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When Detention Sphere enters the battlefield, you may exile target nonland permanent not named Detention Sphere and all other permanents with the same name as that permanent.When Detention Sphere leaves the battlefield, return the exiled cards to the battlefield under their owner's control.
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Detention Sphere Discussion
9 hours ago
My solution to the problem of defenders versus removal+attackers would be to get rid of most of the defenders. Keep a full set of Wall of Omens, the rest goes. Instead, get counterspells and removal. Supreme Verdict is an important part in this plan. Alternatively, a number of Ghostly Prison, but I'm not sure they are a mainboard solution. Detention Sphere van be used as removal, but can also take non-creatures. Ojutai's Command can be a pretty funny 1-of.
Is there a particular reason for only having Baneslayer Angel as the beatstick of this deck? You might play a few other things as well, perhaps Sun Titan (it feels good to replay a Wall of Omens/Detention Sphere for free from the graveyard), or the blue gearhulk, if you have a bit of coin to spend.
3 days ago
4xMana Leak, 3x Smother, 3xPorcelain Legionnaire (which is ofen played as a 2-drop), 1x Agony Warp This is 11 cards dedicated to surviving the early game. On top of that there are the Detention Spheres and the Scourglass, which can potentially be dropped on turn 3.
4 days ago
I think I made my description too detailed because it wont show anymore accordion blocks of stuff (I have a list of cards Im working on getting), but Im working on getting a Minamo, School at Water's Edge. I have wanted one for a while but I've never had the chance to trade for one! I like Duelist's Heritage, Im legitimately surprised I hadn't seen it before I saw your deck!
I am also working on getting Torrential Gearhulk and Snapcaster Mage, as well as Academy Ruins. I am working on getting a job (recently came of age to get one here) but the reason this deck has a lot of value is years of buying cards and trading! Not because I have money (So acquiring some pricier cards is a bit of a slow process) I wish I could get some expensive cards easier.
Rest in Peace is definitely a good idea, one of my friends runs an Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder EDH Sacrifice deck. You gave good suggestions to be sure, but the hardest part of this deck is keeping the correct balance of control, and hitting hard!
Thank you for the feedback!
5 days ago
APPLE01DOJ - I don't know. Yesterday, I could have written you an essay; today, I'm facing down Jace, the Mind Sculptor. I know nothing until further testing. I have rushed to bring back two copies of Liliana of the Veil to the list since the unbans, a card I had eschewed very quickly in my original construction of the deck, since it hardly favours the player drawing an extra card a turn; however, with the advent of Bloodbraid Elf and Jace TMS, opponents are now likely to be able to keep up with the CA of Phyrexian Arena, and as such, Liliana of the Veil is likely to be good again (even if the format is being overrun by lots of Bloodghast, Hollow One, and Faithless Looting).
However, I can offer a breakdown of how the creatures function in non-blue matchups:
a. Pack Rat:
The deck started with the set of Pack Rat. But that all in-strategy was soon found to be suboptimal - drawing multiple Pack Rats was unnecessary and rarely served any purpose; not to mention the speed of Modern means turn 2 Pack Rat is often too slow. As sweepers, Detention Sphere, and Maelstrom Pulse became common, and as Hollow One and Death's Shadow and Tasigur, the Golden Fang started to surface, Pack Rat lost some of its luster.
The natural question, then, if Pack Rat is slow and vulnerable, why play him at all? The answer: Pack Rat is ten cards in one card. Backed up with any kind of disruption and removal, he takes over the board and ends the game, quickly and unstoppably. Two activations are more than enough to put away games, and trading spot removal for Rats is a losing proposition. So in this list, he's gone from being a windmill early slam, to a lategame engine that turns dead land drops and discard spells into an army of creatures. Barring Path to Exile before a single activation is possible, Liliana, the Last Hope can always buy him back - one copy of the Rat, therefore, is ample.
I've covered the virtues of this card in a post above - essentially, he's my Tarmogoyf, but he flies. Whether he functions as The Abyss or as a 6/6 unblockable, he ends games very quickly, and many a game against combo/Tron has been put away by disruption into disruption into Demon. Of the quick clocks available to black, he's one of the better ones. I believe the added utility to be well worth the extra two mana over Goyf (besides, far be it from me to argue against 6 6 fliers for four - speaking of which, Demon is almost always a strictly superior option to Abyssal Persecutor, since Persecutor requiring us to find an additional kill spell for our own demon while Phyrexian Arena ticks down/the burn opponent is topdecking is not a good feeling).
I cannot praise this card enough in any mono black midrange list. He exiles creatures, he gains life consistently, and he makes every removal spell in our deck a 2 for 1. Traditionally, efficient mono black removal has been weak to graveyard recursion such as Flamewake Phoenix, Bloodghast, Geralf's Messenger, Kitchen Finks, and so forth, since all these cards must be killed more than once, at no additional expense to the opponent. Thoughtseize and Phyrexian Arena is a painful combination, especially in a world of Lightning Bolt and Kolaghan's Command. Kalitas solves all of these issues beautifully, and with any removal spell stalls the board incredibly easily and well.
Okay, have you seen the art? If Drana were real, she'd totally be my Valentine.
Jokes aside, one of the issues I was frequently running into with the deck was the amount of time it took me to close out once I had stabilised. While all of my creature threats (Gray Merchant of Asphodel is basically a Corrupt, he doesn't count) end the game quite quickly, I just wasn't drawing them fast enough - my opponent would get the opportunity to find that Cryptic Command or Sphinx's Revelation, or get those last 2 Boros Charm. There is a delicate balance between disruption and pressure that must be maintained in all decks that are not pure control, and maintaining that balance required me to find another fast game-ending threat.
I considered running the fourth Desecration Demon, but the idea of another big dumb beater was not appealing. I wanted a powerful threat with intrinsic value attached to its kit, that could help deal with the board even when I was not drawing multiple cards a turn, and hopefully one that was either resilient, or dodged some of the common removal in the format (Lightning Bolt, Abrupt Decay, Fatal Push - although I was open to playing four drops, since consistently having revolt to deal with a whole myriad of four drop threats is difficult). While black has plenty of value three drops, none of them offered this game ending power, or were too easily killed - Nightveil Specter and Lifebane Zombie, for instance, offer great card advantage in specific situations, but don't really pack the same punch as something like a Desecration Demon or Pack Rat army.
Finally, I settled on Drana. There are a lot of powerful five drops in black with value built in (Bloodgift Demon, for instance), but Drana does something none of the others do - she kills things, turn after turn, while being able to attack in the air for huge chunks. In a meta with Lingering Souls, Dark Confidant and Young Pyromancer, Drana seemed like an elegant solution, and so far, she has far exceeded my expectations. I do not think I should consider running multiples of her, since she is quite expensive and can be killed for no value the turn she comes into play, but untapping with her can feel a bit like untapping after a Supreme Verdict to an empty board.
No Geralf's Messenger, no Phyrexian Obliterator; only 2 Gray Merchant. I do not believe the all in devotion plan is likely to ever become Modern competitive, for sheer want of interactive capability and card advantage - if you are playing a midrange list in Modern, you need lots of early interaction in the form of hand disruption and removal, a proactive plan to end the game with efficient threats, and ways to pull ahead on cards after both players have been stripped down to limited resources. Gray Merchant is an extremely powerful card, as good as or better than Siege Rhino if it drains for upwards of five; it swings races, it ends games, it doesn't care about board stalls, and for all intents and purposes is basically a Modern legal Tendrils of Corruption (not my quote - blame LSV. Then again, that man also calls Disciple of Phenax Mind Twist, so take these statements with several grains of salt).
But despite his inherent power level, Gray Merchant of Asphodel is a very high variance card, and can sometimes be Highway Robber. Removal in Modern is aplenty, and curving out into enough devotion for Gray Merchant to be good is not a reliable plan. Even when the traditional mono black lists do manage to implement their plan - Geralf's Messenger into Gray Merchant, for instance, after having gotten two or more of their creatures removed, despite being an overall drain for seven to nine, just lacks the power/speed to push through opposing Tarmogoyf, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, Grim Flayer, Death's Shadow - not to mention blue decks with their Cryptic Command and board sweepers and Sphinx's Revelation.
Gray Merchant of Asphodel in my list is therefore a card I'll often be discarding to the various discard outlets in the early game; using either the second copy or Liliana, the Last Hope's minus two to drain the opponent out if necessary later on. His being a zombie means he can be sacrificed to Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet either to simply grow the great vampire, or to be recursed with Liliana, as the situation calls.
I do not think running more than two of the card is likely to be feasible for Modern given the uncertainty of whether Merchant will be Corrupt or Highway Robber, and also given Merchant's relatively high mana cost; while it is possible that one is the correct number (and indeed, often in post board games, I do go down to one or no Merchant) at least in game 1, the proactive plan of discard, kill, kill, flier, smack, Merchant win is a very strong one. Having access to the second copy in case the first gets exiled and therefore cannot be returned with a future Liliana is also quite relevant against decks with Path to Exile and Pyxis of Pandemonium.
Despite Merchant's variance, I believe his power level and his ability to end the game on the spot through cards like Ensnaring Bridge and Witchbane Orb is not to be undervalued. In a deck with Phyrexian Arena and Ob Nixilis Reignited, every life point represents an extra card; while Highway Robber may be terrible, a five mana 2 4 that draws 4 cards on etb and drains the opponent for four is an absolutely phenomenal Magic card.
I would also like to point out the maindeck inclusion of incidental lifegain like Collective Brutality and Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet in conjunction with Gary makes most burn and aggro matchups extremely favourable.
While the creature suite has been carefully picked, and is constantly being chosen and rechosen and tweaked, the engine that enables this deck is Phyrexian Arena. Any interactive deck with reactive spells always runs the risk of its reactive measures not lining up well against the threats being deployed on the other side; Arena churning through the deck presents the critical mass of answers and threats to overwhelm the opponent, ensures land drops are made, and essentially in every regard dots the deck's i's and crosses its t's. With discard outlets like Collective Brutality and Liliana of the Veil to trade potentially dead cards for relevant spells early on, irksome draws with too many high cmc cards can still function smoothly and well.
5 days ago
I understand the enchantment flavor for Chromanticore and that it's decent by itself, but would rather see Ramos, Dragon Engine or something else that functions better (although Ramos can be aggro).
You totally have a theme going and I dig it, just tossing some thoughts out there.
1 week ago
@LeaPlath damn, I got sniped on my own deck lol
Runed Halo is a fine card, but I find that Story Circle is more versatile card in the maindeck (I pretty much always have the mana to activate), and Leyline of Sanctity is usually better in the sideboard.
As for O-ring vs Banishing Light, I don't have any ways to do shenanigans with O-ring, so they're basically the same card. I run a split because of fringe cards like Detention Sphere and Echoing Truth; the difference is irrelevant 99% of the time.
1 week ago
Hey, love to see someone getting into UW control. First off, to get a more competitive build will be a little tight on the budget.
First off, your mana base needs to be better. Some great budget options are Prairie Stream, Glacial Fortress, and Port Town. The reason you should consider these is that they have a chance of coming into play untapped, and while control can generally survive a few tapped lands, having as many as you do now would be deadly. Temple of Enlightenment is one of my favorite tapped lands though. I have personally been very impressed with Field of Ruin over Ghost Quarter. Once you're able to put a good amount of money into it, go for Mystic Gate (only one), Flooded Strand, Hallowed Fountain, and Celestial Colonnade.
I'm a big fan of big flying angel win conditions. Torrential Gearhulk is fantastic, but just make sure you're running enough instants to make it worth it. Nyx-Fleece Ram is definitely a sideboard card, don't run it in your main deck. 4 Wall of Omens is a pretty good defensive option.
Dissolve is my favorite counterspell, but you shouldn't be running it in modern. 4 Mana Leak. 4 Remand, and 3-4 Cryptic Command are the usual counters to run. Disallow is pretty interesting though. You should not be running Condemn, it was some pretty early Death's Shadow sideboard tech, but there are better options. You will definitely need to invest in a playset of Path to Exile, luckily they're at a pretty low price right now. Instead of Jace's Ingenuity, cantrips like Serum Visions, Opt, or Think Twice would be better options.
I would not run Divination or Ugin's Insight. Your board wipes are pretty spicy, but a little slow. Supreme Verdict is the most typical UW board wipe. Wrath of God and Terminus are other great options. Terminus is a personal favorite.
Planeswalkers you should consider running over the ones you currently have are Jace, Architect of Thought because his +1 will protect you quite well while the -2 is a fantastic source of card advantage. Elspeth, Sun's Champion will win you the game if she goes unanswered, pumping out little dudes with a board wipe at the ready. Narset Transcendent shines in instant/sorcery heavy decks. Gideon Jura is another great planeswalker. All of his abilities fall into control very well, saving you from attacks, removing opponent's creatures, and beating face.
Other great cards to consider; Geist of Saint Traft, Vendilion Clique, Entreat the Angels, Secure the Wastes, Faerie Conclave, Sphinx's Revelation, Baneslayer Angel, Dispel, Spell Pierce, Spell Snare, and Jace Beleren
1 week ago
These are all Azorius staples that you are missing, I will be keeping an eye on this deck and adding more suggestions as I get time! I like the idea