Gemstone Caverns or Grove of the Burnwillows which have niche uses. You can’t really have a one answer cure all for what manabase is ideal for what deck, since most decks have different needs.

Also, if running legendary lands, I don’t generally suggest running more than 2 copies of each, unless you can do something with them in multiples like the channel lands.

nbarry223 on 5c Neoform Value (Suggestions Wanted)

7 months ago

Ok, here's a landbase to try out (tried not to change too much and make it work a little better life-wise while still maintaining the ability to get most any color combination by the turn you need it):

1x Reflecting Pool
1x Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth
1x Ketria Triome
1x Zagoth Triome
1x Breeding Pool
1x Stomping Ground
1x Temple Garden
3x Windswept Heath
3x Wooded Foothills
1x Misty Rainforest
2x Forest
1x Plains
1x Island

Below can be 4 of anything from fast lands like you have now to vivid lands etc. I'll just list a few + lesser options in case you like any, but the core is above. You should concentrate on having access to then / then then lastly (couple exceptions which I explained). I tried to put them in order of relevance.

Vivid Grove (there's other vivid lands, this is the green one though, and you don't want many tapped lands)
Fire-Lit Thicket (there's other of this cycle, but this is first choice because it will help with your costs)
Barkchannel Pathway  Flip
Branchloft Pathway  Flip
Temple of Mystery (lots of temple options, sometimes the scry is worth the tapped land)
Wooded Bastion
Flooded Grove
Hengegate Pathway  Flip
Cragcrown Pathway  Flip
Grove of the Burnwillows
Lair of the Hydra (manland that you could transform at low cost, or large beater for endgame)
Nimbus Maze
Simic Growth Chamber (maybe it is worth waiting a turn to reuse a land, but probably not in most cases)
River of Tears
Exotic Orchard
Pillar of the Paruns

multimedia on Gruul Werewolf Pack

8 months ago

Hey, interesting high budget version of Tovolar with less Werewolves.

Human Werewolves that don't have day/night still count towards and transform when Tovolar upkeep triggers. The better Werewolves not having day/night is not really a drawback with Tovolar. Because Tovolar can repeatedly change from day to night then you have more chances to transform nonday/night Werewolves. If you play a nonday/night Werewolf after Tovolar transforms that's fine because more than likely Tovolar will flip back daybound giving you another chance to transform all Human Werewolves you control at your upkeep.

If you want to play a small amount of Werewolves then the ones you play really should give you more than just being a Werewolf.

With such a high budget you can do better than the vanilla Werewolves who don't give you anything when they're Humans as well as when they nightbound transform? Many of the Wolves are also subpar compared to all other cards here. If you're playing the Wolves just to be able to upkeep trigger Tovolar faster any Human Werewolf will do the same thing and give you more than any of these Wolves.

Wolves and Werewolves to consider cutting:


Really nice Fetch lands, but consider playing a Forest/Mountain dual land to fetch: Stomping Ground, Cinder Glade, Sheltered Thicket? Adding these lands will also give Farseek a dual land to search for instead of only being able to search for a basic Mountain. Also by adding some Forest/Mountain dual lands then you could improve the land ramp spells with Nature's Lore and Three Visits.

Some changes to consider:

Some other lands that would improve the manabase by cutting some basic lands especially Mountains:

Arcane Signet could replace Herald's Horn since Horn doesn't do much if you're not tribal. With so few Werewolves or Humans as well as many different creature types then a mana rock would make more ramp.

Door of Destinies is another tribal only card and it's very slow with so few Werewolves or Humans to cast. Could cut Door for Beastmaster Ascension since it's an anthem for all creatures you control.

Good luck with your deck.

trblrbt on Hideaway for cheap!

8 months ago

psionictemplar I felt that Grove of the Burnwillows would be the most effective because this deck doesn't really care about how much life my oppenent has. As long as I can get out a big creature I've pretty much won. Thanks for your suggestion though!

legendofa on Banlist Open Discussion

9 months ago

Punishing Fire isn't a significant threat any more, in my opinion. I only remember it being used in Kird Ape/Wild Nacatl Naya Zoo decks alongside Grove of the Burnwillows, and Wild Nacatl spent some time on the banned list, too. Now it's a non-entity in tournaments.

I think Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer is much more banworthy than Faithless Looting, but that might be the salt talking. Pretty much every tiered deck that Faithless Looting was in saw further bans, so I don't think Looting was the problem.

psionictemplar on Banlist Open Discussion

9 months ago

Given the list above, I would say punishing fire could probably be unbanned safely. The days of grinding Grove of the Burnwillows with it are long gone in my opinion. Especially given the number of ways to exile graveyards nowadays.

multimedia on Draconic Rage Precon Upgraded

9 months ago

Hey, well done with upgrading the precon on a budget.

Greater Good and Goblin Bombardment let you abuse Dragon Spirits before they're saced after doing damage. When a Dragon Spirit does damage it makes a sacrifice trigger that has to resolve from the stack before the token is saced. When the trigger is on the stack you can response to it by sacing the token for value. Greater is draw 5 cards and Bombardment is do 1 damage to Vrondiss to create another Dragon Spirit. When Vrondiss is indestructible, Bombardment can be part a combo to do infinite damage to opponents with any two of Dragon Tempest, Scourge of Valkas, Terror of the Peaks, Outpost Siege or Warstorm Surge.

Wild Endeavor is a six mana ramp spell with only d4 rolls, you don't really want to be casting ramp with six mana.


Consider more repeatable draw sources which the precon really lacks. More effects that draw a card whenever a Spirit Dragon is created and from other enrage: Ripjaw Raptor, Garruk's Packleader, Elemental Bond.

Ripjaw Raptor is another good creature to make indestructible because then you can draw cards by doing damage to it. Garruk's Packleader draw is a may, you can stop drawing at any time. With Packleader in your control and Vrondiss is indestructible then one of Dragon Tempest, Scourge of Valkas, Terror of the Peaks, Outpost Siege or Warstorm Surge will create as many Dragon Spirits who will do damage/sac itself as you want which is draw as many cards as you want.

Wulfgar of Icewind Dale is out of place in the precon and here because there's very few cards that trigger when the creature attacks. He's not worth keeping really just for Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient.


One area from the precon you haven't upgraded is the manabase, it's still 39 lands and 27 basic lands. Some lands to consider adding in place of some basic lands and Underdark Rift:

I don't think you need 39 lands, some of them could be cut for lower CMC ramp such as Farseek, Talisman of Impulse and Sakura-Tribe Elder. Because you have Cinder Glade and could add Highland Forest then Farseek has a dual land to search for. For two mana Tyrite Sanctum can repeatedly put a counter on Vrondiss to make him bigger. Once he's a God then Sanctum can be saced to make Vrondiss indestructible. Both these effects are helpful coming from a land.

I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.

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