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Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
When you cast this spell, draw four cards.
Annihilator 4 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices four permanents.)
When Kozilek, Butcher of Truth is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles their graveyard into their library.
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4 weeks ago
Are there budget exclusions for this deck? Meta? General weaknesses you want to address? Was gonna recommend survival of the fittest, mana crpyt etc..... but dont wanna get ahead of myself.
Greater Good - The best card you can add to this deck, handsdown. Another user above suggested it but you did not reply to that card, please do not overlook as it allows you to recover from a wipe, prevent exile, prevent theft and is a discard outlet
Song of the Dryads - Not 100% needed, but nice to have. Good to use on mono red/black commanders as they usually lack enchantment removal. If you wanna be spicy, LD effects can be used in response to their enchantment removal (not necessarily yours even but other opponents/politics).
Sylvan Library - Not 100% needed, but helps set up draws, works well with topdeck effects and is draw in a pinch.
Bane of Progress - Given less than 10% of your deck is artifacts and enchantments, it might be worth considering. Meta dependent for sure, but most playgroups utilize a slew of artifacts.
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth - Not 100% needed, draw and removal. Also acts as a GY Shuffler (for better and worse).
Nissa's Pilgrimage - Albeit off curve, might be worth considering, potentially over cultivate/kodamas.
Life's Legacy - Similar to momentous fall but cheaper to cast but can't be used in response to removal. Also, folds to blue like momentous. Should you feel you need more draw, I would greatly recommend it.
Green Sun's Zenith - Tutor, very useful.
The Great Henge - Ramp, life gain and draw! Seems to synergize pretty well with the deck, don't sleep on it.
Selvala, Heart of the Wilds - Ramp and draw, very powerful.
Sakura-Tribe Elder - Creature form of rampant growth, definitely swap.
Elder Gargaroth - Versatile beater, I use him for draw and tokens mostly.
Nissa's pilgramige > Kodama's
Tooth and Nail > Shared summmons - For 4 more mana, u get a higher ceiling albeit a lower floor. The higher ceiling more than makes up for it
Primal Order - Dealing damage via non-basics is okay, but it costs a lot of mana and doesn't synergize with the rest of your deck. It also doesn't do much against mono colored decks. Lastly, you're limiting your own non-basics because of this card which I view as a mistake. Given you are mono colored, green at that, you have more flexibility than others to include non-basics in your mana base. Something like Yavimaya hollow for protection, ancient tomb for ramp and more...provide far more value than maybe hurting someone through non-basic land hate.
Apex Altisaur - It fights, its expensive removal. Too much IMO
Bellowing Tanglewurm - Not great evasion, given siege behemoth, I dont think you need the redundancy, do you often find yourself with creature stalemates?
Brooding Saurian - Meta inclusion? If you had more non-basics, Nylea's intervention and crop rotation would be MUCH better. Homeward Path could fix this while providing you with an additional card slow
Kozilek > Desolation twin - Same mana value, with removal draw and GY shuffle.
Elemental Bond > Garruk's Packleader - Cheaper to cast, less susceptible to removal. You have a lot of creatures, 1/4th of your deck. Cutting back 5 - 7 creatures would make your deck less likely to overextend into a wipe.
Spring-Leaf Avenger - 4 or 5 mana for a body and return 1 card, or you can get something like Seasons Past to recur several cards for 1-2 more mana and not reliant upon combat damage which is very helpful.
The Tarrasque - I'm on the fence about this card, seems cool but a bit costly. Why not just get another Eldrazi card like Ulamog Cease Hunger/Infinite Gyre. For 1-2 more mana, you get permanent removal and indestructible which is arguably better than ward
Topiary Stomper - Off curve for early game, low ceiling for late game, low floor. I dont see it's purpose here given green has better ramp. By replacing creatures that provide subpar effects for sorcerries/instant versions which provide a greater level of the effect, you can greatly increase the power and resilience of the deck.
Whiptongue Hydra - Is this a meta call?
Ulvenwald Oddity - I noticed you mentioned you use it as a haste outlet primarily. If that's the case, why not consider Concordant Crossroads or Akroma's Memorial? The former is cheap to cast but a double edged sword. The latter is more expensive but provides a myriad of benefits.
Looking forward to your response and thought process :)
1 month ago
I would recommend some of the Eldrazi titans, such as Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger as some big top end bombs. Some ramp creatures wouldn't go amiss either, such as Birds of Paradise, and Dryad of the Ilysian Grove.
In terms of Instants, Sorceries, and Enchantments, getting some more of the Ultimatum cycle (Brilliant Ultimatum, Cruel Ultimatum, Emergent Ultimatum) might be a good idea, and Sunbird's Invocation would be a good idea too if you are casting such big CMC cards.
Another recommended addition would be Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh as it is just a straight up good card for the colour and big mana theme.
I'd recommend replacing the tapped tri-lands (Arcane Sanctum, Crumbling Necropolis, Frontier Bivouac, Jungle Shrine, Mystic Monastery, Nomad Outpost, Opulent Palace, Sandsteppe Citadel, Savage Lands, and Seaside Citadel) with the shock land cycle (Blood Crypt, Breeding Pool, Godless Shrine, Hallowed Fountain, Overgrown Tomb, Sacred Foundry, Steam Vents, Stomping Ground, Temple Garden, and Watery Grave) as they are easier to fetch for or find with ramp spells.
Final notes: Give the deck a little more of a creature focus, having as few as you have right now you'll find there is very little to hit with your reanimation, but other then that, good job on the first draft! looking forward to see how it plays out!
1 month ago
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth - Draw, removal, wincon. Not to mention Basalt Mono + Mes Orb = Infinite self mill, which you can use in response to grave hate, eventually reaching Kozilek and shuffling grave in.
Not sure if previously mentioned but Semblance Anvil would be a great fit. Acts as another cost reducer for combo lines, helps reduce almost 50% of your deck. I'm usually against 2 for 1 cards, but the ceiling is so high, it's worth it IMO.
3 months ago
how about a nice Kessig Wolf Run? It might be worth taking out Transguild Promenade because I absolutely hate that card lol. But seriously Kessig is inexpensive and fits the theme. I love this deck! This is very similar to a Lord Windgrace deck I play online. that deck utilizes cards like Dakmor Salvage and Kozilek, Butcher of Truth to loop the graveyard over and over again, so I can storm off with Underworld Breach. I love lands, ever since I first played against it at a legacy tournament.
4 months ago
wallisface: I agree with you on the point that modern is currently quite healthy.
Regarding your argument of reprinting: It is just not enough to reprint these cards, but they need to be reprinted in a lower rarity.
It's nice that expensive cards like: Wrenn and Six, Force of Negation, Seasoned Pyromancer, Cavern of Souls, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog etc. get reprinted in Double Masters 2022 if they get reprinted as Mythic Rares, but all in all that just feels like a drop in the bucket.
6 months ago
Hey dude! Are you excited for the Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Reprint in 22' Double Masters: https://www.mtgnexus.com/cards/double-masters-2022/72925-kozilek-butcher-of-truth
6 months ago
Thanks. This has definitely been a pet deck of mine over the years.
Winter Orb is less useful in cEDH as those decks also tend to run less lands in favor of random mana rocks and mana dorks. It is still reasonably useful but it underperforms when compared to the rest of the stax effects the deck runs.
Kozilek, the Great Distortion: This is one I have had many arguments about and have even run as a commander for a while. His ability to counter spells is weirdly relevant, he does fun shenanigans with Silent Arbiter effects, and he can situationally draw you more card than the Butcher can. However, that is exactly his downfall. He situationally draws you more cards. Draw X where X = a number between 0 and 7 is not as good as draw 4. If the game goes long and you finally cast Kozilek with 7 dead cards already in hand, drawing 0 for 10 mana is unacceptable. This has cost me many games and forces the deck to run bad enablers such as discard outlets to ditch bad cards. Butcher will always draw you 4 cards, Distortion will not.
Additionally, Butcher goes wins on the spot with infinite mana and a sacrifice outlet whereas Distortion does not. Butcher in the command zone also means that any card in the library can be looped an arbitrary number of times (with infinite mana) permitting Mindslaver hard locks, arbitrary amount of permanent removal with Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger (sacrifice him, shuffle with Kozilek, draw him again, cast and repeat) and much more. He even provides other weird random benefits such as preventing you from decking out when playing against mill decks (or just one of the various cEDH decks that wins by milling you with Brain Freeze. Distortion is a very fun card, but objectively weaker as a commander. I even stopped playing him in the 99 and maybe 1 in every 30 games (typically when Drannith Magistrate is involved) do I ever even find myself missing him.
6 months ago
Yeah, that is an unfortunate downside of mono-colorless. Collector Ouphe, Null Rod, and Stony Silence are really bad cards for this deck to see. I always try to tutor or mulligan for an Inspiring Statuary when I expect to see those cards as it allows me to still use my artifacts to cast stuff like Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, Karn Liberated, All Is Dust, Emrakul, the Promised End, etc. Typically I try to outspeed the artifact hate but as that is not always an option, Inspiring Statuary or politics tends to be the best option. It also helps that other decks tend to get hurt by such artifact hate so I am not always the one that has to deal with it.
As for the power level, I tried to make it as powerful as possible for the sake of having a decent chance at a cEDH power level table. A max power level Kozilek is typically around the power level of a budget cEDH deck so it tends to play well at that kind of table. Given the ridiculous speed of the deck though, I have had good matchups against full pods of max power cEDH decks. Very few decks can shrug off Annihilator 4 on turn 3. Also, Mindslaver effects are hilariously good against cEDH decks. Especially with how many Necropotence, Ad Nauseam, Tainted Pact, Demonic Consultation, etc. effects are common in cEDH. Even outside of that, just using their own removal spells on their stuff or exiling their commander if it is a deck that relies on it to win (and choosing to put it into exile of course) can completely kill off opposing players on the spot. Emrakul, the Promised End is my go to answer for cEDH decks as the cast trigger almost always just kills an opponent on cast, even if she gets countered.
As for additional stax, I already run Torpor Orb and I quite like it. Cursed Totem is interesting (and if nothing else is a good budget option). I liked Cursed Totem a lot more when Flash + Protean Hulk was a thing. Perhaps it is just my meta but I don't see too many decks that make me want a Cursed Totem effect. Winter Orb has been underperforming of late so I might trade those out and see if I like it. It cuts off my Metalworker, Palladium Myr, and Burnished Hart but I think that is acceptable given how much it can hurt some decks. Worst case scenario, I could always just treat it the same way I use something like The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale where I just mulligan or Bazaar of Baghdad it away if it is a meta that it isn't useful.