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Bonders' Enclave Discussion
1 week ago
1 week ago
If your going to play Eerie Ultimatum play more self mill, this will also have better synergy with the commander
You don't draw enough cards either - Bonders' Enclave - Tatyova, Benthic Druid - any of the modern horizons cycling lands - Splendid Reclamation (sortof) - Mystic Remora - Rhystic Study - Omen of the Sea - Brainstorm - Nissa, Vital Force - Elemental Bond
1 week ago
Upon reading your comments:
2) I agree with you about Altar of Dementia. I initially failed to realize that it was included as part of the token package. Once the token package was removed, Altar of Dementia was ineffective and a waste of a card slot. Without a bunch of token creatures and Craterhoof Behemoth, Altar of Dementia is easily expendable in this deck.
4) I don't want to be "that guy" with this deck. I do have a copy of Blightsteel Colossus for the purposes of eliminating any unfair or unfun players from the table. I once had the Savage Ventmaw and Aggravated Assault combo in this deck, but took it out. I didn't want to go infinite with this deck.
I also did not have a copy of Nylea, Keen-Eyed. I was bummed-out about that, but once I acquire a copy she'll fly right into Xenagos's waiting arms!
I play-tested the following ten changes:
This was the biggest difference for me during the initial play-testing of these changes. Godo, Bandit Warlord fetched Embercleave every time. Once, I entwined Tooth and Nail to put onto the battlefield Godo, Bandit Warlord and Worldspine Wurm. The Embercleave came into play and then was equipped to Worldspine Wurm. At combat, Xenagos, God of Revels gave Worldspine Wurm +16 +16 to enable a 32/32 trampling and double-striking beat-down. In another game, Xenagos, God of Revels was cast on turn four followed by Godo, Bandit Warlord on turn five. After he fetched Embercleave and it was equipped to him, combat ensued and Godo, Bandit Warlord got +4 +4 and haste, enabling an 8/8 trampling, double-striking and hasty attacker. Then, after the additional combat phase, Godo, Bandit Warlord attacked as a 16/16 trampling double-striker. This 48 damage knocked the opponent right out of the game. Godo, Bandit Warlord is awesome in this deck!
As hoped, I was always able to cast Ghalta, Primal Hunger for a handful of mana, and often for just . With a couple of bigguns in front of him, getting Ghalta, Primal Hunger into play with Xenagos, God of Revels on the battlefield was game-ending.
I did not draw Giant Adephage once. I did not tutor for it either.
5) Here's where it gets a little complicated. I failed to record a change I made to this deck list when I swapped out Malignus for Rampaging Brontodon prior to posting on tappedout. So, technically, Malignus was not in the deck and Rampaging Brontodon was. It just wasn't reflected in the deck list. As play-testing began, I decided to leave Gaea's Cradle in the deck and not make a change. However, after multiple times of putting into a play a useless Gaea's Cradle (that hurts to say!) or one that only taps for , I decided this card deserved a deck more fitting for its level of power. So, I eventually replaced Gaea's Cradle with Malignus and was happy I did. During one of the games I Malignused one of my opponents out of the game on turn five. Malignus is back!
I did not draw Momentous Fall once during play-testing.
I did not draw Return of the Wildspeaker once during play-testing.
I did not draw Reap the Past once during play-testing.
As predicted, The Great Henge is bonkers in this deck. In one game, I was able to cast The Great Henge for and then cast Ghalta, Primal Hunger for on the same turn! Having Ghalta, Primal Hunger enter the battlefield with a +1 +1 counter and drawing a card was awesome. Aside from Godo, Bandit Warlord, The Great Henge was the most noticeable game-changing addition made to the deck during this initial phase of play-testing.
As mentioned earlier, fetching-out Stomping Ground and Cinder Glade with Skyshroud Claim felt good. It felt really, really good. These lands are unfetchable with Thaumatic Compass Flip or Migration Path. Good suggestion!
Additionally, the overall speed of the deck was noticeable as well. I was threatening opponents by turn four or five every game.
I plan to continue play-testing until I have been able to play with all of the potential new inclusions. I appreciate your suggestions and your kind words regarding my responses. The Magic Community is important to me and it becomes stronger with positive communication. Thank you for being a part of that.
1 week ago
Very cool list I play a similar list.
I can also highly recommend to add some of these cards:
- Strip Mine/Wasteland
- Scavenger Grounds/Bonders' Enclave
- Summoner's Pact !!!
- Pendelhaven/Castle Garenbrig
- Lead the Stampede, Voice of Many or Compost instead of Harmonize
- Rishkar's Expertise instead of Shamanic Revelation
- Return of the Wildspeaker (/Ezuri, Renegade Leader/Craterhoof Behemoth)
- Thousand-Year Elixir
2 weeks ago
Yes, definitely. I don't want to be misunderstood. I know eliminating one higher CMC creature (Moldgraf Monstrosity) and replacing it with a lesser CMC creature (Quartzwood Crasher) will not lower the overall CMC of a deck in any noticeable way. That potential swap was in conjunction with the other suggestions made for the purposes of lowering the overall CMC of this deck.
I like the suggestion of Bonders' Enclave. Every creature in the deck has power four of greater, so activating this land to draw a card should be easy.
Lifeblood Hydra is an awesome card. I've wanted it for a while but it's forever out of stock.
Nylea, Keen-Eyed seems like a great addition. Reducing the CMC of creatures and digging through the top of a library are aces!
The Great Henge is an automatic inclusion.
I hadn't thought of Godo, Bandit Warlord. It makes sense to include him in order to fetch Embercleave, equip it to him, activate Xenagos's ability, attack, activate Xenagos's ability again and then attack again. Godo, Bandit Warlord curves from Xenagos, God of Revels perfectly. At , under the scenario mentioned above, Godo, Bandit Warlord can attack for a total of 48 damage in one turn. With early ramp that's an early turn knock-out of an opponent. Great suggestion!
I plan to task myself with attempting to include the following cards:
The Great Henge (card draw and ramp)
Migration Path (card draw or ramp)
Bonders' Enclave (card draw)
Nylea, Keen-Eyed (card draw and ramp)
Reap the Past (graveyard recursion)
Quartzwood Crasher (big trampler, makes other tramplers)
Giant Adephage (big trampler, makes other tramplers)
Ghalta, Primal Hunger (really big trampler)
My initial thoughts are to eliminate the following ten cards in order to include the aforementioned ones:
If some of the creatures utilized for the token package are going to be eliminated, might as well eliminate the entire package.
Again, these are my initial thoughts. I'd like to play-test in order to realize the benefits of these changes. If we proceed with these lists, the potential swaps would look something like this:
Adding another trampling creature that can create other trampling creatures seems like an improvement. Additionally, the mana investment is reduced by two.
Without an army of tokens and/or other creatures, Chancellor of the Forge is weak. Godo, Bandit Warlord is a great fit for Xenagos, God of Revels and Embercleave. Plus, we save a little on the CMC. This is a lethal addition!
Without an army of tokens and/or other creatures, Craterhoof Behemoth is not as effective. Choosing Ghalta, Primal Hunger as a replacement seems acceptable. A 12/12 trampler that will most likely never cost is a great addition to the deck. With almost any of our creatures under our control, Ghalta, Primal Hunger will cost less than Craterhoof Behemoth. Another reduction in CMC.
Living Hive was another piece of the token package that seems out of place without the rest of the pieces. This change provides another slight reduction in CMC. Giant Adephage also can create big copies of itself with trample.
This is maintaining some form of graveyard recursion while reducing the overall CMC of the deck.
Migration Path provides quicker ramp and the potential for card draw if it's cycled.
Nylea, Keen-Eyed provides ramp and card draw on the body of an indestructible creature/enchantment. Replacing Mossfire Valley, which admittedly is one of the weaker lands in the deck, is a massive upgrade.
I will mull over these potential changes. Originally, the token package was included in order to provide an additional win condition (Comet Storm). Eliminating this option will put the onus of victory through combat in nearly every game, aside from Altar of Dementia. Perhaps these changes will be effective and additional win conditions are unnecessary. I want to learn more through play-testing before making any official changes to the deck list. We shall see.
Thank you again for your suggestions! I appreciate your time and effort!
2 weeks ago
Looks good! You might like these: Herald of the Host, Sunbond, Cradle of Vitality, Well of Lost Dreams, Resplendent Angel, Bonders' Enclave, Tome of Legends, Endless Atlas, Bottled Cloister, Path of Ancestry, Emeria, The Sky Ruin, Empyrial Storm, Irregular Cohort, Strata Scythe, Blackblade Reforged, Heirloom Blade
2 weeks ago
no Goblin Engineer? You might like these too: Idol of Oblivion, Furious Rise, Outpost Siege, Vance's Blasting Cannons Flip, Bonders' Enclave, Sequestered Stash, Liquimetal Coating, Mimic Vat, Wayfarer's Bauble, Expedition Map, Mirrorworks, Manifold Key
3 weeks ago
Beast Whisperer - Weakest suggestion but worth mentioning
Bonders' Enclave - Takes a land slot
Greater Good - BEST card for your deck ever. Run this or you're dumb, period
Harmonize - Decent draw
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth - Not needed at all, but he's fun. 24/24 annilar 4 with haste and draw 4? Damn
Lifecrafter's Bestiary - Scry and draw
Life's Legacy - Draw, beware of blue
Momentous Fall - See above, in response to removal
Nylea, Keen-Eyed - Ramp and draw, being similar to xenagos makes him harder to get rid of
Return of the Wildspeaker - Draw or pump
Rishkar's Expertise - VALUE
Skullclamp - Nice to use on dorks other weak bodies
Sylvan Library - Nice to have, not necessary, but very helpful
Tireless Tracker - Decent but worth mentioning
If you add even half of this card draw, your deck will improve tremendously. Maintaining gas is crucial.
Once we discuss each of these options, I would be more than happy to discuss creatures with you. Lmk