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Fellwar Stone Discussion
4 days ago
The next step is to make sure your mana ramp is in order. It is really important to have at least 10 ways to ramp, and with Atraxa, you might even want to add one or two more in the future. For now, you should stick to 10 so you can test the deck’s other components.
Something I noticed is that you had Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse counting as mana ramp cards. These should never be thought of as ramp. Mana ramping is taking any action that puts you ahead of the amount of mana you could have available if you only dropped lands. Evolving wilds counts as your land drop, and while it fixes your mana by going to get any color you need, it does not put you ahead on your amount of available mana. In fact, it puts you behind because it comes in tapped. Fixing is great and important in a four color deck, but the more lands you have coming in tapped, the more you’ll set yourself behind. You can still run a good amount of taplands, but having a good ramp package can help soften the blow. Once you get good duals, the ramp starts to work even better.
It is always of utmost importance that your ramp is both cheap and long-lasting. The biggest downside to not playing green is not being able to ramp mana as effectively. This is because the other colors have to resort to mana rocks and mana dorks, artifacts and creatures that tap for mana. Using ramp like this can be fast and effective, but you are always vulnerable to board wipes and removal. One Vandalblast will ruin anyone's day if all their ramp is artifact based. Luckily, you are playing green, so you should never have to worry about rocks getting blown up. All of your ramp should be land focused, unless you have a really good reason for using something more synergistic. It is kind of a widespread unspoken courtesy that people do not actively use mass land destruction in EDH. Sure, there are those that do, but WAY more people come ready to blow up all artifacts/creature/enchantments when they need to. This makes throwing extra lands out a safe way to ensure you get ahead on mana and STAY ahead on mana.
Let's go down all your ramp one by one and see what better options you have:
1) Cultivate is exactly the kind of spell you want to be ramping with. It finds two of your colors, puts you ahead on mana, and guarantees you'll make your next land drop. You would be hard pressed to find a multicolor EDH deck with green that doesn't want this card.
2) Darksteel Ingot looks good on paper, but 3 mana is a lot to pay for a rock, even if it gives you all your colors and is indestructible. The Ingot may have indestructible, but stuff like Merciless Eviction or Play of the Game don't care anyway.
REPLACEMENT: There are, however, reasons to want 3 CMC ramp cards. For instance, Cultivate is so good, it didn't need a replacement. It is SO good, that you actually should use it's twin Kodama's Reach to replace the Ingot. It may seem like the flexibility of Ingot adding any of your four colors is worth it, but something like Kodama's reach, when working with a good mana base, can actually be more effective, because it can give you two of the colors you need simultaneously, instead of giving you access to one at a time. That's on top of being land based rather than artifact based.
3) Fellwar Stone is where we start to make exceptions for rocks based on power. In a 4 player game, Fellwar almost always taps for any color you need. The power of a rock skyrockets when it costs less than 3, can tap for multiple colors, and can be used right away. This one is a great call, and its benefit in the early game will outweigh it's vulnerability to mass artifact destruction.
4) Golgari Signet is a great rock, but not being able to tap right away and only getting two of your colors makes it not work as great as land based ramp. Keeping most of your ramp to 2 CMC will help you cast 4 drops (Like your commander) on turn 3. It also means you could be more likely to cast two ramp spells on the same turn and start flying ahead. It also means you could ramp and still have room to cast other spells. That kind of advantage doesn't seem like much, but it makes turns worth of difference.
REPLACEMENT: To keep this slot to 2 CMC, the best option would be Farseek. It can grab any Plains, Island, or Swamp and put it into play tapped. This will become super important once you acquire dual lands that have basic land types because it can go get a Plains/Forest or an Island/Swamp, giving you access to two more colors instead of just fetching a basic land.
5) Khalni Gem is just straight up bad unless you have a reason to bounce lands to your hand. 4 mana and returning two lands is way too steep a price. It doesn't even put you ahead on the turn you play it. On top of that, it can only add one color at a time.
REPLACEMENT: Rampant Growth is a shoe-in here. 2 mana, gets any color you need. It only gets basics, but that is fine as long as your mana base is built right and you know your deck well.
REPLACEMENT: So this is a case where you can make a replacement that ignores the downfalls of the original card by being super synergistic with your deck. Might I introduce you to Astral Cornucopia! It will most of the time cost 3 mana just like Manalith, and tap for any color just like Manalith, but every time you proliferate, it will tap for more mana. This can get WAY out of hand with all the proliferating your deck is trying to do. You may find it becomes too hot of a target for removal, but the benefit here is super unique to your deck and is worth running until your playgroup starts to hate it out of existence.
REPLACEMENT: Another easy 2 CMC option to slot in here is one of the best ramp spells you can have, Sakura-Tribe Elder A.K.A. STEVE! It is basically Rampant Growth on a creature. This makes it crazy good because you can play it and have it out as a blocker, sacrifice it after it blocks, and go get your land. You can sac it on the end step before your next turn after playing it and basically see the same benefit as a Rampant Growth, but with the added benefit of having had a creature out that whole time. Hell, if you don't need the land and would rather have a blocker, keep him out longer and sac him in response to anything that would kill him or exile him. On top of that, it could be something you give infect to in a pinch. Master Biomancer could even make him huge when he enters. Any powerful effect that can be stuck on a creature adds so many benefits, you'd be hard pressed not to want it.
8) Sol Ring is always amazing. Nuff Said.
9) Temple of the False God is pretty awful in a four color deck. It can make your opening hands terrible, and shouldn't even really count as a land in most cases. If you're not counting it as a land, then it should fall into the ramp category, but in this case it ramps you one mana ahead, but gives you no colors, and replaces your land drop. On top of that, it wont work until turn 5 at the earliest. This is will be a feel-bad card a lot of the time.
REPLACEMENT: Harrow is ridiculous good. It costs 3 mana, but leaves you with 2 more mana to use after it resolves, effectively making it cost 1. Sacrificing a land is a small price to pay to go get two lands and have them come in untapped. It can fix your colors, put you ahead, and allow you to cast more spells that turn. Basically all the good gravy.
10) In order to make the 10th ramp slot, another cut will have to be made. As cool a Plague Myr is in the deck, I think it is best to consider that most of the time it will just be a 2 mana 1/1 with infect, because you'll want to spread those poison counters. When you do need it to be a mana dork, it might not even give you the colors you need. This kind of low impact is not enough to justify crippling your ability to ramp effectively, so for now it should go to your maybeboard. I would continue to keep it in mind in mind for the future if you feel another 2 cmc infect creature might as well become something that taps for mana occasionally. For instance, this could come back in to replace black mamba in the future if playtesting deems it viable.
REPLACEMENT: There a few really great options left. Chromatic Lantern is going way down in price due to the upcoming reprint, so I would definitely have that at the top of the list for this slot. For now however, you can stick to a land based ramp spell that I can mail to you. Nature's Lore is fantastic because it costs 2, searches for a Forest rather than a basic land, and puts the Forest in untapped. This means it can go get dual lands with forest as one of their two types, or even something crazy good for your deck: Murmuring Bosk. Nature's Lore should take priority over rampant growth once you have enough good duals, but for now, Lantern and Rampant work better together.
If you get Lantern, don't use nature's lore until you have enough duals to make it worth replacing rampant growth with it. If you don't get Lantern, Use both Nature's lore and Rampant Growth.
These changes should make your mana much smoother and more effective in the long-term, as well as allow you to cast most anything when you need to. Continue to think about whether you should add 1 or 2 more after you've play-tested a bit.
1 week ago
Hey, you asked for my help. This is a well built budget Commander deck. Only $137 for a complete playable Commander deck is nice, good job.
Chromatic Lantern is down more than 60% in price (less than $5 now) since it's been revealed to be reprinted in Guilds of Ravnica. Lantern is now a budget Commander card, as it should be :) The prices haven't updated yet for this site, but if you add (GRN) to the end of Lantern in the text editor it will show up as the GRN version with the updated low price.
Your decklist is already really well done/streamlined, it's going to be difficult to make cuts without adding some additional price... Here's a list of cards to consider adding/cutting:
Exsanguinate: does X damage to each player and you gain just as much life. This single spell can kill everyone at the table. It could replace Death Grasp because Grasp only does X damage to one player.
Exotic Orchard: good land for multiplayer Commander.
Tainted Field: can ETB untapped and if you control a Swamp it can be tapped to make black or white mana. If you don't have a Swamp you can still tap it to make colorless mana. It could replace either Orzhov Guildgate or Scoured Barrens?
If these lands upgrades are too much then I think you're better off playing more basic lands then the three Guildgates, Barrens, River and Boneyard. More basic lands at least work better with the Bounce lands (Azorius Chancery, etc.).
Good luck with your deck.
1 week ago
About your ramp: Farseek, Rampant Growth and Fellwar Stone are better than Obelisk of Bant and Obelisk of Esper, because they enable a turn 3 Atraxa if you drop them at turn 2. I would recommend cutting these cards to put the lands I suggested before: Festercreep, Bitter Ordeal, Retribution of the Ancients, Grim Affliction, Pistus Strike. You may consider Swords to Plowshares, Utter End. You can also check my Atraxa decklist. I organize it by role (draw, ramp, removal, win condition, etc) so I can figure out what I have and what I need. Have fun!
1 week ago
I'd recommend cutting some of the creatures if the plan is to go Voltron.
Some suggestions as follows:
Since Bruna cost 6 CMC to cast, we want to be able to cast her as early as possible and if able, have some backup protection (e.g. Counterspells) so that she survives to the next turn to swing in for massive Commander damage.
Azorius means we can only rely on Artifacts to ramp. I'd recommend some of the following, depending on your budget:
I'd run at least 10 mana rocks, or more if your deck permits, to ensure we can drop Bruna out asap.
There's also an entire suite of "Transmute" cards in blue that you have access to, depending on which are the key cards you need and if there's a matching CMC transmute card.
I'd recommend playing more "wheel effects" and aggressively draw and dump auras into your hand/graveyard early game, setting up the stage for Bruna to put them on once she comes online.
Cyclonic Rift is the blue staple.
But sometimes, offense is the best defense. I'd come back with more suggestions as and when I can dream them up!
1 week ago
In terms of card draw spells in decks that aren't meant to play control, I run these usual suspects: Ponder, Preordain, Serum Visions, Opt, Sleight of Hand, Impulse, Anticipate, Treasure Cruise, Dig Through Time, & Deep Analysis. That's 10 cards, or 10% of your deck. The chances of having any in your hand at any one time is pretty good, especially when you accompany those with the Curiosity you already play, your deck really starts to flow. I can't stress to you how important cantrips are; they are basically free cards - especially the 1-mana ones. If you play 10 1-mana cantrips, your deck is effectively 90 cards, which helps you get to the things you want to do quicker.
I understand your want to be able to cast cards off of Daxos' ability, but running more lands doesn't inherently insure that, since you're only able to play one per turn (in most cases). I think what you want are more mana rocks, since you can play multiple per turn and they usually net you extra mana, any coloured mana, card draw, or any combination of the 3. Easy cheap options are Thran Dynamo, Commander's Sphere, and Fellwar Stone.
Lastly, a personal preference of mine is to make sure that the types of spells I'm playing (card draw, counters, ramp, game enders, etc) are being played in meaningful numbers. For card draw in a deck that isn't synergistic with card draw (think your deck vs The Locust God), it's 8-12. For counters in the same scenario (your deck vs Talrand, Sky Summoner), it's 7-10. These numbers, in my experience, ensure that you are getting card draw spells when you need them, and holding at least one counterspell in the first few turns. Obviously statistics isn't the same as chance, but having cards that are more-or-less the same reduces the effective chance that you draw something you don't need. I mention this because if you decide you want to keep any amount of counterspells in your deck, you don't need to cut any that you currently run, considering you're at (what I would consider) bare minimum for relevancy.
Of course, we all play magic differently, but I hope you at least keep these things in mind when you are playing next. Good luck, +1 because I think the deck still looks super sweet.
1 week ago
This deck is nearly perfect, but there's just a few areas of weakness that demand immediate attention.
First off, I would remove the following cards: Abrupt Decay, Angel's Grace, Anguished Unmaking, Animate Dead, Arcane Denial, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, Badlands, Bayou, Birds of Paradise, Blood Crypt, Bloodstained Mire, Brainstorm, Breeding Pool, Chromatic Lantern, Chrome Mox, City of Brass, Command Tower, Cultivate, Cyclonic Rift, Dance of the Dead, Deathrite Shaman, Decree of Pain, Delay, Demonic Tutor, Enter the Infinite, Exploration, Farseek, Fellwar Stone, Fist of Suns, Flooded Strand, Godless Shrine, Hallowed Fountain, In Garruk's Wake, Intuition, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Jodah, Archmage Eternal, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Laboratory Maniac, Lotus Cobra, Maelstrom Wanderer, Mana Confluence, Mana Crypt, Marsh Flats, Merciless Eviction, Misty Rainforest, Mox Diamond, Myojin of Night's Reach, Myojin of Seeing Winds, Mystic Remora, Mystical Tutor, Nature's Claim, Nature's Lore, Negate, Omniscience, Oracle of Mul Daya, Overgrown Tomb, Painful Truths, Polluted Delta, Praetor's Counsel, Progenitus, Rhystic Study, Rise of the Dark Realms, Savannah, Scalding Tarn, Scrubland, Sensei's Divining Top, Show and Tell, Skyshroud Claim, Sol Ring, Steam Vents, Stomping Ground, Storm Herd, Survival of the Fittest, Swan Song, Swords to Plowshares, Sylvan Library, Taiga, Tainted Pact, Temple Garden, Terastodon, Three Visits, Time Stretch, Toxic Deluge, Tropical Island, Tundra, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, Underground Sea, Vampiric Tutor, Verdant Catacombs, Volcanic Island, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Watery Grave, Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills, and Zacama, Primal Calamity.
There's really nothing you could replace these cards with that would make this deck competitive, so I'd recommend just stopping here. Good work.
1 week ago
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1 week ago
Night's Whisper $1.58 is too much, Sign in Blood is $0.18 (and can target opponents), Read the Bones is $0.16 but I don't like the CMC3. Night's Whisper/Sign in Blood definitely the best. Brainstorm $0.70 is even better imo. Ponder is $2.30 so not a great option. Brainstorm/Sign in Blood best for budget. Altar's Reap don't like it either. Costly Plunder also not quite right.
Telling Time also not bad in budget $0.23 lets you scry one to bottom and replaces itself.
Dimir Signet $1.80 is so much. Talisman of Dominance $1.29 is better because it's CMC2. Also, Talisman of Indulgence $0.72. Fellwar Stone $1.25 but less predictable. I think the Signets are great, but $1.80 is tough.
Baleful Strix is $2.95 but pretty amazing, if you free up enough cash for him.
Displacement Wave slows you down too much I feel, it can give you a Thraximundar alone. You control it with , but it's not going to work in 1 hour format, outside of the 1 hour feel it's pretty weak anyway.
Shrieking Affliction is going to guarantee that 3x players are attacking you, and it's too slow to win you the game.
Can up you mana ramp with stuff like Mycosynth Wellspring $0.15,
Murder always a nice multi-purpose removal in this format.
Far // Away $0.24 can also be handy.
You're mana source distribution is quite good 24% / 24% / 37% .
Desecration Demon might be fun, he's only CMC4.
I think your fairly balanced too, maybe a little too heavy on Sorcery, sub 1 for an instant or another creature or artifact.
I wouldn't go counterspell (maybeboard has so many), won't work in this format effectively.