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- Does an "elder dragon" count as a "dragon"?
- Does Dragon Tempest Trigger when Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker activates his +1 to become a dragon?
- Destroying Dragon Tempest When a Dragon Enters.
- Dragon tempest out, play serra ascendant with 30+ life. Does it have haste?
- Dragon Tempest and Descent of the Dragons
Whenever a creature with flying enters the battlefield under your control, it gains haste until end of turn.
Whenever a Dragon enters the battlefield under your control, it deals X damage to target creature or player, where X is the number of Dragons you control.
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Dragon Tempest Discussion
4 days ago
Not trying to sound rude, but the deck seems really unfocused outside of just getting big, free creatures.
Oni of Wild Places + Rakdos the Defiler : When Oni of Wild Places is in play, bring Rakdos the Defiler into play tapped and attacking with Kaalia's ability. Since you didn't declare Rakdos as an attacking creature, you ignore the first half of his ability. Deal damage, opponent sacs half their non-demon permanents. At the beginning of your next upkeep, use Oni's ability to put Rakdos back into your hand to repeat the process.
Kaalia was one of my first EDH commanders and I loved her, but she draws way too much attention at the table. So I've started going with commanders who don't have such a huge presence. One guy I know runs a bunch of land destruction/discard with her to make sure that opponents have a really hard time responding to Kaalia and her hoard.
If I can offer some advice for things to take out...
Tariel, Reckoner of Souls - Not a bad card by any means, but in Kaalia unless you plan on randomly resurrecting your opponents' creatures, this probably won't do much.
Utvara Hellkite - Not a bad card on it's own, but it just really shines in a dragon tribal deck imo. Again, a card I can't imagine you getting a whole lot of mileage out of.
Dragon Tempest - Again, another card really focused for dragon tribal.
5 days ago
I was thinking about my Reveillark alternative win-con's,
Hatred is CMC5 () and just needs Kaalia of the Vast but also likes guys like Baneslayer Angel , Gisela, Blade of Goldnight , Gisela, the Broken Blade , Lyra Dawnbringer , Serra Ascendant or Whip of Erebos .
Was thinking, it's a different win-con (only 1 player too in some cases), but other than being high CMC, would allow me to cheat in an A/D/D and Commander Damage kill a player if left unblocked as well (Instant speed).
Combat Celebrant is enticing because of his CMC3 (), other than his obvious Exert ability which can land 2 A/D/D in 1 turn, do some mass damage with someone like Balefire Dragon or Gisela, Blade of Goldnight , but his real power is that he doesn't need the sac outlet.
Potentially a win-con with someone like, Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Demonlord Belzenlok , Doom Whisperer , Hellkite Tyrant , Razaketh, the Foulblooded , Etc. unless there is something large enough to block the Trample indefinitely. Doesn't matter if Combat Celebrant is blocked, just making the copy, allows for the next attack to occur. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker never gets in harms way.
I'm sure there are more ways to abuse him, Splinter Twin obviously, which doesn't work with Buried Alive but can replace Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker in most/all? combos too. could tutor Splinter Twin pretty easily. Idyllic Tutor for example could also pull me an Animate Dead etc, feel there could be some good build out around Combat Celebrant for combos, and just his natural talent when attacking with large A/D/D.
Adarkar Valkyrie also gave me:
I just found neither Adarkar Valkyrie or Aurelia, the Warleader properly ETB triggered with Kaalia of the Vast , and I was never tutoring either of them because they aren't that impactful, so ended up removing Adarkar Valkyrie and then later Aurelia, the Warleader to focus more on the primary win-con with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Restoration Angel .
Crucible of Worlds more inline with a classic Kaalia of the Vast , which the Infinite Combat phases + Land Destruction is part of the reason (as well to a degree the amount of hate Kaalia of the Vast receives as a commander), is why she fell to Tier 3, from Tier 2.5 previously. If I have a Grand Abolisher I don't care, but if I don't, sometimes there is surprise when they have 40 life and think they are unkillable by Kaalia of the Vast and leave themselves open and I can swoop in on T4 with the Restoration Angel horde!
It's been a long time since I needed to resort to Reveillark , either I've won, or someone else has combo'd before I really get to a point of attempting a Reveillark win. Combat Celebrant , I feel like I could also use, Entomb / Gamble , example:
Entomb > Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Mausoleum Secrets > Reanimate . With a Combat Celebrant and anything to attack with, I'm good to go. ( Entomb makes Mausoleum Secrets more valuable to me too). He also doesn't get haste from Dragon Tempest either, so that's another negative.
He can't really Turn 1 so that's kinda why I was thinking more along the lines of Hatred even without augmenting the Lifelink. Life also fuels my speed, Draw/Mana/Tutor, so not sure of the impact to my game post Hatred .
Dark Ritual , Simian Spirit Guide , Mox Diamond all increase T1 potential, but I always worry about, outside of T1 do they have much value. Dark Ritual can cast a Necropotence so it has some benefit and with other cards Buried Alive + Reanimate .
My current challenge is Faithless Looting , I think it needs to go back in, have to decide what to remove. In games where I draw my Karmic Guide or Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker I'm usually like T9 because I have to actually cast them and at CMC5, it's just not realistic with the other costs ( Buried Alive CMC3 and Reanimate CMC1) thats, CMC9, never going to happen. A Faithless Looting makes it CMC5 only. Faithless Looting also has some nice synergies if I don't have an A/D/D in my hand and Kaalia of the Vast is ready to go.
I agree, when is a deck every truly complete. Ever time I play I learn something new about my deck, or a Razaketh, the Foulblooded comes a long and takes over top dog spot in my decklist, and makes Griselbrand being Griselbanned a little easier to take.
1 week ago
Hey, Dragon Tempest , Utvara Hellkite and Dragonmaster Outcast are among the best Dragon themed cards to play. Tempest is more ways to give Dragons haste including Zirilan as well do some damage to opponent or creature when you cheat Dragons into play. Utvara should always be your first Dragon to search for with Zirilan since haste means she will create a 6/6 Dragon when she attacks. Dragonmaster is good in multiplayer Commander because he's a possible repeatable source of Dragons. Utvrara and Dragonmaster are busted with Tempest.
Consider Gamble and Chaos Warp ? They're staple red cards since their effects are not something that traditionally red has access to (unconditional tutor and enchantment removal). More two drop mana rocks are helpful for ramp since Kirilan requires a lot of mana to get going. The two drop mana rocks you play don't have to make red mana since making red mana will not be a problem with so many Mountains. The mana rocks just need to create mana for ramp and in my opinion consider a lot of mana rocks? Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone , Thought Vessel , Ruby Medallion , Dragon's Hoard , Everflowing Chalice , Prismatic Lens ? Ashnod's Altar lets you make mana by sacing a Dragon or token copy before your end step, if it's going to die anyway might as well make some mana.
Thousand-Year Elixir can also give Zirilan haste as well as untap him to potentially use his ability another time during your turn or during an opponents turn. Tel-Jilad Stylus is helpful to put a Dragon back into your library after it attacks so it's not saced EOT. Dragon Mage is a very good Dragon when it has haste because red lacks many draw options and Mage is repeatable draw each time it hits an opponent. Dragon Tyrant is good when it has haste, hitting for 12 flying/trample damage.
Good luck with your deck.
2 weeks ago
About lands - I think that actually Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep isn't that great. If you want more sources then I'd actually suggest better fixing, namely City of Brass , Mana Confluence , Llanowar Wastes , Karplusan Forest and Fellwar Stone might be a good idea.
Infinite combos are actually very good when you all are in a tight spot when nobody can win the game and it already feels like going for too long. Also I personally try to use them to win with stronger decks, while with less cutthroat playgroup I prefer to win with normal combat damage or damage triggers from Scourge of Valkas and/or Dragon Tempest so overall it's good to have that option but it's execution and usage is only up to you.
One more thing - I'd cut some less optimal Dragons for more ramp options like Demanding Dragon for Skyshroud Claim or Thunder Dragon for Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma (might not look like a ramp but not only makes dragons cost less but you have additional source of Trample for them).
I'm really glad that you liked my insight, I just love tinkering Dragon decks :D
3 weeks ago
I can see why you said Crop rotation, shared animosity, in the web of war, dragon tempest, decent of dragons, ophiomancer, and Endrek Sahr. Dragon Tempest & Decent of dragons are more pet cards than anything else.
The other 3 cards are just plain nasty with prossh, not sure why you mentioned to cut those. Mind explaining your reasoning? If you havent tried them before, they have just flat out won me games, especially
allowing me to cast prossh multiple times in 1 turn to just kill everyone!
I took a look at your deck and its themed on stealing creatures to use em and sac before they get it back, allot of fun and even funnier when you see the salt building on your opponents! I used to run more of those effects with my old playgroup but the guys I play with now are more combo/spell sling focused so stealing creatures doesn't really do anything impactful anymore.
3 weeks ago
You could probably replace Dragon Tempest with Rhythm of the Wild , if you're really looking for the redundancy with that effect, unless you really like Dragon Tempest 's effect, and if you find that it really pays off for you. You could probably switch any of your land tutor spells for Growth Spiral , if you really feel you need that card in there. You probably don't need it, though. A card like that, you'll likely hold until you have a land in your hand. A card like Rampant Growth , however, you won't likely hold. Something to consider.
A card you might consider for this deck, and one I find usually pays dividends in Big Dumb Animal decks like this, is Sunbird's Invocation . Cast a dragon with this in play, and you'll likely end up playing another dragon for free.
Hope this helps.
1 month ago
By the way, I'm honestly not sure... are you sure the Panharmonicon , Dragon Tempest , Broodmate Dragon combo works that way? As far as I know, when several ETB effects trigger at the same time, it's up to you which one you want to resolve first. Obviously, you'd put the dragons into play first. So shouldn't they all be making 6 damage, for a total of 18? I feel like the damage gets calculated when the ability gets resolved. Really not sure though.
1 month ago
A Sentinel Totem or two may do more for you than Tormod's Crypt , considering the open mana in the early turns. While casting it T2 forecasts that you might not have a Terminate in hand, that's not information the opponent can always bank on, and you get a scry trigger from it (or two with the excellent Panharmonicon ).
Have you tested what Dragon Hatchling can do as your T3 play off of a T2 Dragon Tempest ? Dragon Egg is an exciting card when it works, but getting to suspend a Search for Tomorrow in addition to getting a dragon might be worth a egg or two.
Dragon Tempest occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.03%