Liliana, Dreadhorde General
Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
Whenever a creature you control dies (is put into the graveyard from the battlefield), draw a card.
+1: Create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
-4: Each player sacrifices two creatures.
-9: Each opponent chooses a permanent they control of each permanent type and sacrifices the rest.
|Have (2)||gildan_bladeborn , lorddarkstar|
|Want (2)||CosmicDragon , NMJohn|
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|Secret Lair (SLD)||Mythic Rare|
|War of the Spark (WAR)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Liliana, Dreadhorde General Discussion
1 week ago
Todesflatulenz - I've found them to be a solid value engine in Commander. The +1 ability is very strong with fetchlands and cycle lands like Tranquil Thicket as this enables multiple landfall triggers and cycling. I think of them as a third Crucible of Worlds. Furthermore, the +1 also ensures that you have a land in hand for Lord Windgrace's +2 ability.
And though dealing only 1 damage isn't a lot, I've had my Wrenn and Six singlehandedly delay an early Liliana, Dreadhorde General from using it's ultimate for multiple turns, as well as take out annoying utility creatures.
Wrenn and Six is definitely at their strongest in Legacy (when they were legal) and Modern, but they surprised me in Commander as well. I am not sure how good they are in other decks besides dedicated lands decks though.
3 weeks ago
Everyone's deck will vary depending on their own financial situation but you are welcome.
Your creature base can be improved. As a rule of thumb for creatures generating tokens creatures with a CMC of 1-2 create one token and creatures with a CMC of 2-4 create 2 tokens.
A Planeswalker that is just made for a deck like this is Liliana, Dreadhorde General.
4 weeks ago
Hey, looks like your going for a Zombie tribal theme.
Going to have to make some sacrifices of five drop Zombies and here's some advice. Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Gray Merchant of Asphodel and The Scarab God are the only three you need the rest could be cut. Muldrotha, Grave Titan, Rooftop Storm and Liliana, Dreadhorde General are the only six drops you need.
I have a Zombie tribal Muldrotha deck that I made last year, Zombie Grave Wave (Budget). My deck is budget, $200, but it could give you some ideas and you can replace the budget alternatives I'm using with more expensive price cards that you have. More advice to improve your deck is to include Gravecrawler infinite combos since it's a Zombie.
Gravecrawler + Phyrexian Altar + Diregraf Captain/Plague Belcher/Bontu's Monument/Blood Artist/Vengeful Dead is an infinite combo to make all your opponents lose life. Sac Gravecrawler with Altar, use the one black mana to cast Gravecrawler from your graveyard and repeat. Gravecrawler + Altar is infinite casts of Gravecrawler from your graveyard which can be used with other cards. Diregraf Colossus is infinite 2/2 Zombies. Undead Augur/Secrets of the Dead/Guardian Project can draw into a win condition. Kill all your opponents creatures with Grave Pact.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Evolving Wilds
- Cabal Stronghold: don't need this land since you have Coffers.
- Dimir Aqueduct
- Golgari Rot Farm
- Simic Growth Chamber
- Font of Fertility
- Curse of Disturbance
- Curse of Predation
- Curse of Death's Hold
- Curse of Misfortunes
- Cruel Reality
- Door of Destinies
- Springbloom Druid
- Vile Rebirth
- Casualties of War
- Geralf's Mindcrusher
- Vulturous Zombie
- Perpetual Timepiece
- Gilded Lotus
- Amulet of Vigor: not worth playing just to have Bounce lands ETB untapped.
- Soulless One
- Gravebreaker Lamia
- Havengul Lich
- Nyxbloom Ancient
- Grave Betrayal
- Deadbridge Chant
- Bow of Nylea
- Greater Good
- Sultai Ascendancy
- Eternal Skylord
- Underrealm Lich
- Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
- God-Eternal Bontu
- God-Eternal Rhonas
- Fallen Shinobi
- Unbreathing Horde
- Black Market
- Corpse Harvester
To also make room for more lands and other card upgrades this is more than 13 card suggestions to consider cutting. Many of these suggestions are good cards, but are very much outclassed by other better cards in your deck already or you could add with such a high budget.
20x total lands is not enough for a functioning Commander deck. Want at least 30-36 lands depending on how high the avg. CMC of your deck is and how many additional mana sources you include. The current avg. CMC is 3.7 which is too high. What's making it this high is too many high CMC Zombies especially five drops.
I offer more advice if you would like. Good luck with your deck.
4 weeks ago
You don't need 39 lands. 37 max will suffice. Look to add Liliana, Dreadhorde General.
1 month ago
Great deck! Looks pretty fun! If you want an opinion on the sideboard and/or the deck, x2 Tymaret, Chosen from Death and x3 Murderous Rider in the mainboard instead of x2 Bloodthirsty Aerialist and x3 Sorin's Thirst as two damage to a creature and gaining two life isn't great. For the sideboard I would make it like this. 3x Duress, 3x Noxious Grasp, 2x Witch's Vengeance, 3x Leyline of the Void, 2x Ritual of Soot, and 2x Liliana, Dreadhorde General.
1 month ago
Alright, sorry to not get back to you in a super timely manner but I have done some testing on some of your suggestions so I had some more constructive feedback to give. So, I cut the Liliana, Dreadhorde General and the Cavalier of Night for 3 General Kudro of Drannith, and then cut Rankle, Master of Pranks for Plaguecrafter and tested that build. I must say I like it a lot, and I'm going to do some more testing. Also, I know that Murderous Rider is not a human, but I would argue that it is THE most efficient removal in the format, and I'm not really willing to make that cut because even though I could have more humans, I just think its a super flexible card.
1 month ago
That is a very good question, what to cut. I don't want to micromanage anything but here are cards I feel are "weak" with what you have going (also, keep Dash Hopes if your play group hates it, it must be good ;))
Out (?): Conclave Tribunal
Dictate of Erebos (I know, it's an amazing card, but without creature support it isn't actually doing anything for you. This is a soft cut, it's always going to put a little work in just like Butcher of Malakir)
I LOVE Subversion but is it really putting in enough UMPH for 5 CMC? I really like Righteous Cause but that's just me. Hissing Miasma is pretty cool too, no life gain but it's cheaper and deters attacks.
Consecrate / Consume (hope formatting works here) is a 4 cmc kind of squanky force sacrifice of the most dangerous (most powerful) creature of an opponent. I don't like it. You have a huge removal suite and this seems like a good cut. You have Orzhov, you are the removal king and you can Murder or Return to Dust
Consecrate / Consume is too situational to be useful in your go-to 100
Revival / Revenge is sexy, keep it. But look at what cards actually make it mean something. Serra Avatar Evra, Halcyon Witness Sunbond etc. Play around with it, but in my experience, it is rare for doubling your life total to more impactful than gaining 3 instances of life gain. (but look at Wall of Reverence
Cut Dismember for more "UMPH" (kill conditions) Cut Make a Stand for more "UMPH" (kill conditions) Cut Nightmare's Thirst It is too situational for you. We can find better removal. Find room for more "UMPH" (kill conditions) Cut Rootborn Defenses we're going to add some creatures who love life gain after this section
OK, stick with me on this one: Liliana, Dreadhorde General draws cards for dead creatures, right? But... you don't have creatures (really) in your deck... Not saying cut her, but she would and will be happier in a sacrifice black deck (Maybe a Sheoldred, Whispering One deck, I think you could do it). If you need to make cuts I'm saying she isn't doing much for you here but letting you draw sometimes.
We're not abusing Athreos, God of Passage but he's too awesome to cut. If he isn't pulling his weight in this deck you can ship me the card, I'll give you my address. ;)
Mentioned Butcher of Malakir before: awesome card as deterrence but it shines when you have a lot of token to sacrifice for value. not an immediate cut, but if you include Sheoldred, Whispering One and Dictate of Erebos you might want want to add some sacrifice/recursion to capitalize. Making your sacrifices give you advantage and hurt your enemies is the coolest thing black can do.
Cut Piper of the Swarm replace with Vampire Cutthroat or Vampire Nighthawk or Call to the Feast or really anything. Piper isn't helping your mechanics. Replace with Sunscorch Regent because that guy beefs up fast and hard.
Dusk is a great wipe and the dual nature of the card gives utility.
This is your call. I'd recommend Sunscorch Regent as a win-con.
Rebuff the Wicked is a fantastic counterspell, works with you control aspect. If it were me I'd add more card draw and Approach of the Second Sun and aim for that. Easier win con than Revel in Riches in my experience (have mardu deck based on treasure, removal and alternate win cons and Approach of the Second Sun is much easier and more reliable than Revel in Riches.
I don't know what else to say. You make your own Kambal deck. Just know you need some "UMPH" to take down your opponents beyond some life gain and drain. I love the build, but you need to 'seal the deal' as it were.