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- Does Haste still apply when transforming?
- If a Werewolf enters the battlefield while I have Vildin-pack alpha and Panharmonicon in play can I transform it twice?
- If I have Vildin-pack Alpha and Conspiracy set on werewolf and play Jace, Vryn's Prodigy will Jace flip?
- Do Conspiracy and Vildin-Pack Alpha interact?
- Riku of Two Reflections and Vildin-pack alpha interaction with other werewolves
Creature — Werewolf
Whenever a Werewolf enters the battlefield under your control, you may transform it.
At the beginning of each upkeep, if a player cast two or more spells last turn, transform Vildin-Pack Alpha.
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Vildin-Pack Alpha Discussion
1 month ago
Basically it's your choice, based on what order you put the two triggers on the stack. Riku doesn't copy the creature while it's on the stack, he copies it after it enters the battlefield.
When you play Wolfbitten Captive Flip, both effects trigger, you choose what order they go on the stack in. If Riku's effect resolves first (because you put it on the stack last) it will create a copy of Wolfbitten Captive Flip, then Vildin-Pack Alpha Flip will trigger off the token. Tokens can't be transformed, so it will remain a Wolfbitten Captive Flip, and the original will transform into Krallenhorde Killer.
On the other hand, should Riku resolve second (because you put it on the stack first), it will create a copy of the already-transformed Krallenhorde Killer after Vildin-Pack Alpha Flip resolves. Notably, again, tokens cannot transform, so a Krallenhorde Killer token will always remain in it's non-human form.
1 month ago
If Riku of Two Reflections and Vildin-Pack Alpha Flip are out and a have a Wolfbitten Captive Flip enter the battlefield can I have Riku of Two Reflections make a copy of it's flipped side Krallenhorde Killer? or can Riku of Two Reflections only make a copy of the Wolfbitten Captive Flip?
I'm a little shaky on how a copy effects would work on double faced cards on the stack. I know you can put the triggers on the stack anyway you want since they both are triggering when the creature enters, I'm just not sure who needs to go on the stack first to make a copy of the flipped side of the card or if it's even possible.
Thank you for your time and help!
3 months ago
In case 1-3 you cannot transform a face-down creature, so the ability will trigger and do nothing. You also cannot turn a double-faced card face-down, but you can manifest it face-down.
As for the bonus question, yes, it will trigger twice and you can transform it twice, resulting in it being on it's front side, and something like Huntmaster of the Fells Flip triggering both it's sides. The relevant rule here is 701.26f, as quoted by Dracoson. It says that you don't transform the creature if one of it's own abilities tries to transform it. Because Vildin-Pack Alpha Flip is the source of the ability, rather than the transforming creature, it can still transform the creature any number of times.
3 months ago
In regards to cases 1-3:
701.26b Although transforming a permanent uses the same physical action as turning a permanent face up or face down, they are different game actions. Abilities that trigger when a permanent is turned face down wont trigger when that permanent transforms, and so on.
As to the Bonus question:
701.26f If an activated or triggered ability of a permanent that isnt a delayed triggered ability of that permanent tries to transform it, the permanent transforms only if it hasnt transformed since the ability was put onto the stack. If a delayed triggered ability of a permanent tries to transform that permanent, the permanent transforms only if it hasnt transformed since that delayed triggered ability was created. In either case, if the permanent has already transformed, the instruction to transform is ignored. This is a change from previous rules
Basically, while the trigger will go again, if you choose to transform it, the subsequent triggers won't do anything
3 months ago
Case 2: Same as case 1, but with Den Protector
Case 3: I drop a double faced card from my hand to the battlefield with Illusionary Mask. Can I flip it with the Alpha trigger?
Bonus: If I have Panharmonicon and I play a morph card or a double faced werewolf, can I transform it twice?
4 months ago
Hentaiology I never even thought of that!! Vildin-Pack Alpha Flip and Waxing Moon would be awesome for flipping the eldrazi werewolves!! I know I have a bad habit of only putting 20 lands in my decks, I just can't seem to fit everything otherwise XD. I'll definitely consider it tho. Thanks dude!!
4 months ago
These two cards alone don't give you an opportunity to immediately re-transform Huntmaster of the Fells Flip. A transforming card doesn't leave and re-enter the battlefield unless it specifically says so (for example, the cycle of Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip etc. from Magic Origins had to do this in order to work properly). When you transform Huntmaster of the Fells Flip it isn't entering the battlefield again. Its characteristics are changing, but it's staying on the battlefield the whole time. Vildin-Pack Alpha Flip won't trigger again.
8 months ago
A few quick thoughts:
- I've found Waxing Moon to be just a little uneven. It's AMAZING when it works out well, but I'm not always happy to see the card. For example, if I already have a Vildin-Pack Alpha Flip, or if I have no Creatures to cast it on. Maybe drop to a two-of, and make room for another Creature or one more Neglected Heirloom Flip? And though Waxing Moon is probably better in this deck, have you tried Nature's Way?
- I like Game Trail as a four-of in any fast Gruul deck.
- As possible sideboard Tech, I'm really liking Chandra's Pyrohelix lately. It's solid against Weenies and small Flyers, and OK when you need just a little bit more against a player or Planeswalker. And it works REALLY well with Silverfur Partisan.
I've probably mentioned this to you before, but just in case not: You might want to stop by the All Things Wolven thread sometime and post your deck.