I think you're doing a bit dirty in your assessment. can deal with noncreature permanents very well, a bit less with creatures, but specializes in removing all creatures, or all nonland permanents, or even all lands. On top of that, can interact with the stack, so I don't really understand what you mean by "Its weakness is in quickly dealing with opponents' creatures and other resources."

Well of course you see more overlap, because there is more overlap. Esper and Bant are both Blue-White-something, and will have more in common than Rakdos and Dimir, which are both just Black-somerhing. Three- color pairs are not just three colors paired, they're also three guilds paired. They all can overlap.

420MensRightsActivist I'd say that Jeweled Lotus and Mana Crypt strongly disagree with your assessment of the situation. If you Jeweled Lotus out Marwyn, the Nurturer into land + Quirion Ranger on turn 1, you can Invigorate into Ashaya, Soul of the Wild and go infinite mana on turn 2. What's the Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary line that's faster?

The speed of high-power EDH is largely decided by fast mana rocks nowadays, and Rofellos is incredibly poorly equipped to take advantage of those. Which is why I mentioned it in this topic.

There's also the corner cases of Raging Ravine and Den of the Bugbear, where, if you activate them multiple times, their triggered abilities will stack. If you activate Den of the Bugbear twice and stack with it, it will two times become a 3/2 goblin creature that brings a token when it attacks, therefor you will create two attacking tokens.

Have any of you actually played with Golos in the command zone? It's just boring. "Generic 5-color commander, you could literally go any direction building your deck, what do you mean boring?" Well, no matter the cards in your deck, the play pattern is always the same: race to get Golos out, then use the activated ability as many times as you can. It doesn't matter what cards are in your deck, if you're Shrine tribal, Chair tribal or Scout tribal, just ramp out Golos and go and play the top three cards of your deck as many times as you can. There's no creativity with it, and if you try to combat the strategy with removing the commander as much as you can: oh look, he fetches Ancient Tomb on etb, that's the commander tax accounted for, he'll be back next turn. "Cool mono black deck you built there, but have you considered Golos as your commander? It can find Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or Cabal Coffers when you need it, and if you just include Cascading Cataracts you will still be able to activate him without rigorously changing your mana base."

Golos is horribly homogenizing, and despite its open-endedness, the most boring commander I've ever had the pleasure of playing. I'm not sad it's gone.

Strip Mine wouldn't do it, with Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, and if you make your 5-color creature Child of Alara, single target removal also feels very bad :p

It's hard to make "I win the game, just like that" fun, it negates everything everyone has contributed to the game so far, and I feel the only reason people want it, is because they're not allowed to. Although they did unban Worldfire, and that does feel very similar. Not that unbanning that broke anything, I'm the only one I've ever seen resolve one '^^

That's the worst thing about the EDH banlist, the logic and consistency are very vague.

Unlife What tables do you play at that Trade Secrets would not be broken beyond belief?

The "voluntary" version of forced combat is introducing the Monarch, or a Coveted Jewel to the table. Nobody has to attack, but the majority of people can't resist poking in for a few damage just to draw that extra card. That's where the fun begins, as soon as you got rid of your own Monarch, most of the tables I've played at will kill themselves over it. I just sit back and watch people voluntarily swing their team at each other, reaping the benefits when the time is right. I find that more enjoyable than actually forcing it, however Disrupt Decorum is one of my favorite fogs, which also removes blockers for my Voltron commander to swing in.

Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary seems not that busted anymore with Dockside Extortionist running rampant through the format. I have a Marwyn, the Nurturer deck that would probably outspeed Rofellos in mana generation, as low mana elves are easier to bring into play early than actual lands with the forest type.

Boros equipment, Colossus Hammer it up with a Puresteel Paladin or something, Mass Hysteria, and watch the table tear itself apart.