Enchanted creature gets +2/+0 and has trample.
When Rancor is put into a graveyard from play, return Rancor to its owner's hand.
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I did not suggest Might of Old Krosa in my last comment as I believe past comments in this deck mentioned it would depart from this deck ultra-low-budget focus, just like the author recommended Rancor and Inkmoth Nexus warning it would totally slash the "10 USD Infect" Tag.
For a non-ultra-low budget (yet reasonably budget for Modern) mono-green Infect, I recommend checking my own list, 10 Neurotoxins (Green Infect), my recommendations would naturally evolve towards said listing. It has proven quite successful at my LGS.
Might of Old Krosa is very useful in mono-green Infect, in spite of it having to be cast before combat for the +4/+4: Yes, you are warning the opponent you are swinging for a lot of damage, but he has no way to know if you are also casting instant pump spells after the declare attackers or blockers phase, or you just want to try to deal 5-6 damage that turn for tempo without going lethal (remember it is very difficult to remove poison counters without a narrow dedicated anti-Infect sideboard, which would prove totally crap against the rest of the meta). So I don't see why the opponent would assume you are going for lethal just by casting a +4/+4 Might and so would decide to respond to it (removal, counters, etc) instead of saving a spell. If I were playing against Infect I would use asap whatever ressource I have in hand, 10 poison counters come really fast and any opponent should be really scared to play against Infect...
Hope I answered your question...
Okay, I'm slowly being sold on Nighthowler . Doomed Necromancer is awesome! He might be an even bigger help in another deck that I'm thinking about. You're right about evasion too, That is something that I lack. I'll look at Rancor and maybe research some others. Thanks for the advice.
(the Varolz-Death Shadow combo is hilarious)
I have a casual golgari auto-mill that's very similar to your, and Nighthowler is useful for it's bestow cost because you're not totally screwed if your opponent plays a mass removal.I also suggest you Doomed Necromancer , Stinkweed Imp Tragic Slip and the varolz+Death's Shadow combo. If death shadow is too expensive for you, you can replace it with Force of Savagery . You should also add some evasion (Rancor , Gift of Orzhova ...) because most of your creatures can be chumpblocked
I would suggest some form of card draw, since you have a very low mana curve your hand will quickly be exhausted. Ezuri, Renegade Leader or Rancor would really help, because huge creatures are really only useful if they can actually deal damage. Also Ezuri, Renegade Leader can protect your Joraga Warcaller , which can then double as a secondary Vines of Vastwood . For card draw I like Soul of the Harvest , or Regal Force , but neither seem to quite fit. Eidolon of Blossoms could possibly work, since you have a few other enchantments, but that would require playtesting to see how reliable it is.
I'm'a give my ideas before reading the other comments, so that they have less outside bias:
First of all, I like your nearly-even mana base, despite the fact that you aren't evenly split on mana costs - I think that is definitely the way to go, especially with access to Green (Cultivate etc.) Speaking of which, I'm not really sure I like Peregrination more than Explosive Vegetation ... really, the Scry 1 only does you any good if you get rid of the top card, and that second land put right into play with Explosive puts you another turn ahead of your non-Green opponents. Meanwhile, Tempt with Discovery is an interesting card... I suppose you like the idea of 2 opponents getting a land apiece and you getting 3 over the Explosive, which gives you 2 and them none. Well, it's certainly conditional, and I don't think I'd be the 4th guy to take a measly one land while you get five - but hey, other people might play it differently.
Doubling Cube is a mana-ramping king - great in a deck with Mana Reflection. If you don't have it in your initial cut, I urge you to find a spot for it eventually.
I'm guessing you're hearing this from others as well, but 4 Planeswalkers? Come on, you gotta know that's a pipe dream! Sadly, I don't have much respect for them in this format, and I think they've really gotta shine in order to survive last minute cuts. Xenagos, the Reveler is very thematic, but you may want to let go of the other three. Garruk, Caller of Beasts has very poor synergy with your X cost creatures.
Speaking of thematic: I am guessing you are intentionally not including Blightsteel Colossus and Darksteel Colossus , as their absence here feels slightly pointed. Granted, the former is pretty harsh, especially with Warstorm Surge in play; but why not run the Darksteel? You have the Colossus of Akros , after all, so I know you aren't averse to the colorless thing. I get that Darksteel is a little vanilla (anyone can run him), but that doesn't mean he doesn't fit right in to a R/G beater deck! With a little ramp and accel, you can get him out by Turn 5 or 6 - at that point, a massive Inde Trampler is really going to control the game. I think he's a better fatty than a few of the green creatures you're running presently, like Vastwood Hydra and Genesis Hydra .
Speaking of the hydras - I just think you're asking for trouble running so many creatures with X in their costs. Remember, you only really wanna play one at a time, and you really don't want to play them early or even mid-game. And I know you're running the Doubling Season , but that's just one card that you can't tutor for, you can't run too many cards that are only mediocre without it. I'd suggest getting rid of the hydras that don't easily double your mana investment in them - again, Vastwood Hydra and Genesis Hydra , as well as Protean Hydra , as nobody will ever damage him on purpose unless they do lethal, which kills him in an un-savable way (making him a 0/0).
I never thought much of Hornet Queen myself - I'd rather just run Squall Line or another board wipe. Or... any board wipe! You don't have any in here! Even if you plan to win with creatures, I don't think you can just count on beating your opponents to the punch every game you play... I don't think there is any deck that loves creatures so much that it can't run wipes... that's just being naive about how much other people love their creatures! All Is Dust , Oblivion Stone , Perilous Vault the aforementioned Squall Line may all be cards to consider. (I know you hate it, but having a Perilous Vault or Ob Stone in play is way more of a deterrent than a Hornet Queen and her tokens, even if those tokens are doubled.)
Balefire Dragon is neat, but if they have creatures to kill, why didn't they just block the dragon? Because they have no flying blockers, I guess... so for this card to shine the defending player needs to have creatures, but only of a certain kind. Sure it rocks Goblin tokes, but I think Steel Hellkite might be a somewhat more versatile removal creature, especially with extra combat phases so you can hit multiple peoples' permanents.
Giant Adephage is cool, but doesn't seem cool enough to make the cut to me. He reproduces himself too slowly to be comparable to one of the Hydras or Dragon Broodmother . Molten Primordial is another card that, while good, I've been cutting from my decks due to its conditionally, and due to the fact that it is a bomb only rarely.
NOW I'm scrolling up to see what the others have said. I too was skeptical about Oracle of Mul Daya , but I think that is partly a personal preference thing, as Thing 2 said. I think I'd rather just have another land tutor in its spot, like (once again) Explosive Veg. But that's just me.
Thing is also right about Reliquary Tower - I'd strongly suggest finding a land cut for it. Green has only mediocre recursion - it's better if your fat draws just stay in your hand. Deserted Temple is also a card I'd put into any deck with Cabal Coffers or Gaea's Cradle . Also, I used to run Rancor in Omnath, but found that Loxodon Warhammer is nearly as persistent but far better once in play, and so now I run that instead.
Overall it looks pretty interesting, classic R/G beats EDH. I love how prominently Trample is featured here, haha.
Definately Try Assault Strobe , it will make your guys pretty nasty. Also, Setessan Oathsworn might be better than your three drops because instead of a +2+2 bonus for the turn, it get's 2 +1/+1 counters that stay forever. Finally, you might want a few more ways to give your guys trample so that their huge power/toughness bonusses don't go to waste. Two options that come to mind are Rancor , because it triggers heroic and can be used again if the creature dies, and Ghor-Clan Rampager , because it not only triggers heroic and gives the creature trample, but gives a huge +4/+4 bonus.
So by and large I agree with the above comments, with just a couple of cards that I think you should cut, some absolute keepers suggested for cuts above that I would hold onto, and a couple of adds that I think are good.
Berserk - This is personal preference but I just don't really care for this card, although I guess you can get in a sneaky 1 shot on someone not defending themselves properly. Its like a less mean version of Tainted Strike . Plus it destroys the creature. Boo. Boo Berserk boo.
To preface the next paragraph, sorry for the Hydra hate - Protean Hydra - Too easily killed before the counters come back, a lot of mana investment for a vanilla creature. Vastwood Hydra is the same story (as already mentioned above), in most cases he won't die randomly on his own since he probably gets chump blocked because of his ability and then dies with everyone else in the board wipe and there is no where to put the counters. I don't like Scourge of Skola Vale either. You need to keep creatures on the board, not cut down on your giant army.
Wilderness Elemental - Yah he's a cheap creature that is gonna probably be a 4-6 most of the time (with trample), but he doesn't make an impact beyond that, and your ramp spells primarily grab basics. The suggestions of Regal Force and Knollspine Dragon would both do a lot more work for you than this guy ever will.
Rancor - Too small, not big enough picture. Either replace it with the hammer as suggested above or drop it like a sack of hammers.
Insurrection - Listen, I defend the crap out of your right to use this card below in my defense of Vorinclex, but it really doesn't have enough flavor to fit with your deck in my opinion.
Tempt with Discovery - Dumb for how expensive it is and how often no one will take you up on it. Unless two people agree its just a more expensive Explosive Vegetation with a drawback. If you are gonna help other people out, Collective Voyage and New Frontiers grab way more cards. Honestly though, you are going to run out of basic lands in your deck pretty fast with all this ramp, but maybe that was by design.
Rapacious One - Meh. There are 2719 creatures that are some combination of red and/or green in the game of Magic. I am pretty sure you can find a better one than this.
Eldrazi Monument - Could turn against you in the wrong situation. I am wary of this card.
Nylea, God of the Hunt - A lot of hydras don't come with trample, which is too bad because they have ungodly amounts of damage potential, especially with lots of mana floating around. Nylea has sticking power in the event of most board wipes, provides much needed trample, has a substantial indestructible body with enough devotion in play, and when you have no other plays you can spend the mana for her ability to increase the power of one of your creatures BEFORE Xenagos, God of Revels pumps them with his ability. This also works really well if you have the mana with Overwhelming Stampede since you can artificially raise the damage base given to all creatures. A must include if I ever saw one.
Oracle of Mul Daya - I just think this card keeps your deck moving better. If you are lucky you can cycle through 2 lands at a time. It may show your top deck but the benefit is still huge.
Spearbreaker Behemoth - Having lots of nasty indestructible creatures, including all 3 gods and this guy, can really allow you some sticking power in the event of a board wipe. If you have mana open, suddenly even more of your creatures survive (most are gonna have the requisite power).
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger - Yah, he is big and mean, but he is a huge and nasty board presence in every major way and if you are going big mana I don't know why you would do it half way. Sheoldred, Whispering One , Rise of the Dark Realms , Blazing Archon , Insurrection , Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Eldrazi et al., are all mean and nasty and can instant win/lock down a game, but they are also all answerable and stealable, and Vorinclex is no exception. Listen, if you don't want to play any of the 5 best cards in any color in your EDH deck, that is fine, but while these cards are degenerate at times, EDH games would go on even longer at times without them, and having one that fits into the strategy of your deck is just fine.
Garruk, Caller of Beasts - With the content of your deck and all the land search, this should pull 2-4 creatures a turn, which is a worthwhile draw spell for 6 CMC on its own. If you need to put something big out that is going to benefit you immediately, like a Worldspine Wurm or Artisan of Kozilek , he can do that and allow you to essentially ramp into a larger creature in a turn, necessitating that he has a blocker to allow him to survive to his second turn so he can do his first ability.
Silklash Spider - You have somewhat surprisingly few ways to deal with flyers. With how much mana and creature search you have, this guy is an easy include that provides an excellent answer to things like Utvara Hellkite .
By the way, I like the Colossus of Akros in this deck a lot. With a lot of mana (pretty easy for this deck) you suddenly have a 40/40 trampler. For. The. Win. Hulk SMASH.
Fun deck. Check out Animar and let me know if you have any cuts, I need to drop a few things and add some board wipe type effects.
|0.5 TIX||0.9 TIX|
|Avg. draft pick||1.39|
|Avg. cube pick||8.02|
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Planechase 2012 Edition||Common|
|Duel Decks: Garruk vs. Liliana||Common|