Mossfire Valley

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Premodern Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Mossfire Valley

Land

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Seansy on Land Mana Pie Chart

3 months ago

On a related note my Mosswort Bridge is showing up as Mossfire Valley

bushido_man96 on How Many Dual Lands Should …

6 months ago

Playing in black and white, you don't have any issues with card draw, so I wouldn't concern yourself with putting card draw options in your mana base too much.

I personally don't like filter lands like Fetid Heath or Mossfire Valley, or anything from those cycles. It's like having signets in your mana base, and that just bothers me for some reason. I don't want to pay mana to tap a land for two mana.

I would say that you would probably want to run between 10 and 12 dual type lands in a two-colored deck, depending on the balance of the two colors in the deck. Of course, your mileage may vary. I like to run as many basics as I can. If budget isn't a concern for you, then running all the pricy duals may be your jam. My budget is limited, so I run rather budget mana bases, usually with tapped lands. Aside from the dual lands you run, staples like Command Tower and Exotic Orchard help to smooth things out. And don't forget about useful utility lands, based on what your deck wants to do. Ghost Quarter and Tectonic Edge are always pretty useful.

legendofa on Chishiro Precon Duplicates

7 months ago

From other internet sources, all copies were packaged with two Mossfire Valleys.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/kamigawa-neon-dynasty-commander-decklists-2022-02-07

The official statement says that it should be replaced by a land, but there's some suggestion it should have been a Nissa, Voice of Zendikar.

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/122/nissa-voice-of-zendikar

TypicalTimmy on Chishiro Precon Duplicates

7 months ago

I figured this could go in Gear. Please move to a more appropriate location if there is one <3

I just opened the Chishiro, the Shattered Blade precon and got TWO Mossfire Valley, lmao

Did anyone else open this precon yet? Did they also get two? Wondering if this is a one-off mistake or an actual packaging error. Ha.

Unfortunately I was sorting the cards into different piles with other decks when I noticed this, so I am not sure if the deck came with 101 cards or 100 and missing one with a second Mossfire in it's place.

multimedia on Cheap dragon

7 months ago

Hey, if this is your first deck well done so far on a low budget. Nice Breeding Pool :)

Your deck doesn't have a Commander. I presume Tiamat is your Commander? To fix this in the deck editor where you see the text of all the cards in your deck add the CMDR tag to the end of Tiamat text.

Tiamat *CMDR*

When you save and return to the decklist you'll see Tiamat as the Commander with a card image.


For a starting deck, nice deck building, you have good card sense on a budget and other than needing a lot more lands there's mot many changes to consider. You have plenty of people helping you so my advice will be for the manabase.

It's helpful in deck building that you include the number of lands you need first that way those deck spots are filled to give you a better idea of the deck spots that are left. You have to have lands thus fill all the spots you need with them and don't cut lands to add other cards as that's not going to help your deck building process in the long run. Start with putting 36 lands, doesn't matter what lands, can be all basics just fill those spots.

All the basic lands are in the sideboard which is not helping your deck building, put them main deck because you need them and you have to make a lot of cuts to fit them in. The 21 lands main deck is a good budget manabase, but I'm not a fan of Signet lands (Mossfire Valley) since they don't tap for mana unless you have another mana source. Tango lands are budget dual lands that care about basic lands whcih is nice when playing a lot of basics. They have two different basic land types making them searchable with Farseek, Cinder/Vista with Lore/Visits. Because you have Lore/Visits then adding a black Forest dual land can search for a black source.

Breeding, Cinder, Vista, Woodland gives you a choice from each color from a Forest land. If you look at the color pie of your deck in the top left corner it's showing green and red as the two most important colors. The number of basic lands doesn't reflect this. Switch the amount of Swamps and Mountains around.

The biggest changes you have to make is including all the basic lands from the sideboard meaning you need to cut at least 14 cards. Some cuts to consider:

  • Hour of Promise
  • Circuitous Route
  • Migration Path
  • Dragon's Disciple
  • Red Dragon
  • White Dragon
  • Green Dragon
  • Black Dragon
  • Blue Dragon
  • Darigaaz Reincarnated
  • Purifying Dragon
  • Dire-Strain Rampage
  • Wizard Class
  • Crucible of Fire
  • Frontier Siege
  • Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury

Four CMC or higher ramp is less needed when you have excellent two drop ramp and other three drop ramp. The Red/White/Green/Black/Blue Dragons are not needed because they're not as good as other Dragons here and Tiamat gives you more freedom to play the better Dragons since he can tutor for them. Dragons don't really need a +3/+3 anthem or Kolaghan's pump effect since they're already flying with high p/t and she doesn't provide any other value.

Good luck with your deck.

eliakimras on Ghired - Precon Primal Genesis - Heavy Upgrade

7 months ago

If I can suggest something, Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist is great in a deck where you can tap and untap her at will, but not here. If you want some protection from attacks, Ghostly Prison and Reconnaissance serve you better (activating Reconnaisance during your "end of combat" step effectively gives your creatures vigilance).

I see you run Akroma's Will, Boros Charm, Heroic Intervention and Flawless Maneuver. Unless you play in a boardwipe-heavy meta, you can remove the Charm and Intervention for Gamble (if you can trade into it) and Helm of the Host. 9 mana is expensive to tech into, but it is a instant win condition with many of your cards, unlike Soul Foundry.

How reliable is Momentous Fall in your deck? The more I play, the more I value repeated draw on permanents (like Keeper of Fables) over single-use instant or sorceries (and I started as a blue control mage - dark times indeed). But if the Keeper is not working for you, bring back Eladamri's Call to get the creature you need from your deck, even if it is just to ramp into Ghired.

Lastly, unless you play against nonbasic land hate, I believe you should include Gavony Township, and Kessig Wolf Run in your deck. They are mana sinks stapled on lands for when you have unused mana laying around or don't want to commit your cards in hand. If you're worried about not having the proper colored mana with that many lands, Skyshroud Elf fix you for all and costs while ramping you for . Also, you can run Mossfire Valley and Sungrass Prairie to filter colorless into colored mana.

DreadKhan on Cheap dragon

7 months ago

Alright, I'll try to keep that in mind and minimize the jargon. One thing I'd say about running lands, it's easy to end up with less than you actually need. The difference between 36 and 38 is extremely minor in terms of how many lands you can draw, so the exact number isn't that important, but if you have a higher cost Commander (Tiamat has a Mana Value of 7, or MV 7), you'll want ramp. A higher cost is usually any Commander requiring more than 4 mana, and/or one that requires more than 2 colours, either makes a Commander harder to cast. I end up on 38 in a deck like Reaper King, but I also use a lot of ramp in that deck to generate the huge mana values that deck can require. This deck probably wants anywhere from 36-42 lands, with 42 being where you want to be if you run relatively few ramp effects, 36 would mean running more of them, at least 10. You should probably run Command Tower. Temple of the False God is a risky land in a deck that isn't running a lot of lands, I hate to run it with less than 40 in a deck unless I have a payoff for a land tapping for 2.

It's worth considering basing your mana base around Green, not because most of the cards will be Green but to use Green ramp spells/mana dorks. I'm guessing you aren't aiming to spend a lot on this, so the cheapest $$$ way to increase your mana available is to use Green spells which can find Basic lands for you. Circuitous Route, Harrow, Roiling Regrowth, Search for Tomorrow, and Dire-Strain Rampage are all very good ramp effects, with most of them being cheap and able to find you colours of mana you might need. Sacrificing a land can be a good thing if you've got several of the same Basic land, which can happen easily. There are a ton of other ramp spells, many quite cheap, especially if you don't mind 3 mana effects. Spells that find land can be much better than artifacts, because artifacts can be blown up very easily compared to lands. I would also look for ones that can find any Basic land compared to ones that can only find a Forest unless you want to raise the budget a bit, as these lands are generally more expensive, but Kaldheim has 10 Snow type dual lands, one for each pair, and they are fairly cheap, and ramping with one of these off of Three Visits or Nature's Lore feels really good, but it'll be more investment. There are a lot of effects that find Forests and can find non-Basic Forests like Breeding Pool or Rimewood Falls, and finding one of those can really help make sure you can cast Tiamat. I would still play cards like Arcane Signet and Sol Ring, and most 2 MV mana artifacts are good cards usually.

A card that should be very useful in Tiamat would be Maskwood Nexus, which makes all creatures, wherever they are (in your hand, library, graveyard, or in play) are all every creature type, including Dragons, so Tiamat can find any 5 creatures. If you end up playing many cards that care about Dragons, this is worth looking at. Silverglade Pathfinder and Dreamscape Artist are pretty helpful some games as creatures that can also ramp you, potentially repeatedly if you are playing Casual games where you have a few more turns.

Interaction to protect your creatures can be very useful, Bolt Bend and Stubborn Denial are interesting options for you in a deck that will often have a power 4 creature out. Disdainful Stroke can stop board wipes, and Saw it Coming can stop anything in it's track, involving only U to cast, I would watch out for counterspells that cost UU (Blue Blue mana) to cast, this can be hard to arrange. You might think of Vindicate and/or Utter End to have removal vs any type of permanent, AFAIK neither is very expensive atm. There are 5 'Signet lands', Darkwater Catacombs, Skycloud Expanse, Shadowblood Ridge, Mossfire Valley and Sungrass Prairie are all very cheap and pretty good dual lands. Ash Barrens is a very good way to find a needed colour, especially Green. The World Tree is getting up there a bit, but it's a card worth looking at in 5 colours, especially if you run plenty of cards that find lands for you. If you have especially good non-Basic lands, IE lands that tap for 2 or more, Crop Rotation, Hour of Promise and Reap and Sow are all worth considering, finding a World Tree or other especially good land can be much stronger than finding a Basic. Faeburrow Elder and Jegantha, the Wellspring are very good ways to generate mana, probably don't run Jegantha as a Companion, just put him in the deck and you have no restrictions from him.

Well, that's what I'm thinking of right now, I'll probably have more later for you. I'll try to think of cards that are cheap and work for your deck, it might be a few posts before I've run out of relevant thoughts.

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