Creature — Nightmare
Whenever a Swamp enters the battlefield under your control, choose one —
- You draw a card and you lose 1 life.
- Dread Presence deals 2 damage to target creature, player or planeswalker and you gain 2 life.
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Dread Presence occurrence in decks from the last year
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Dread Presence Discussion
2 days ago
Commander Legends review for Lord Windgrace and Thoughts
Missed out on looking at these cards the first time so another look at cards that can synergise with this deck or with more general Lord Windgrace decks after actually testing them out.
This card looks like it may just slot right in but I would caution against just jamming this in. It is very powerful to be able to just pick out ten lands from the library and slam them on the battlefield, no sacrificing or any real downside but there are a couple of issues to consider:
- The card is 9 mana, and requires triple green. This is not difficult to do with mana fixing but because the lands enter tapped from Reshape the Earth and the spell is sorcery speed, this is pretty much your entire turn. This means that you better be planning to win the game with this spell on the turn you play it because your green mana will be heavily depleted when you do. There are pretty much two options: Field of the Dead or Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle for ETB triggers, but this can also be a trap. If you fetch Vesuva with this ability, you have to have one of the above lands already on the battlefield. This is because when Vesuva enters the battlefield at the same time as another land, due to timing it only checks land already on the battlefield. There is a similar issue with Thespian Stage as when the land enters...it has already had its ETB. This means that you can't just fetch Field of the Dead or Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle along with the two copy lands from the library and try to stack the triggers, it just doesn't work. This card just can't immediately win you the game in most circumstances. You could look at Dread Presence dealing a good 20 damage or getting a sweet Valakut Exploration turn, but you can't just straight up 40 someone unless you already have a very specific boardstate. I just don't think this card is worth including in this archetype.
I was surprisingly up on this card when it was first spoiled because of the Glacial Chasm synergy (never take combat damage, never lose the Monarchy). Now on top of being the eternal Monarch, you get the benefit of all your permanents being hexproof, which includes your land. Now you have protection against opponents removing your key lands! The issue is that it is still a creature body, doesn't really have any land-synergistic abilities and is 7 mana. I dropped Avenger of Zendikar for being expensive to play, and this just draws you a card at end step, not terrible, but not the most exciting thing to ever happen. Maybe this card is just too 'win more' to be an inclusion, but it has a sweet interaction with this deck.
Honestly not terrible but not exciting either. The key thing is that it doesn't untap your lands, and there's no real benefit for them being creatures, if you have a Glacial Chasm out they can't even attack...and they're 1/1s so you need something to buff them up before they attack. That's several steps more complicated than dumping a Torment of Hailfire or Exsanguinate on the board.
Now I'm usually very up on enchantments in commander. They're usually (in my experience) more difficult to interact with compared to artifacts. This is a way to just ramp or cheat out creatures. If you're planning of dumping big creatures on the board: this is a great card if you're running Glacial Chasm because you will never stop being the monarch, but it's an upkeep trigger. In this particular deck I don't think it has enough value to justify cutting another card to fit it in, it's just too slow.
Interesting value engine: play a land, you get to cheat in another land. Would/should you pay 6 mana for this? Well only if you have a bunch of lands in hand, which is generally not where this deck wants to be (usually they should be being discarded so you pull them back onto the battlefield). Any ramp potential is stymied by the mana cost. Powerful effect, just doesn't seem to quite work in this deck.
Not bad: find forest, put on battlefield, solid cheap ramp, consider adding it in if you have the space. There aren't that many great forests, so this isn't as much of a utility spell tutor, just plain ramp.
5 days ago
thewrush - thanks for the comment, I'm glad you like the deck! Blocking flyers is definitely a problem I've had and Ulvenwald is just a good card all around. If you've got creatures with more than one or two power to use with Greater Good then I think it's definitely a great card in the deck for many reasons, I've just never personally used it.
stavie131 - the old win con was basically just use Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, World Shaper, and Dread Presence to deal enough damage to everyone to win, but anymore I just use either Field of the Dead or Scute Swarm to win, and Finale of Devastation helps with that. You could certainly add something like Craterhoof or some other combat focused card to help the wins come faster, or do something entirely different like a combo of your own or something else wacky. With Meren, if it's creature based in some way, it's probably viable, so play around. Thanks for the comment, and you're definitely not stupid!
1 month ago
Low-mana deathtouch is an easy solve, and you can often get more than just that if you look hard enough.
Vampire of the Dire Moon springs to mind for certain, Knight of the Ebon Legion can be granted Deathtouch off his activated ability (and he's just generally pretty awesome overall for his mana cost), and then there's just general stuff like Typhoid Rats.
I would also trade out your 2x Nightveil Specter for 2 more Geralf's Messenger. Nightveil Specter is cool and all, but it doesn't really help you a ton in a Mono-Color deck where you can only cast Black spells to begin with. I get that you can possibly exile (and then play) opponent's land in order to help work around this, but it seems clunky whereas Geralf's has Undying and can then be combo'd with cards like Bone Splinters and Village Rites to help grant you some much-needed Control and Card Draw (every deck needs a little). Plus his Undying works well with the synergy of the pseudo-boardwipes you're running in Sorcery already.
Wurmcoil Engine is just too clunky here and could easily go. 6-mana cost and no way to reduce it, plus his other ability isn't that great compared to what you could just play with a different card in his slot. Plus you've only got the one so it's very hit or miss now as it stands anyway. You don't even really need his Lifelink since you've already got 4x Vampire Nighthawk in there (always a solid call).
Squelching Leeches isn't that glamorous for its mana cost; even a 4-mana card like Dread Presence would help you a lot more. That, or this could be another good card to drop altogether in favor of something more mana-efficient.
Nyxathid I feel is just too unreliable for his mana cost too. He really needs to be paired into a Deck with Discard mechanics to ensure he's as powerful as possible. Card Draw is a fairly essential mechanic of any reliable deck (as I mentioned already), and so counting on the opponent having a small hand size with no means to ensure it yourself doesn't seem that great here. Also, he doesn't even have trample or lifelink or any other useful abilities to help make up for his unreliable pwr/tgh. (keep in mind his power/toughness updates constantly, so if an opponent can draw up to 8 or more cards, he dies outright - even if they end up having to discard back down to max. hand size after).
I would personally not add Dark Ritual here as it won't help you all that much without some card draw - you're better off just picking at most 2 creatures with 4 or more mana cost and cutting everything else down to 3 or less. For instance, Archfiend of Depravity is a completely solid card, but I'm not sure he's needed when you've already got 3x Phyrexian Obliterator in there with the potential to be even more devastating (and for less mana cost no less). Additionally, the Obliterator cannot make you sacrifice your own creatures, unlike the Archfiend. This adds to the benefit of having multiples in play and restricts your overall build less too.
1 month ago
And, lastly, I recommend playing Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth because it creates a ton of advantage with Dread Presence, which is kinda like a backup Tatyova that doubles as removal. Urborg can be fetched with Crop Rotation and you can even play Cabal Coffers for fun with it.
2 months ago
The new Demon's Disciple is better than Fleshbag Marauder I personally prefer Heart Warden or Llanowar Visionary over Birds of Paradise, since the interact with Meren more effectively and can do something the turn they are played.
I also personally think Phyrexian Arena and other slow draw cards (such as Underworld Connections or Dread Presence ) are unreliable. I consider them to be inferior to Ancient Craving Sign in Blood or Ambition's Cost, but there is a case for playing arena, so make whatever preference or meta call you like, I just think definitely getting 3 cards right away is better than hoping to net 3 cards over 3 turns.
Interesting build, some unusual Meren choices, but some clever interactions too. I like how many different Meren shells there are, she is a very versatile commander.
2 months ago
In my potato opinion, you can cut few swamps without a problem with your ramp cards.
If you'll ever feel like playing against graveyard decks is annoying, Crypt Incursion/Suffer the Past would help. Both instant speed graveyard hate stamples that also gives you life -> triggering your Vito, Defiant Bloodlord, S.B and Blight-Priest.
Tribute to Hunger - cheap creature removal that also gives you life, but depends on opponent's board.
Instead of Rise of the Dark Realms you might consider running Agadeem's Awakening
Flip to reanimate your combo pieces for less mana cost. It can also be used as a land if needed. Another option could be Command the Dreadhorde, since life shouldnt be such a problem. Finale of Eternity is also an option, both as reanimate spell and removal. I personally feel like there isnt enough creatures in your deck to such massive and mana-expensive reanimator spells.
Call the Bloodline - if you ever feel like having not enough Vampires for Kicker cost of Blood Tribute. Its also decent to discard big creatures (to reanimate them later) and making a 1/1 to sacrifice.
Bastion of Remembrance - fits into aristocrat decks really well, since it gives you 1/1, has aristocrat ability and is an enchantment, so its a bit harder to remove than creature is.
Trading Post - This is more or less a personal card choice, but it gives you life, makes tokens, retrieves artifacts and even draws you a card. Not bad at all.
Thespian's Stage and Mirage Mirror can both copy your Cabal Coffers to ramp you like crazy.
Cabal Stronghold - cheaper version of Cabal Coffers that can tap for on its own.
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx - a bit more expensive but can also ramp a lot in mono-color decks.
Lake of the Dead - almost as expensive as Cabal Coffers, but can also ramp you a lot. But is just a luxury.
Homeward Path - would be consider running if you would play against some mana-control decks.
Myriad Landscape - not the greatest, but works well in any mono-color deck outside of green (if not landfall decks). Easy way to get two swamps out of your deck, so less chances of top decking lands and also triggers your Dread Presence twice.
And as the grand finale, my favorite combo of my For the Void: Tortured Existence+Desecrated Tomb to instantly generate a 1/1 black Bat token with flying (as flying blockers, for example) just for . It requires only having a creature in your graveyard and another in your hand. Add Phyrexian Altar and you can activate it infinitely times, making any of your aristocrat cards lethal. Just watchout for Necropotence because it exiles whatever you discard, shutting the combo down.
I would most likely remove:
Platinum Angel - protects you from losing the game and opponents from winning the game, but doesnt really fit the deck that much. Cool card for sure.
Rise of the Dark Realms - is just really expensive reanimation card.
Night's Whisper - Its cheap, but sorcery speed, so thats up to you. Prism Ring - doesnt seems that worth it to me. Its cheaper than Staff of the Death Magus, but if you cant cast a lot of black spells each turn, I wouldnt bother with Prism Ring at all.
Cut/switch few basic Swamps for sure.
3 months ago
I play Dread Presence in my lands matter deck and if you have a decent tutor package and/or land recursion (which you should have) it's super awesome. I originally included it for the draw, but it has won me a few games with the drain and it's incredibly powerful with Ancient Greenwarden.
3 months ago
Great to read through your responses, and thank you for the kind wishes! I can see the really low opportunity cost of Valakut being a good reason for including it, that's a point I hadn't considered too heavily beforehand. Now I might just look to pick up a copy for my own list, haha!
One last question, do you have any experience or thoughts on Dread Presence being a worthwhile inclusion? It brings a nifty aspect of combining a Scapeshift piece along with minor lifegain and a card drawing ability, although I doubt it's a better draw option than what you currently have. Still, it has the virtue of having an additional enabler in Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth on top of Dryad. If you've played with it before, how did Dread Presence perform in practice?