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Fellwar Stone Discussion
23 hours ago
I haven't looked over the entire list but here are a few suggestions at first glance:
1) Ramp Spells --- Let's be real, Gishath, Sun's Avatar is a game-winner, so you want to get it out ASAP. You're going to want to ramp up to 8 mana before your opponents can get too many blockers on the board. Thunderherd Migration and Farseek are already in there, and both are definitely solid, but I'd honestly put in way more than two ramp spells. Consider Rampant Growth, Exploration, Heartbeat of Spring, et cetera. You want to be getting more than 1 land onto the field per turn if you can, and you want those lands to be producing more than 1 mana whenever possible. For this reason I have honestly no idea why you aren't running Wayward Swordtooth and Commune with Dinosaurs. Both of those cards would be incredible in this deck.
2) Mana Rocks --- With the number of ramp spells available in your colors you really don't have much use for artifacts that produce mana. While I agree that Chromatic Lantern is good for mana fixing, you don't really need it when you can very easily get all three colors online extremely quickly using cards like Farseek. I would immediately ditch Pillar of Origins, Fellwar Stone, and Worn Powerstone, but I would strongly recommend getting rid of all mana artifacts in the deck in favor of ramp spells. Remember, you just need to get to 8 mana for Ghalta. You'd be surprised how quickly you can do that when you're playing green.
3) Mana Dorks --- Drover of the Mighty is an auto-include for obvious reasons, so I'm glad to see it in this list. I also like Kinjalli's Caller more than most people do, so I'm glad to see that as well. I also know that you are trying to limit the number of non-dinosaur creatures in your deck. For that reason, I'd recommend just a few more non-dino dorks such as Otepec Huntmaster, Birds of Paradise, and Voyaging Satyr. Remember, if any of your lands is producing more than 1 mana through land enchantments such as Utopia Sprawl, you can have Voyaging Satyr untap it for incredible amounts of value.
4) Utility Spells --- One of the best pieces of advice anyone has ever given me in terms of deck building is to avoid any and all cards that don't directly contribute toward getting your win condition online. For this reason, I would ditch the majority of your utility spells. This includes instants, sorceries, enchantments, and even planeswalkers.
Cards that trade 1:1 with an opponent such as Disenchant work in 1v1 matches, but this is EDH. I'd take out anything that destroys a target enchantment or artifact in favor of mass artifact removal such as Serenity or Fracturing Gust. Just remember not to wipe your own creatures off the board with creature wipes. I would recommend throwing in a very small number of targeted removal like Path to Exile and Naturalize just to take out a key threat on an opponent's board, but your main creature removal should come from combat or the "fight" mechanic.
Speaking of, take out Hunt the Weak entirely. Prey Upon does the same thing (kills a creature and triggers enrage), but it costs 3 less. Pounce Might even make sense since it has instant speed, making it effectively a removal spell that triggers enrage. Just be careful not to kill your own creatures - damage dealt in "fight" doesn't wear off before combat.
5) Land --- With your lands you really want to be both ramping and fixing. For this reason, the guildgate cycle is way too slow, as is Stone Quarry. EDH gives you access to some pretty ridiculous lands, so I'd spend a lot of time looking at those. Personally I'd strongly recommend the Ravnica bouncelands if you have a way to play multiple lands in a turn, or otherwise shocklands. I wouldn't recommend fetchlands (unpopular opinion) because this deck doesn't need to worry too much about mana fixing (you get it all from your creatures and, ideally, the rest of your land base), but for that exact reason I might go with a painland or two. After all, at a certain point you may not need the colored mana, so it's usually worth it just to have a couple. You're running tricolor, though, so ultimately you'll want a lot of basics. Aim for about 35 lands total, since you should have ways to search for lands so you don't need the full 40.
6) Anthems --- I wouldn't worry too much about Anthem effects or Lords. You really want to be flooding the board with creatures, not buffing the ones you already have (though that's always nice as an aside). Cards like Strength of the Pack are usually just too slow and don't do very much for you.
That's all I could pick out at a glance. Hope this helps!
1 day ago
I agree with ToddW in that you need some constant card draw like that provided by Underworld Connections and, my favourite, Phyrexian Arena; and mana sources like Fellwar Stone and Chromatic Lantern can't hurt either.
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2 days ago
Also, in order to keep most tables at bay, you might want creatures that make it harder for people to execute their gameplans: Ethersworn Canonist, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Aven Mindcensor, etc. You can find slots for these cards by cutting some lands and some of the relatively do-nothing cards like Eager Construct. Please don't help your opponents.
You're going to want more artifact ramp in these colors: all the signets in these colors, Fellwar Stone, Prismatic Lens, Chrome Mox, and, if you can afford them, Mana Crypt, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Grim Monolith. They will speed up your deck considerably while also allowing you to run slightly fewer lands.
4 days ago
Welcome to the format! The first thing I would do is add some ramp to your deck, so that you can cast more than one spell per turn; especially during the early stages of a game. Some cheap options are Rampant Growth, Farseek, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Commander's Sphere, Darksteel Ingot and Fellwar Stone. I would also add Cryptolith Rite and Sol Ring, though these cards are slightly more expensive than the average card you're using.
Hissp on Godo Combo
4 days ago
sonnet666 Thanks for looking at the deck and providing feedback!! I updated the description to explain the mana used to assemble the infinite combo. Responses to the rest of your feedback are as follows:
Nim Deathmantle gives intimidate. It's unlikely that all 3 opponents will have an artifact/black creature with which to block, so 14 damage (and thus 14 mana) can be fairly safely assumed on the combo turn barring creature/artifact removal or stax disruption.
Nim Deathmantles color-changing and type-changing effects override the equipped creatures previous colors and creature types. After Nim Deathmantle becomes equipped to a creature, that creature will be a black Zombie, not any other colors or creature types. Skirk Prospector cannot sac non-goblin zombies. Thermopod is too difficult to tutor with Heirloom Blade.
Argentum Armor comes down AND attaches itself to Godo for FREE. It can destroy 2 permanents per turn, which is a great plan B if stax pieces are hosing the Kiki combo, especially for extra turn wins. Please give additional feedback on why this shouldn't be included.
Dowsing Dagger 's primary purpose is to provide mana to cast Last Chance if we've tapped out to equip Blade of Selves. Sometimes we won't have the 2 mountains needed for Sword of Feast and Famine. Aggravated Assault does provide great synergy, but it's also very obviously threatening, hard to cast before Godo if we're running rituals, and hard to activate without Dowsing Dagger before turn 5. Dowsing Dagger can also be attached to smaller creatures to provide ramp. This deck needs 6 or 8 mana or more at once, not 4 mana in both main phases.
I'm open to swapping out Pyrokinesis, but it hits all the stax creatures we need for 0 mana, and surprises LabMan combos with a loss when we're tapped out. "Do you ever see it in cEDH" isn't the best argument for tuning a mono-red deck that's actively burning cards for gas.
Possibility Storm is in the Ruric Thar, the Unbowed deck on your list. While I understand it synergizes with Thar's ability, it doesn't affect our game plan in the slightest and creates a mess for most other decks. Do you think it's not powerful enough to warrant playing? I'm open to swapping it out, but it seems as debilitating as landing Blood Moon.
Winds of Change and Widespread Panic are in the deck to shuffle equipment back into our library where we want it. The deck goes off a turn or two slower if it ends up drawing Nim Deathmantle or any of the other combo piece of equipment we need. Winds of Change is in the Purphoros, God of the Forge deck on your list, which is the highest tier a mono-red deck is listed in. Widespread Panic is a flex spot, so I'd be open to cutting it if it underperforms, but it hoses top-deck tutors and generally punishes fetch-lands and tutoring in general. By the time we're tutoring with Godo we shouldn't need cards in hand.
Aven Mindcensor makes our deck useless. Abrade kills that. It kills opponents' creatures about to win them the game. It's in a lot of top tier decks. It fires at instant speed. It seems like the best artifact removal we can run.
Mogg Salvage is a flex spot. It's is in the deck because it can remove a stax piece for free on the combo turn (when we need gas) and occasionally ruin someone else's combo when we're tapped out. I could be swapped out.
Thorn of Amethyst could be cut. It's main purpose is to fight Counterspells and to slow people down.
I'll have to test rituals vs. rocks. Right now I'm embracing this list as a glass-canon, similar to Sidisi, Undead Vizier. Aggressive mulligans often lead casting Godo, Possibility Storm, Blood Moon, or Magus of the Moon by turn 2. Basalt Monolith, Worn Powerstone, and Voltaic Key are at the top of my list for rocks to add because they net the most mana for least cmc. Fellwar Stone and Everflowing Chalice are already in the deck.
I've run Panharmonicon and Strionic Resonator in earlier iterations of the deck. Panharmonicon is hard to combo with casting Godo quickly, it usually takes an extra turn at best, at which point why bother? Strionic Resonator effectively makes Godo cost 2 extra mana to cast to provide any value.
Magus of the Moon has been in the deck since inception, you must have missed it.
5 days ago
+1 for going Charm Tribal.
You are not running near enough lands to run Burgeoning. Dropping a Darksteel Ingot and Fellwar Stone for 2 Forests would help your chances immensely. Otherwise, this looks really fun. I have an IRL Ramos, Maze's End deck. This gives me inspiration to change that to spellslinger.
6 days ago
Hey, I've never piloted a Kaalia deck, I have only played against her and from my experience, she gets the attention on the table most of the times and for good reason. People really know Kaalia. So I think that playing her has some key elements that could be improved.
Get her out fast fast fast.
In order to do that I'd replace these with basics and boost your speed since you're playing all those fetchlands.
- Akoum Refuge: ETB tapped, no good here.
- Vivid Meadow, Forgotten Cave, Boros Garrison, Orzhov Basilica, Rakdos Carnarium: See above.
- Molten Slagheap: Too slow.
- Transguild Promenade: Just plain awful. Don't let this one fool you with it's "mana of any color", it's still awful.
- Opal Palace: You don't need the color fixing and the bonus counter won't do much difference as Kaalia's blows are not what you're aiming here.
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth needs it's best friend Cabal Coffers, otherwise a fetchable basic swamp will do fine. Or maybe a dual one like Canyon Slough or Smoldering Marsh, which sometimes enter untappped.
Land Tax when you replace all the above for basics.
- Talisman of Indulgence or Fellwar Stone, mana rocks for
Kaalia has been around long time so people know how dangerous she can be.
- Darksteel Plate could be useful, specially against wraths but it doesn't do much against bouncing or exiling, which is why Whispersilk Cloak could be a better alternative, and can help you avoid combat damage as well.
- Mother of Runes will give her protection in response to whatever spot removal targetting her.
- Grand Abolisher helps you avoid getting Kaalia countered.
If Kaalia has died several times, what now.
As you probably know, she will get focused and sometimes you just can't protect her enough. You need alternatives when this happens.
- Karmic Guide can reanimate anything and it's an angel. Works well with Reya Dawnbringer.
- Sneak Attack is expensive but great, consider it. If not, Quicksilver Amulet is good too.
- Phyrexian Reclamation works awesome with the card above.
- Chancellor of the Annex could be given a try to slow down your opponents while you cast your big creatures. Also, if it's on your initial hand, bye-bye turn 1 Sol Rings.
Other things I noticed
- You lack card drawing. It's essential to have angels / demons / dragons on your hand on each of your attack phases. Phyrexian Arena and Necropotence. Watch out for Emrakuls on your meta with the latter. Some wheels could prove useful refilling your hand, though Wheel of Fortune is expensive, Winds of Change, Magus of the Wheel, Wheel of Fate and Dragon Mage are good alternatives.
- On the same issue as above, Sire Of Insanity and Malfegor aren't helping you with that.
- You have access to the best colors for removal. Ditch Soul Snare and Angelic Edict for the more versatile ones Vindicate, Anguished Unmaking or Utter End. Even Chaos Warp is a better alternative than the two I mentioned. Instant speed removal is crucial.
- Same as above with sweepers. Wrath of God, Day of Judgment, Damnation are much better than Armageddon, because as it let's you a great advantage and all it also puts a huge target on your head, because you basically stop them from having fun at all. And in my experience, people tend to remember those who broke their lands, it's just the way it is. You don't need more hate, Kaalia will draw enough herself. On the borderline of this are Cataclysm and Rakdos the Defiler. The other Rakdos, Rakdos, Lord of Riots is a way better alternative. Imagine swinging with Kaalia, on her trigger putting RTR Rakdos, then on your second main you'll be able to cast a creature with it's cost reduced.
- You have 4 instants now (more coming in the future I hope) and 3 creatures with activated abilities requiring mana. Price of Glory punish your for using those. I know it will punish counterspells as well, but there are some alternatives for that that won't draw the hate on your head, as stated above.
- Lastly, I know I insisted a lot on avoid drawin unnecesary hate on you, but Ob Nixilis, Unshackled is another one to give some thought. People really love their ramping and tutoring. Though in this case I'm not saying you should remove him, just re-evaluate his inclusion.
I hope some of this suggestions help in any way.
6 days ago
You're kinda banking on someone not being able to block Godo in those two combat steps, aren't you?
I like the deck but I feel like there's probably a less convoluted combo you could play after getting Blade and Hammer on Godo. I'll hit up equipments on gatherer and see what I can think of.
Off the top of my head:
Goblin Marshal, Skirk Prospector, and Nim Deathmantle is already infinite mana and tokens. Do you really need the rest of the combo, or would it be easier to recast Godo and find an infinite mana outlet? (You could also get another creature that's a Goblin, Zombie, Minotaur, or Warrior.)
Cut Argentum Armor, Dowsing Dagger, Winds of Change, Possibility Storm, Pyrokinesis, and Widespread Panic. Do you see these cards in cEDH decks ever? No? That's cause they're bad.
Cut Thorn of Amethyst. It's not great without other stax effects.
Cut Swiftfoot Boots for Lightning Greaves. It's better.
Consider swapping the 1 mana rituals (Desperate Ritual, Pyretic Ritual, Rite of Flame, Simian-Spirit Guide, and Lotus Petal) for more 2CMC rocks (Fellwar Stone, Mind Stone, Star Compass, Coldsteel Heart, Fire Diamond). This isn't a storm deck, and you're more likely to get value off of things that stick the turn. Maybe keep Simian and Petal since they're free.
Consider Sword of Feast and Famine. It's has infinite combat combos associated with it, and it's just a great way for Red to generate extra mana to work with.
Strionic Resonator or Panharmonicon on Godo's ETB could let you grab Blade and Lightning Greaves to go off same turn, or something to attach Blade if Godo already had haste. Finding a way to go off the turn you cast Godo would help this deck enormously.
Add Magus of the Moon.
Also, there's no way this gets to T2. Godo has to stick the turn for this to work, and red has terrible interaction. Turn 3 goldfishes in a vaccum aren't everything. This will probably bump him up to T3 though. Good find.