As an additional cost to play Crop Rotation, sacrifice a land.
Search your library for a land card and put that card onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library.
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|Duel Decks: Nissa vs. Ob Nixilis (DDR)||Common|
|Urza's Legacy (ULG)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Crop Rotation occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.5%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.07%
GU (Simic): 0.49%
BRG (Jund): 1.0%
Crop Rotation Discussion
10 hours ago
Kinda interesting not to see Crop Rotation
Is that a miss or somehow intentionally not included?
It seems to me that we really need that Gaea's Cradle to combo out in one turn with our relatively expensive tutors.
2 days ago
For myself and others, how to optimally pilot the deck
Philosophy behind the deck, ideally should be played with 2+ other players.
You are a hard to kill end game boss, blue is boring busted and broken and is also expensive. Try to go for cards that will keep your hand healthy since we are not running blue so think how much you can squeeze out of one card for maximum value.
while Triskelion will want cards like Defense of the Heart , Tooth and Nail with the added 2 colorless for entwine (if it's already in hand just pick a different creature and still summon the creatures you want in hand.)
Shifting Shadow will still work even if you are trying to destroy an indestructible creature during upkeep reveal the next creature while still keeping the previous one. Can be easily retrieved if no graveyard hate.
Sun Titan can even get a land into play
Chromatic Lantern can negate damage lands and lands with downside and can make useless lands useful.
Birthing Pod you can sacrifice zero cmc token creatures for a one drop ect.
1 week ago
With Gaea's Cradle, you definitely need to run Crop Rotation. I organized your deck by converted mana cost and noticed you have quite a number of cards at 5 mana. 16 of them. But you don't have very much ramp to support it. Considering your commander cost 6, and his triggered ability costs 3, you really need to ramp hard in order to have the most successful turns. Plus, landing a big dragon on turn 4 is nothing to scoff at. You've got Selesnya Signet, Gruul Signet, and Boros Signet are good in general. Thran Dynamo and Worn Powerstone are favorites of mine if you're okay with colorless mana. For a token deck, Cryptolith Rite works wonders. I would cut down on the number of 5 mana cards. Mogg Infestation can be detrimental. Juniper Order Ranger has little impact and doesn't have great impact as time goes on. Conqueror's Pledge is just slow for your deck.
1 week ago
Hey, nice work in progress at upgrading the precon :)
I don't know what the meta you play in is like, but what I can give you is overall advice on how to upgrade the precon. What the precon needs is early game ramp, tutors, haste enablers for Ghired and repeatable protection for Ghired in combat so he can safely attack and populate. Rhinos are really the only threat you need as long as you can keep attacking with Ghired.
Cards within the budget to consider adding:
- Ramp: Birds of Paradise, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves
- Ramp: Smothering Tithe, Faeburrow Elder
- Ramp: Arcane Signet, Wild Growth
- Tutor: Eladamri's Call, Finale of Devastation, Worldly Tutor, Fierce Empath
- Tutor: Enlightened Tutor, Idyllic Tutor, Open the Armory
- Tutor: Crop Rotation, Sylvan Scrying
- Haste: Lightning Mauler, Ogre Battledriver, Hammer of Purphoros
- Repeatable Protection: Mother of Runes, Reconnaissance, Eldrazi Displacer
- Recursion: Eternal Witness, Regrowth
- Lands: Temple Garden, Stomping Ground, Brushland, Karplusan Forest, Grove of the Burnwillows, Rugged Prairie, Battlefield Forge
- Removal: Swords to Plowshares, Vandalblast, Cataclysm, Wrath of God, Beast Within, Generous Gift
A problem with the precon is the high avg. CMC which is 3.9. This number means that consistently four drops or higher CMC cards will be in your hand which is very slow. Early game you don't want lots of four or higher CMC cards in your hand because you will not be able to cast them. Adding low mana cost ramp by cutting high mana cost cards can help to reduce this number.
There's a lot of high CMC cards here, in fact there's 36 four or higher CMC cards which is too much. There's a lot of high CMC threats and I don't think you need all of them. Instead of playing so many high CMC threats replace some of them with tutors which can get you the better cards/threats into your hand.
To be more competitive I would expand on combos and use most of the high CMC card spots for more combo cards rather than big creature threats. You have done this some what already by adding Purphoros, Helm for Aurelia and Godo, but consider expanding further. Cards for combos to consider adding:
- Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
- Aggravated Assault
- Bear Umbra
- Sigarda's Aid
- Savage Ventmaw
- Zealous Conscripts
- Impact Tremors
Combos that go with these cards:
- Kiki + Helm + Purphoros or Tremors for infinite damage.
- Kiki + Conscripts infinite hasty token Conscripts to attack. Add Purphoros or Tremors for infinite damage.
Outside of combos Kiki is good with populate because he can make a token copy of a nonlegendary creature and if you populate the token then that token doesn't go away at end of the turn. Kiki combos with Helm for infinite Kikis since the token copy of Kiki that's created by Helm is not legendary which allows Kiki to copy it.
- Assault + Umbra + five lands for infinite combats.
- Assault + Ventmaw for infinite combats and infinite green or red mana.
More infinite combat combos is good with Ghired because his power comes from him attacking. Outside of the combos Assault is a good card with Ghired because it can give you more attacks which is more populate.
A problem with Helm in all the combos, even Godo, is it's slow because you have to pay the five mana cost to equip it. Aid is a one drop which is worth including for Helm and Selves.
Good luck with your deck.
1 week ago
You're absolutely right! This deck does not need shortcuts ... It is a combo killer... and cards that retard the opponent's victory are unnecessary. I have a very similar deck and I added Glacial Chasm to, in extreme cases, help me to survive one, two turns .. Enough for the victory .... And still give me a draw trigger and use urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to be able to use it like Swamp ... And Crop Rotation is a good friend!
2 weeks ago
AlwaysSleepy If you can't understand why I would point out when a 0 decks 1 post account logs in after two years to call me a fucktard, then there isn't much more to discuss on that point.
As far as whether or not you suck, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I enjoy it when people with less or more experience post, as long as its discussing cards or linking new ones.
As far as building Urza midrange versus artifact focused, yes I understand why the choices are made. This just keeps coming back to some basic facts though. The commander makes mana from artifacts, and then uses lots of mana to get free spells. Running 12 counterspells is going to mess with Urza activations. In a vacuum, a counterspell is going to be better than a trinisphere, but do you know what card the deck always has access to, every single game, from turn 1? Urza! What does Urza do? Give mana from artifacts, and use mana to get free spells. Do you know what free spells are unfortunate to get from Urza activations? Counterspells!
To respond to your card comments
Legacy's Allure - I'm glad we are in agreement that this card should go.
Homeward Path - This card is very common as tech in Selvala and Yisan decks. Gilded Drake is a very popular card that can go into most competitive decks with blue as a piece of removal. Both Yisan and Selvala are extremely commander dependent while being mono colored, with the Crop Rotation already there in many builds. Just because the card is not run in the Shaper list does not mean the card does not see play, it is tech that shows up. Since the card makes those decks cry big fat tears when it is resolved, it goes in. Which brings us to
Pithing Needle and friends. There are enough of these effects and they are so rancid for this deck that you must be aware of them when you build. It is simply asinine to ignore how dire this card resolving is for this deck. The bigger problem with these types of cards is that this deck runs so little removal and places all emphasis on counterspells. As far as Needle appearing or not, just because it doesn't show up in a big name brewer list doesn't mean the card isn't played. I have seen many competitive commander decks slot this card. It is a strong hate card against many commanders, the card that everyone always has access to (if they run Homeward Path lol). This list crumples to turn 1 Pithing Needle and it serves as proof of what the card can do. 1 mana and 1 card to lock out a player from winning is significantly better than a counterspell. The card is mana denial against uncracked fetches (they can't crack in response to the naming), it hoses entire commanders, its great against the random planeswalkers that show up, its amazing against the random Animatou deck that showed up, it shuts off so many infinite combos and is such a strong answer that can go in any deck. P.S. it could even go into an Urza build
Aether Spellbomb - My thoughts exactly. Goes in for Allure
Recurring Insight - I can believe that anyone who has resolved it has won. There are caveats to that statement though. You're giving up big opportunity cost as you could have another card in that slot doing something else before 6 mana. It is also hard to protect it resolving, because it costs 6 mana. Let me use an analogy to make one last point. Just because I won by tutoring from Diabolic Tutor does not mean that Demonic Tutor is the same. You can run sub-optimal cards that lead to winning, that category would most likely encompass 99+% of decks made.
Mishra's Workshop - This card once again used to show flaws in deckbuilding. The commander focuses on artifacts. This deck doesn't have an artifact density high enough to run Workshop and put it to use. It runs 19 artifacts. This card and the commander make big mana for or from artifacts. After the lands, there are 68 slots. 19 are artifacts. This is another overall design flaw rather than weakness between the card and the commander.
Howling Mine - I agree that this card has risk associated with playing it. This is why timing is crucial. If played when Urza is on the board, you are able to advance meaningfully with an extra and card every turn for and 1 card. Howling Mine isn't great in a vacuum, but once again it goes really well with that one card we always have access to. Even if later Urza is removed, we got advantage from it first and we got it earlier. Giving all your opponents 1 extra card (so 3 total) on turn 5 is negated by getting an extra card for yourself on turn 3 and 4. Getting access to the cards earlier for us is worthwhile even if on a later turn our opponents are collectively getting 3 cards to our 3 cards. Timing is just required to make this card effective. I find it hilarious that this list realizes the benefit in running Winter Orb and Static Orb but glances over the same synergy with Howling Mine. Do you see how those cards also hurt you without your commander?
Trinisphere - Its totally not cut, just not in the list. The authors can put flowery words next to it but this card should be an auto include. Not having it here makes me question why.
Ensnaring Bridge - Not the best possible include but worth a consider if the deck is more artifact centric. Can hose down Tymna and also some win cons. Urza plays well with a small hand and a fatty board.
As far as "You're just going to get flashed on" I'm not advocating for eliminating counterspells completely. It could easily go down to 8 and you will still see counters in your opener. The forgiving mulligan rules of multiplayer with the added new London Mulligan makes it easy to go back for one if you see yourself sitting across from TnT.
Expedition Map - Leads to Tabernacle and leads to Inventor's Fair. You can use to go to Academy Ruins to plop back on top to continue to toolbox lands. Its a tutor in a relevant type that can become an engine in games where you have more space. In more artifact centric builds you can extend more into non-basic lands as fetch targets, because you will need less blue for counterspells and 6 mana draw spells and Legacy's Allure.
Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth is a usable combo in certain contexts. Gonna keep going back to this idea that we always have Urza in the command zone as being important to the development of the deck. Urza gives us A LOT OF MANA. Rings has a great effect, but needs A LOT OF MANA. See where I'm going here? When we get Rings activations onto fetches, we are double thinning and ramping ourselves, but we're also priming the deck for BETTER URZA ACTIVATIONS. You also get infinite mana loops with Codex Shredder and any card that goes to GY like a spell. Basalt is definitely a downgrade from Grim, but Rings is such an upgrade from Power Artifact for usefulness outside combo and mana isn't as much of an issue in Urza so I think its worthwhile.
As far as the rest of what you wrote, yeah nice dude this is a $4000 durdle list and you are out here defending it. These brewers are so isolated in their own meta they make absurd card choices and overall deckbuilding decisions. Yeah this list is trash dude, and my comments about people being sheep are funnier with every reply. Why are you out here schilling for this list? Idol worship or idle time?
3 weeks ago
Lanzo493 I like field of the dead, thank you for showing me that, Steam Vents was meant to be Scalding Tarn, just a brain fart on my end, thank you for pointing that out. Crop Rotation and Elvish Reclaimer both seem perfect as well, just got to decide on what to cut.
DemonDragonJ it is cheaper but I would rather not help my opponents out asymmetrically considering most decks I play against want the extra mana much more than I do.
3 weeks ago
Field of the Dead is perfect for any lands matters deck. If you have Dryad of the Ilysian Grove out, you can trigger both it and Valakut with a Scapeshift. You can remove Steam Vents since it’s illegal in your colors. Sulfuric Vortex is great at stopping life gain strategies. Crop Rotation gets you Valakut and Elvish Reclaimer gets you Valakut and extra mountains. In general, your deck is basically a Torbran deck with green for Scapeshift. So you can look at Torbran decks on EDHREC for more ideas on good red cards.