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Duelist's Heritage Discussion
1 day ago
Zillabrony13: I've been wavering on Sword of Light and Shadow for a while. My main problem with it is that it protects the equipped creature from my own Benevolent Bodyguard, Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder, Mother of Runes, Stonehewer Giant, Duelist's Heritage, Sigarda's Aid, Gift of Immortality, Elspeth, Knight-Errant, and Boros Charm. On the other hand, I sometimes have problems with white decks because none of my Swords protect against it...
I'll pass on Burnished Hart, though: far far far too much mana investment for two tapped lands :(
1 day ago
Ok, all. I am an idiot. I had a realization in play yesterday that should have been obvious, but I had missed it. Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim was meant to be both Rattle Snake and spot removal, but the deck was not built around it, so she never got going. I focused on the spot removal, and when she was removed from the deck, I replaced it with repeatable creature spot removal, thinking that would at least come close to replacing the value of Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim. What I didn't fully grasp was that the weakness of slow speed of the removal, along with the durability of the removal was the problem, and that Assassins would never be able to make up for this. I was sitting on one of the best removal spells that are available in Queen Marchesa's colors, and I recognized this at least enough to put it into a sideboard slot because I just couldn't cut it all the way. I think I should just put the good spot removal back in, and skip all this getting fancy with creatures for removal BS. Since my Rattle Snake and Pillow Fort defense is already very strong, I am not sure why I am worrying about it so much, especially since I keep strengthening it with the most subtle of subtle Pillow Fort cards like Duelist's Heritage, Slayers' Stronghold, and Key to the City.
Right now, I think I just need to consolidate what I think this deck does best, make sure that I bring enough of both the offense and defense that this deck works off of, ensure that I am optimally countering common deck archetypes in ways that are synergistic with the rest of the deck, and not get distracted with complicated additions.
With that said, I have a sideboard that I have constructed of cards that are meant for tuning this more specifically to different metas, and for including cards for combating common archetypes that my meta does not contain. Even if I don't use this as a common sideboard between games, this is my list of cards to adjust for changing metas as I go between them, likely usually between sessions.
Changes that I plan:
Main Deck changes should be to consolidate the theme of the deck, removing weakness in favor of the strengths.
Stronghold Discipline - Rakdos Charm is a huge part of my offense, and wins a ton of games. Stronghold Discipline is essentially another copy. Unconventional offensive plays are what this deck does best. Consolidate around the deck's strengths.
Utter End - One of the best spot removal spells available. Control is one of the things this deck does best, especially surgical removal. Consolidate around the deck's strengths.
Sideboard changes should compensate for different metas and allow me to combat the weaknesses in the deck with respect to commonly played archetypes that are just not that common in my usual meta. I am OK with unfairly destroying decks in metas that are not my usual meta.
Out: Utter End - Into the Main Deck!
In: Rest in Peace - The best at what it does, kills a lot of combo, storm, spellslinger, value engines, reanimator, etc...
So, what does that leave us with?
Ramp and Fixing: Lots of Ramp and Fixing that is tuned and synergistic with the rest of the deck, as well as a curve that allows us to bring out early big plays. Gift of Estates and Tithe double as card draw late game, and our unconventional manabase is highly synergistic with the rest of the deck.
Draw and Tutoring: Enough Draw and Tutoring to make the deck consistent and holding enough answers for every threat or weakness, without being obtrusive or conventional enough to be obvious about it. Three all star players in this list are Shred Memory, Key to the City, and Sea Gate Wreckage. Uncommon tutors and draw with huge impact in this deck without ringing any danger bells for most players. This suite makes my already versatile card list even more versatile.
Defense: A 25 card subtle and somewhat unconventional Pillow Fort and Rattle Snake defense with a low curve, the potential to be used offensively, and which is synergistic with itself as well as my offense. Back this up with a nice Fog suite, making my defensive wall extend into my hand so as to not have all of it sit on the battlefield to be effective, and bringing it's own offense in the right circumstances. Add to this a control package that is complete with a very strong and versatile spot removal suite, some reactive board wipes that have offensive uses, and multiple cards to allow us to protect our board state, including counterspells in Mardu colors!
Offense: The offense is structured to take advantage of typical board states and the strengths of my opponents with cards that have outsized effect for their costs. It is designed to be huge Aikido bombs against any Big Mana, Big Creature, Big Army, Big Hand, or Big Attack deck. It is structured in pairs of cards for each of these, including Acidic Soil/Price of Progress, Backlash/Delirium, Rakdos Charm/Stronghold Discipline, Sudden Impact/Toil / Trouble, Deflecting Palm/Comeuppance, with Arcbond, Batwing Brume, and Eye for an Eye all reinforcing this array of counterattacks. This reactive offense is backed up with a couple of big bomb offensive attacks in the form of Master of Cruelties and Hatred, a couple of midrange beaters in the form of Serra Ascendant, Gisela, the Broken Blade, and Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs, and an army of smaller defensive and utility creatures. Bring in combat tricks and enablers like Duelist's Heritage, Slayers' Stronghold, Key to the City, and Rogue's Passage to act as later game silver bullets, and the offense is quite versatile.
Sideboard: Packed with Combo hate, a counterspell suite of my own for Counterspell and Blue Control hate, Graveyard Antics hate, and extra offense in the form of Dark Depths as an uncounterable big beater and Exsanguinate for big burn.
In all, I think I am pretty satisfied with where the deck now sits, and will likely consider this list to basically be the core deck. Testing will confirm, I think I have chased down all the areas that needed shored up, and I feel like this is, at the moment, a completed list.
4 days ago
Battle Mastery - Like all Auras, it gets put into the graveyard when the enchanted creature dies, and this deck is low on enchantment recursion. Doesn't play well with an active Eight-and-a-Half-Tails or Sword of Light and Shadow.
Duelist's Heritage - Completely useless defensively. Can't tutor or recur it very well. Doesn't draw off of Sram.
Regardless, I don't want to have too many sources of double strike, as they don't stack and the extras would get stuck in the hand. The two I have is fine for now.
No interest in Helm of Obedience.
This isn't a combo deck. Adding combo wins would undermine the entire Voltron strategy.
5 days ago
Thanks for taking a look Daedalus19876 I'll be making a few changes based on your suggestions, first is Mother of Runes is now in the deck, originally I misunderstood what she did but she has now earned a spot.
Also Scroll Rack I didn't really know how to use it properly (I'd always put something on top that I wanted and accidentally tutored and shuffled it away and other various misplays) but after reading through your primer it's an auto-include for the scroll rack + land tax combo.
Most mana doublers I've tried but found they slowed me down in the past, this deck has evolved so much however so maybe Caged Sun might help. Extraplanar Lens in my meta isn't run because it's a huge target (mainly for personal reasons, I'll just say when any of my friends play it I destroyed it so they'd also be down a land and now they seek revenge.) Had to cut it from my colorless wastes deck for that reason lol.
As for the lands I've just been testing I change between 34 to 37 lands all the time since the land base is one of my biggest weakness when deck building.
I cut Haunted Cloak and am thinking about cutting Helm of Kaldra. I only keep the helm for the off chance I have the other two pieces (or Stonehewer Giant since I'll search for both those pieces anyway) and will tutor it for an indestructible 9/9 that can't be Gilded Drake'd or Toxic Deluge'd but on it's own it's kind of a dead card. What do you think?
Duelist's Heritage and Silverblade Paladin would love a spot, I'm just bad at making cuts. I can think of one card I could cut but I don't know which to add both Silverblade Paladin can beat down on his own but if I don't have another creature he's a 2/2 and is more susceptible to removal but can be recurred with both Emeria, The Sky Ruin AND Sun Titan. Duelist's Heritage seems like the stronger of the two can be tutored with Enlightened Tutor and if I understand it correctly I can give an opponents creature double strike if they hit an opponent?? Only down side I can think of is Sword of War and Peace and Etched Champion.
Again thank you for the kind words and suggestions, I previously skimmed through your primer when building this but finally fully read it ;)
5 days ago
cracks knuckles This should be fun! :)
One of the first EDH decks I ever played against was a Kemba voltron deck, and my pet deck has been my Judgment Day: Avacyn the Purifier EDH | *PRIMER* voltron list (which also might give you some ideas). There's a beauty in simplicity inherent in Voltron strategies. With some experience with Voltron, here are my thoughts on your list:
1) Generally speaking, it does work better to whack people with your commander, just to take advantage of that handy commander damage rule. But I understand that your non-reliance on your commander is the unique thing about this deck, so I won't suggest swapping commanders. That being said, I would test a few games with Sram at the helm, because he's one heck of a drug in this kind of deck ;)
2) Your creature base looks fine. The only major omission I see is the lack of Mother of Runes here. Ranger of Eos and Recruiter of the Guard can also be great tutors. And Silverblade Paladin is great for getting in faster damage and giving doubled Swords triggers...
6) With an average CMC of 3.4, I personally would not dare play as low as 34 lands (Maze of Ith doesn't count because it does not produce mana).
7) I would take a look through your equipment and cut the lower-impact ones. In any deck planning to win via combat damage, every single card needs to have a major impact when it hits the board. I've never found Deathrender or Haunted Cloak to do enough to justify their inclusion in my decks.
8) Double strike is your best friend in aggressive decks. I am currently loving Duelist's Heritage (though many of the best options are in boros colors alas).
9) Your primer seems like a good start! :)
6 days ago
I'm going to assume being a voltron deck that double strike is really nice to have. While you already have Fireshrieker and Silverblade Paladin, would Battle Mastery and even Duelist's Heritage be of any interest even if just for redundancy's sake (even if not equipments)?
1 week ago
I have a few more suggestions you may be interested in. I'll try to point out cards to swap for them where I can.
Duelist's Heritage is a fantastic card. Not only does it give double strike to an attacking creature on your turn, you can also give it to opponents attacking creatures on their turn, to incentivize them attacking other opponents, or simply maximize their damage when they do. Because it is a global enchantment, as opposed to an aura, it isn't destroyed when your creature is, and you can change who it benefits each turn. Possibly use it to replace Battle Mastery
Steel of the Godhead is just a fantastic enchantment to throw onto your commander. +2/+2, lifelink, and unblockable.
Austere Command could be fantastic removal for your deck, especially considering that your commander falls below the 3cmc division line.
Some cards I'd suggest removing:
Door of Destinies. You are heavily divided among your creature types, so it won't give you that much benefit. Furthermore, it doesn't benefit your commander whatsoever. Also, bear in mind that it only activates on cast triggers, so his angel tokens do it no good.
Coat of Arms. Like above, it's a big card for a small buff. It would likely never confir more than a +3 bonus, and if it did, then your field would already be so populated as to not need it. And worse still, your opponents could greatly benefit from it. If you happen to encounter a human, elf, or goblin deck, (all 3 having very prominent commanders atm), then this card will surely do you in.
1 week ago
Exactly. I find these cards that allow me to assist in other people's attacks to be very political. Duelist's Heritage is an all star, and very much behaves as a Pillow Fort card and an offensive card all at once. Slayers' Stronghold will likely be nowhere near as powerful, but it could be a similar effect. I would put Rogue's Passage into the same category, if used correctly.
I have a stack of cards in my deckbox with Painful Truths, Read the Bones, Sign in Blood, Night's Whisper, and Browbeat for play testing. I already run Toil / Trouble. I will be curious to see if they do what I want. As it stands, consistency is not really an issue, the deck runs very consistently. I just need the ability to get out from under the squeeze of a Solitary Confinement that I don't want to let go. I already put in the draw spell with the greatest draw potential, which is Damnable Pact, and it also has the added bonus of potential for a burn to the face if I need to use it that way. Sign in Blood is a micro version of this. I will try out Painful Truths next. If I had the room in the deck, I would run all of them, since I get the feeling that together they would be much more powerful than each is alone, and I would consider the red cantrips as well, including Browbeat for the blast to the face potential. As it stands, I am not sure what I would want to replace to fit them all into the deck. If I went that way, I would also consider Spellshock and Price of Progress maindeck, as well as Spiteful Visions, for the added synergy of using them on my opponents as pseudo burn. If I went that way, I would be veering hard into a Punisher archetype and would potentially upset my lay low strategy. Not sure I want to go that way.