( can be paid with one mana from a snow permanent.)
When Arcum's Astrolabe enters the battlefield, draw a card.
, : Gain one mana of any colour.
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|Modern Horizons (MH1)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Arcum's Astrolabe Discussion
2 days ago
Is this deck intended to be casual or competitive? Budget or no? I'd recommend changing the hubs for your deck to help everyone give more targeted feedback and to expose the deck to a broader audience.
That being said, here are cards I'd recommend based off of Mill decks I've seen on MTGO/online (not taking into account card cost): Shelldock Isle as it basically nets you an extra card/free spell
Oboro, Palace in the Clouds to trigger Hedron Crab over and over
Visions of Beyond because it's basically Ancestral Recall for Mill
Field of Ruin to hit your opponent's important lands
Crypt Incursion as a way to help you survive
Snapcaster Mage to flashback your Glimpses, Visions, etc.
Breaking / Entering as a maybeboard card if you really need more efficient mill
Here are some other thoughts I had:
-You have a fair number of expensive cards in your deck, but you only have 20 lands. I have a feeling that your expensive cards will be stuck in your hand as you struggle to draw enough lands to play them (which will only be exacerbated by the fact that you have 64 cards in your deck). Even still, you'll probably want 21-23 lands in your deck. With that the average game of Modern lasts about 5 turns - can you successfully mill your opponent out in that time? If not, you'll want to trim/remove the cards that don't have a significant impact by that time. For example, I would consider replacing the following:
Curse of the Bloody Tome: comes out on turn 3 and you'll probably get 1-2 triggers out of it.
Patient Rebuilding: very variable and you may not even get any triggers out of it.
Keening Stone: you probably won't be able to cast this card.
Traumatize: most of the time this will probably only be marginally better than another Glimpse or perhaps even worse! I'd recommend doing some playtesting with your deck to see on average how many cards you mill from your opponent by turn 5. Also consider that opponents will be thinning their decks with fetchlands, Arcum's Astrolabe, and Mishra's Bauble.
Increasing Confusion: this card is very deceptive in that it actually isn't that mana efficient. If you flash it back on turn 5, then it's the exact same thing as Glimpse!
Mind Grind: same thing except for Mind Funeral - at 6 mana, this card does the same thing that Mind Funeral does for 3! -If you can afford it, definitely run 4x Glimpse, 4x Archive Trap, and 4x Mesmeric Orb. Those are your most powerful cards that you'll want every game.
-You'll also want dual lands, like Darkslick Shores, Drowned Catacomb, Watery Grave, etc. This will really help prevent you from getting mana screwed by drawing too many of one basic. Also, fetchlands are Hedron Crab's best friend!
Mill is always a fringe deck in the Modern metagame as most decks will just out-value and outrace you, which is a shame because I always find Mill so fun to play! I hope all this helps you out and I hope I didn't come off as mean/rude. I'm genuinely trying to help you out with your deck so you can win more and have more fun with it!
3 days ago
Realistically, your best bet for protecting Gideon from targeted removal is going to be Teferi's Time Twist. In addition to protecting him it has nice synergy with the Ozolith itself. Again, not really a competitively viable play pattern, but certainly the best method to protect Gideon with an instant speed spell in such a deck.
Detention Sphere could be an interesting piece as well as it's flexible in a Yorion deck.
But the best pieces for Yorion to work with are the ones that set up flicker loops easily which can make for lots of mana free Gideon flickers over a sequence of turns such as Felidar Guardian, Charming Prince, and Saheeli Rai (some of which are legal in Pioneer). Saheeli lets you flicker with Yorion on your turn twice (activation and end step), while the Prince nets a flicker on opposing endsteps and your endstep. With both you'd get 2 flickers on your turn and one at the opponent's end step with Ozolith gaining 13 loyalty counters per turn cycle. While this is more competitive than anything else in all likelihood, it's still got some weaknesses in both play pattern and deck construction that can potentially be exploited. As true Copy Cat is banned in Pioneer this is likely the best bet to make a Gideon+Ozolith combo truly function as the individual pieces are easier to sequence (Ozolith on 1, Prince on 2, Saheeli on 3, Gideon in 4, Yorion on 5) though card intensive enough to be inconsistent, especially in an 80 card deck. The upside is that with such pieces many of them play nice with Yorion itself and can provide some nice value while also digging for the combo components with cards like Omen of the Sea and Arcum's Astrolabe (not to mention the Prince itself can scry provided there's another means to flicker Yorion).
1 week ago
Pretty solid list so far, I have a few suggestions though. First and foremost, if you haven't checked out the cEDH decklist database, I recommend it. If you're truly wanting to get in to cEDH, then that is a good outlet for deck brewing. There are a bunch of cards in your list that are solid picks for a Kinnan deck, but there are also some that aren't up to snuff with the meta, but that's not a necessarily bad thing. Competitive EDH is about play the most powerful cards in the your color pie to achieve your overall win condition and to do it as efficient and consistent as possible. Kinnan is quite new and people are still trying to find the best way to brew the deck, but his strategy is undoubtedly proactive, so we have to try to overwhelm our opponents as fast as possible.
Here are the cards in your deck that you just don't see in the cEDH meta. Not a bad thing, just something to consider.
Your mana dorks are higher in CMC that the meta heavy mana dorks. This puts them being cast usually around turn two, which is when you want to be casting Kinnan.
Arcum's Astrolabe - It's just way too circumstantial, especially when you only have 6 snow lands in the deck. This card would be dead in your hand most of the time. There are also better mana rocks.
Mind Stone has been sub-par for a while. In cEDH, you want to get plenty of mana as soon as possible so you can start setting up for win quickly. This is why Grim Monolith and Mana Vault are very prevalent in the meta. They are net positive mana rocks that come in quickly.
Whir of Invention and Blue Sun's Zenith are on the cusp of being played in the meta and not, mostly Blue Sun's Zenith as it's used to help draw the deck after getting infinite mana. Usually you see these more in mono blue decks because they have plenty of blue to pay the non-generic mana and can go big with the X cost, however, once you leave mono blue it's very difficult to keep up mana for interaction after casting these and usually when X is greater than 2, it's worth someone countering it. If they're countered, the feel bads set in as you're now 5-6 mana behind. I would suggest cutting at least Whir of Inventions for a cantrip like Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain that nets you cards for cheap.
Force of Vigor - It's not bad, I've seen a few decks run it that are more on the control side, but Kinnan is trying to be more proactive than reactive. Blue has some of the best removal in the game for cheap. Maybe consider a Chain of Vapor. That way if there is a problematic card for you on the board such as Cursed Totem or Linvala, Keeper of Silence, you can hit it regardless of what it is for one mana regardless of whose turn it is.
There are a few suggestions I'd like to make for you to add that are practically staples for most of the cEDH Kinnan decks:
Seedborn Muse to help you use your commander more and acquire an overwhelming board state.
Right now, if you were to play a game with this list, I wouldn't be afraid of you activating Kinnan because there's nothing that will severely impact the game. Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is in a lot of the other cEDH decks because getting this guy on the field is detrimental to every opponent's strategy. I suggest you get a higher creature count and put more scary things in the deck. You'll whiff a lot with on activations with a creature count that low.
Here is a link to my current Kinnan build that has been assembling win (in a vaccum) very consistently between turns 3 and 4: Kinnan Activations cEDH
1 week ago
Henryk Interestingly enough, it really isn't though. If you put in cards like Arcum's Astrolabe, Abundant Growth, and Wall of Blossoms, ect. the deck can really pop off and have Yorion, Sky Nomad net you like five cards. And the first two cards help fix your mana colors.
2 weeks ago
Just for thought, what about a blue/red (izzet) list that can use Emry, Lurker of the Loch to fill the yard with. It encourages the artifact base for casting emry and helps with the cost of playing Trash for Treasure. You could run Mishra's Bauble for value/deck manipulation with fetch lands and Engineered Explosives like the early urza decks for board control. Arcum's Astrolabe could help the mana run smoothly as well. Anyhow, just some thoughts on a framework for ya.
4 weeks ago
I agree with multimedia: Two-mana mana-rocks are really important in EDH, as long as you're not in green. My first instinct here is to add more of them, and upgrade the three-drop rocks to two-drops. Three-drops like Commander's Sphere and Chromatic Lantern aren't as good, since they don't allow you to cast your general turn three. Consider some adding some of the following: Talisman of Conviction, Talisman of Hierarchy, Fellwar Stone, Talisman of Indulgence, Arcane Signet, Everflowing Chalice, Mind Stone...
I like Crackling Doom, since to be good 2+-for-ones are necessary in EDH (since you have 3 opponents). Fire Covenant and Kolaghan's Command are also fairly powerful, the former more than the latter. Wear / Tear is also a RW staple.
There're some lands I think you missed. Savai Triome is almost strictly better than Nomad Outpost and could probably replace one of your basics. Mana Confluence, City of Brass, Reflecting Pool, Forbidden Orchard and Exotic Orchard are also funny, though the first few are kinda expensive. If you have $10 and want to get spicy, Shizo, Death's Storehouse can replace a basic Swamp and will give your general more evasion. I also think you can cut one to three lands if you put in more artifact-based ramp, since this'll make your deck faster. Slow-fetches like Rocky Tar Pit, Mountain Valley and friends are also on the table, since they can get Smoldering Marsh and Savai Triome (if you run it).
Alternatively, you could consider the "moon" plan. Blood Moon and Magus of the Moon can be back-breaking against a lot of decks, and if you design your deck right you can still run them in a three-color deck. Running snow-covered lands and Arcum's Astrolabe can help, and your signets/potential talismans are all good ways to smooth out your colors. Ruination is similar. If you want to go hard (I like pushing my decks to be as good as possible), consider Armageddon and Ravages of War: those can end a game if your general is out, since you can prevent a response.
Depending on your meta, you may want to consider cards like Cursed Totem. If you're playing against a green player (who is playing dorks, which they 2,000% should), this will shut down Elvish Mystic etc. and slow them down like crazy. It also shuts down Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip shenanigans and other abilities.
Deflecting Swat seems like a good way to protect your general from spot-removal.
Last card I can suggest is Cataclysm. It's good for wiping the board once you've landed your general, and making people lose their lands serves as protection for her. Also note that it totally wipes planeswalkers.
1 month ago
Interesting concept...I do have several concerns regarding the general functioning of the deck. 1. You only have 2 lands that come in to play untapped...I know you technically cheat on mana with the phyrexian mana, but that seems like it would be painful very quick.
Does only having 20 lands let you cast your spells at a reasonable pace?
What are your goals for the deck as far as being consistent and fast?
Cards that I think can help.
Arcum's Astrolabe This will help you not only fix your mana, but it will enable you to run more basic lands which will come in untapped and speed the deck up considerably. A side plus is the obvious card draw.
Talismans or signets: Talisman of Indulgence or Rakdos Signet for example, can speed up your deck and also help fix your mana issues you may have. Not only that, but they work well with Mishra, Artificer Prodigy to speed up the deck, thin your deck, and help you avoid paying life for these spells.
Vedalken Engineer This cheap guy is an all-star when it comes to ramping up artifact decks. Could pay for a lot of different things if you try some of the signets/talismans.
Semblance Anvil This is one I'm not completely sure will help but imprinting an artifact creature could make things interesting, I suppose.
Noxious Revival Fits the theme of the deck and gives you some play against hate cards.
Just some ideas for thought. Hope it helps.
1 month ago
It's obviously already seeing tons of play in Burn.
And if you look in the less popular archetypes on mtggoldfish, it's all over the place in various midrange shells and even in Bogles. Like a third of the less popular decks are playing Lurrus, by the looks of it. Notably, it's not in a top midrange or control deck in modern yet.
It's also seeing widespread play in top decks in every single competitive constructed format. Standard, pioneer, modern, legacy, and vintage.
Is this card going to be banned in most formats, including modern?
Widespread play does not necessarily imply bans. See Uro, for instance. Or Arcum's Astrolabe in the formats where it is legal.
I brewed up a sweet Grixis Lurrus list with Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger. I would love to play it in tournaments once stores open back up because it looks really fun to play. But I don't want to drop $100 on playsets of Kroxa and Mishra's Bauble if Lurrus is going to be banned before stores even open. I would likely play Bauble with Lurrus in legacy and I would likely play Kroxa in a similar modern deck, but it's not as appealing.
Given that the last 3 sets have each had a card banned in a competitive constructed format, I don't like Lurrus's chances.
What do you guys think? Has WOTC done it again and doomed yet another newly printed card to the banlist, or will Lurrus be sticking around long enough to play with in paper?