Jace, Arcane Strategist
Legendary Planeswalker — Jace
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
+1: Draw a card.
-7: Creatures you control can't be blocked this turn.
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|War of the Spark (WAR)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Jace, Arcane Strategist Discussion
1 month ago
If I understand correctly, you would like a mono-blue Mu Yanling tribal walker for elementals, set on Ikoria?
There are only a few mono-blue elements from what I've seen spoiled for Ikoria:
And two in red:
And only one :
So there's not much to draw from there alone. It would have to be considered alongside her usefulness in other planes as well. But a few Ikoria keywords (pun kind of intended) could certainly be implemented elsewhere.
For instance, I noted pretty quickly that the common verbiage on cards like Jace, Arcane Strategist was a setup to make cycling more effective. So even though he's in Ravnica during that rendition, he'll probably be even better in Ikoria. R&D know what they're doing.
With all of this in mind, I'll now take a stab at Mu Yanling as a tribal walker in Ikoria
Mu Yanling, Wind's Potentate
When you cast your second spell each turn, create a 1/2 blue Elemental Bird creature token with flying
+2 Put a +1/+1 counter and a flying counter on target creature you control. It becomes a blue Elemental in addition to its other colors and types
-2 ~ deals 3 damage divided as you choose between up to 3 target creatures. Those creatures lose flying until end of turn.
-8 Flying creatures you control get +5/+5 until end of turn
So, kind of a flying tribal (if there is such a thing) more so than Elemental tribal, but that's more in line with some of the themes of Ikoria anyway. It turns your other creatures into air elementals, and I think that showcases the sheer extent of her power, speaking from a purely flavor perspective. But the spellslinger static ability leans towards Izzet, which translates well into any plane.
Two posts came up in the million years it took me to type all this, and I still managed to be in the right for completing the challenge! Mahahaha!
Do a Vivien tribe walker for beasts.
4 months ago
Awakening of Vitu-Ghazi gets you nine +1/+1 counters. Simic Ascendancy gets you an alternate win-con (has helped me a lot when I can't get through my opponent's board), and Evolution Sage is just awesome, particularly with Fabled Passage . Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter is an interesting thing to put in the deck, since it gives +1/+1s and some ramp when you need it.
Jace, Arcane Strategist isn't really good, particularly for a six-mana planeswalker (same with Jace's Ruse ). Spark Double is too expensive for the effect, and I don't really think Growth Spiral fits with the gameplan here.
4 months ago
I'd say pick better friends. When judging a planeswalker in other decks, you mainly look at the first 2 abilities and judge how protected a planeswalker is after Plus-ing or how vulnerable they are after Minus-ing and how planeswalkers can protect themselves.
Let's look at how we usually evaluate planeswalkers. Garruk, Cursed Huntsman . 5 Loyalty > Pretty Good Body that can take a bit of damage. A 0 ability isn't the best, but it makes blockers that your opponents don't want to attack into because Garruk gets bigger. -3 kills any attackers while also drawing a card. -6 Win the game with Combat Damage. We're usually going to be looking at the first and second abilities, however, as it can't be easy in all situations to get to -6
Not in Atraxa though.
The amount of loyalty that a planeswalker can get in one turn is much higher than normal, so we instead look at the Ultimates and the Second abilities mainly. A planeswalker in this deck can minus all the way and still live and generate value. Therefore, we play planeswalkers that are stronger in a vacuum
Sure, Kiora or Ajani, the Greathearted are great with creatures on the board and things to interact with, but on their own, they don't go anywhere. On the other hand, a planeswalker like Venser or Teferi may be hard to get to ultimate in a normal game but is almost a guarantee in an Atraxa deck.
For most decks, you look at how averagely the planeswalker does. For example, Jace, the Mind Sculptor . Maybe, in a game, you bounce a few things, brainstorm a couple of times, and start to fateseal. However, Jace's ultimate is very hard to get just by using his +2, so very rarely would we base his power just off that. But in Atraxa, with added proliferate, we can easily get the ultimate for Jace and basically win on the spot.
Ajani, Caller of the Pride - What creatures? Atraxa maybe, but what creatures will you have early in the game? 1/10
Ajani, Mentor of Heroes - Pretty OK in that it can dig for more planeswalkers. Don't play it for the Counters, you have very few creatures. Gain 100 Life would be used as a panic button, not something you should try to get to, just keep using his second ability until you find better planeswalkers. 5/10
Ajani, the Greathearted - Puts loyalty counters on things. Gives creatures vigilance, which makes them able to block and protect the planeswalkers, but there are few creatures here that block well. 6/10
Ajani Unyielding - Getting to swords something every turn is very powerful, and he digs for more planeswalker. 8/10
Ashiok, Dream Render - Why? Bojuka Bog and Scavenging Ooze are both on color here? As is Aven Mindcensor , which, if you're looking at that static ability, is WAY better because the bird can attack and has flash. It may look worse because it still lets them look at the top 4, but this is 100 card singleton, your opponents never get what they wanted. Also, the flash is super relevant because, against Ashiok, people just hold their tutors until Ashiok is gone, but the bird can come unexpectedly, basically nullifying at least 1 tutor 1/10
Jace, Arcane Strategist - Draws 1 card, but for 6 mana. Can't put counters on creatures you don't have. 1/10
Jace, Unraveler of Secrets - First ability is already good, the second one can make for some pretty good locks, and the ultimate really stalls the game and lets your other planeswalkers build loyalty. 8/10
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries - Drawing 7 cards makes for a pretty good ultimate, even if he's a little hard to cast on turn 4. Very possible to draw 7. 7/10
Liliana of the Dark Realms - The worst Liliana. It doesn't do enough since everything is tied to your Swamps. Sure with Urborg, it's good, but 1 in 98 (You can't fetch Urborg because in your library it isn't a Swamp). Play Liliana, the Last Hope because EMBLEM. 1/10
Mu Yanling - The only real good thing is the minus because you only have 2 haymakers that would want to attack. The Ultimate would be good in a creature in a creature deck because it lets you attack without blockers, but this isn't a creature deck. Also, your proliferate is not fast enough to keep up with -3 every turn. Mu Yanling, Sky Dancer is cheaper and protects herself while providing extreme endgame value. 4/10
Sorin Markov - "Oops you're dead". Sorin will always -3 on the turn he comes in obviously. However, with enough proliferate, you can Mind Slaver eventually after that. As your opponent tries to claw back, you'll be able to waste all their work. 8/10
Teferi, Temporal Archmage - Pretty good Ultimate with some card selection thrown in. 8/10
Ugin, the Ineffable - Most of your colorless spells are Ramp so static is kinda a meh. However, having played Ugin Jr., the manifest ability is quite good and provides a more interesting form of card advantage. Also, in this deck, you'll be using the -3 a lot more. 8.5/10
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon - The perfect planeswalker for this deck. A powerful ultimate that usually take ~3-4 turns can be done in 2 and can put more planeswalkers into play. 10/10
Venser, the Sojourner - Don't know what you'll be flickering, but it can just be anything for value and still probably be good. Extremely powerful ultimate; wins games. 9/10
Vraska the Unseen - Controls the board and, in this deck, wins the game a lot faster. Versatile removal with the -3, which can be used a lot more often. 9/10
In general, I don't think you have enough proliferate. You have 3 spells with the word proliferate and one of them is Atraxa. You do have a lot of cards that would work great with more proliferate that aren't planeswalkers. Doubling Season, Blightsteel, and Shalai would all work super well with more repeatable proliferate. As with most tribal decks (This is sort of just Planeswalker Tribal), you do need to find the balance between Creatures of the tribe and Tribal Boosters. For example, why play Rhystic Study or Enlightened Tutor when you can just play another Planeswalker or Proliferate card. These cards are there specifically for value, but the Planeswalkers and Proliferate cards are your value engines.
Planeswalkers are very powerful, which is why Atraxa is one of the most popular Commanders, so play more of them. Will Kenrith for value, Tamiyo, Field Researcher for value, Teferi, Hero of Dominaria for more value. Take a look at these planeswalkers to see what to play. These planeswalkers by themselves are incredible and win can easily win games. However, with Atraxa, things get even better
8 months ago
Lonelyyoshi1 The reason Mill decks work is because you strip your opponent's resources away from them before they can ever draw them. Basically, making someone mill is control. You want to be milling cards from your opponent every turn and right now you have two strategies in your deck. Creature and draw. the two strategies cross over with Psychic Corrosion , Hedron Crab , because both of those say "do something you're gonna do every turn and mill your opponent" Now the Creature strategy would be a focus on Sage's Row Denizen . Fewer spells and add value creatures. Merfolk Trickster , Cloudkin Seer , Frost Lynx , Fblthp, the Lost . I'm sure the great minds of this forum can list much better versions then i can but those are the few i know right now without google. The whole goal of this version would be to get Sage's Row Denizen out and play a "draw go" style unless you need to play a value creature. I would even run creature copying effects to really abuse the sage like Quasiduplicate , Mirror Image , Spark Double , Rite of Replication . you would have to drop most of your planeswalkers and maybe only keep Kasmina, Enigmatic Mentor and run other effects like Blink of an Eye , Callous Dismissal to out value your opponent until you can go nuclear with your sages. at least thats how i would do a creature version. The draw version focuses more on Psychic Corrosion and control. You would run instant speed draw spells like Opt , Radical Idea , Chemister's Insight so you can keep mana open to counter your opponent with Negate , Cancel , Wizard's Retort , Counterspell . You would be 100% draw go. Your turns would more or less be draw, play a land, trigger Hedron Crab , pass. then you counter your opponents spells. if they don't play anything scary you use all your mana at the end of their turn to use your draw spells and make them mill with Psychic Corrosion . you would want to play a bounce spell, recommend Unsummon and your Jace package to get free draws for the mill. Again, I've already shown i don't know the meta for modern so listen to the other guys commenting. The reason i don't like Jace, Arcane Strategist is because he's 6 cmc and doesn't really move you towards your game plan as fast as the other Jaces do. That is also giving your opponent a free turn with 6-7 mana where they don't have to worry about a counter spell. You could run Force of Negation but you are really taking a risk relying on 1 card to protect you so you can play a Jace that has 30% synergy with your deck. I'd rather play my second Psychic Corrosion and have mana up for Thought Collapse or Opt and Radical Idea . Ultimately it is your deck so have fun with it but these are my thoughts. If you would like i could probably use your card list to build two version of your deck and you can try both out.
8 months ago
Lonelyyoshi1 Looks better! I'm not high on Jace, Arcane Strategist , I feel like he doesn't work towards your milling game plan. I personally wasn't aware of Sphinx's Tutelage or Fraying Sanity that Kjartan suggested. Those would be awesome and keep you on curve. I also forgot about Ashiok, Dream Render . 3cmc planeswalker that mills four when he comes into play, he exiles your opponents graveyard, and stops opponent from searching is library. Now, i don't play a lot of modern but last i checked Arclight Phoenix was a popular deck. I remember seeing a recursion deck and i believe fetch lands are common. Lets just shut all of that down! Not sure how competitive you want to be but Ashiok, Dream Render would be a monster in this deck.
There are some other blue planeswalkers from war of the spark that could also be helpful. Narset, Parter of Veils Kasmina, Enigmatic Mentor Narset will stop card draw by your opponent and allow you to dig for mill pieces. Kasmina will help protect your creatures by taxing your opponent and she has synergy with Sage's Row Denizen and Psychic Corrosion . Not really suggesting but it's something to look at. Sorry for the wall of text....
9 months ago
Also consider Jace, Arcane Strategist to help with card draw, proliferation synergy, and getting your big Zombie Army and other boosted creatures to the opponent's face.
9 months ago
Dank-Cat - Not to sure since I believe Ixalan is rotating out soon, the drawing and hand size is nice as an addition to being a creature, but thats a bit of a tough choice. Maybe in place of Jace, Arcane Strategist if it works out better over another planeswalker.
ScionsStillLive Perhaps I could work it into the deck, I like chemisters although the only issue is finding what to replace for it. I like Jace's Triumph since its a mana less and can draw 3 with jace out, but insight does have the discard plus two cards again adding up to 4 total. The cost is 4 for nearly the same effect just with an additional turn in use. Its a thought though if I can figure something out.