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Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
When you cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, draw four cards.
Annihilator 4 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices four permanents.)
When Kozilek is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library.
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Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Discussion
2 hours ago
This is a very land-light deck and Burgeoning will mostly only drop one or two lands maximum for a card. It also doesn't put counters on Animar, can't be tutored for, and is a bad draw at any time except turn one to drop a turn two Animar. Carpet of Flowers more consistently ramps this deck into a turn two Animar and still doesn't deserve a spot because just getting a turn two animar by spending a mana isn't enough, it normally has to either be free like Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox or the similar effects or be a creature like Birds of Paradise.
Venser, Shaper Savant is not useful in the same way Man-o'-War is, being that both can bounce themselves, but Man o' War can do it for half the mana, putting twice the +1/+1 counters that Venser will on Animar. This is a huge difference when you need a number of counters to cast a game-winning spell by turn 4 or trying to win right there.
Against Red Removal, Blasphemous Act type effects are unaffected by Lightning Greaves/Swiftfoot Boots, so I assume this isn't your problem. Against Lightning Bolt effects stuff like Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, Pact of Negation, and Mental Misstep can counter as well as just putting a few counters on Animar, Soul of Elements. Against Chaos Warp, we still have Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation, though you could run some cards like Swan Song and Dispel can be flex slots. They also happen to slow your opponents down if they try to combo out.
Against Blue Removal, which I assume is your problem, Chain of Vapor, Into the Roil, Rapid Hybridization and Cyclonic Rift can still be blocked with Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation, but also can be blocked by some of the flex slots I talked about prior.
Green removal is pretty much just Beast Within and Song of the Dryads and is generally rare, but if it is really hurting your, Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation can stop them all, and Caustic Caterpillar, Brutalizer Exarch, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger can deal with Song of the Dryads type effects.
Now while I respect your opinion in your meta on the use and capability of Emrakul, the Promised End, in this deck it commonly reduces it's cost by 1-3 mana, and can be reduced by 4-7 on a mid-sized Animar, Soul of Elements like you said, so 5-10 mana on normal by turns 5-6, or mid game. Even saying it costs is pushing it and if that is the case, you should run it if your meta is overrun with decks that are ruined by it. However due to the top tiered decks normally running a high number of instants that can be used to disable their own ability, think Chain of Vapor, they could commonly stop you from ruining themselves too bad in response to the ability before their turn. Rarely can it do more than a Word of Command because of stuff like that. Even if it just killed target player, like you said about swinging in with a swoll Animar, it doesn't win you the game to kill one player.
Again, that is only the reason that it isn't good enough for JMCraig to toss it in with the goal of this for cEDH decks, but if it works in your playgroup, do it! I have only the best wishes for you and your Animar deck!
You want a backup-backup plan I think was that second-to-last line? I don't understand why you think that is nessecary, but I will go over the plan:
Main Plan : Animar + Statue + Outlet = Win
Backup Plan : Kiki-jiki + Untapper = Win
We have a backup plan, why do you assume we need another?
You seemed to argue for Tishana over Big Kozi, but Kozilek, Butcher of Truth does have other use in the deck, and I would argue is better with a pumped Animar than Tishana. It can be free if you need a wincon and have Ancestral Statued Animar, Soul of Elements to infinity and beyond and just need to win, but don't have much more mana, Kozi is free, also with Survival of the Fittest you can fetch him and discard him to reshuffle your yard back in if you couldn't otherwise get back a card. Due to the discard being the cost, you could then fetch out a card that was in your graveyard when you fetched, making a really cool Primal Command effect for and a Survival of the Fittest.
Arguing Tishana can be fetched with Fierce Empath is fair, no arguement here, and it is even a decent option, but Imperial Recruiter has a ton of much better options, like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to copy the recruiter fetching Deceiver Exarch and winning the game. I can't think of a game I have ever played with Animar in which I wished I had a tishana to fetch with Imperial Recruiter. But yes, it isn't technically wrong.
The last thing I want to cover was one of your first points, about the lack of outlets to win with Ancestral Statue, with Purphoros, God of the Forge and Walking Ballista being the outlets of choice, if you have found problems tutoring tehm out, try also running Reckless Fireweaver. It doesn't combo with Man-o'-War or Shrieking Drake, but is still very useful.
1 day ago
Bramble Sovereign + your extra mana from Vorinclex.
You have a bunch of big power creatures, I'd add a Garruk's Packleader for card draw.
Vorinclex + Patron of the Orochi can be really silly if you have any X-costing spells such as Endless One or Wurmcalling or Gelatinous Genesis or Wolfbriar Elemental or Flock of Rabid Sheep (I think that last one is actually legal).
I've always wanted to use Polyraptor but it seems too expensive to me.
2 days ago
No worries, I too really wanna try out this new commander, don't have it yet but I really wanna +1 throw something on top of my deck like Kozilek, Butcher of Truth or Rune-Scarred Demon and then Proteus Staff into it. Proteus Staff is amazing for a few reasons, remove an enemy threat for something potentially less scary or trade your etb creatures that you control that are no longer necessary for an upgrade. With Aminatou's ability or the other methods mentioned before it's super easy to pick the upgrade :P.
Thanks for the ideas as well and it surprised me someone started looking at it while I was still building.
1 week ago
You might want to add a bit of graveyard recursion.
1 week ago
One piece of tech I've been excited for is Oath of Druids. You do have to reduce your creature count substantially: I only have Gitrog, Titania, Omnath, Borborygmos, Sire Of Insanity, and Kozilek, Butcher of Truth. The first two will immediately have targets for their triggers. With so few creatures, your wraths and death clouds become better. I also think you should have an Eldrazi Titan in the deck for the shuffle trigger to save your 'yard and enable Dakmor/Gitrog loops.
on Rx (Meth is)
1 week ago
Thoughts on the eldrazi titans like Kozilek, Butcher of Truth since you're able to get to 10 mana pretty quickly with your deck?
1 week ago
It really depends, but some combination of Dig Through Time, Temporal Trespass, Akroma's Memorial, and various 5, 6, and 7 drops. Kozilek, Butcher of Truth is currently in the deck, but he's a lot of mana that UB can't ramp to, so I'm not wild about having an uncastable card in the deck. I might try Emrakul, the Promised End, but the value she makes isn't what the deck needs, and makes you even more of a target.
2 weeks ago
The filtering effect is being overlooked by a lot of people in favour of zombie tribal -- That's fine, but that filter is bonkers when you break it down; Draw X (X = # of Zombies), Discard X, Gain X life. It's Sphinx's Revelation but as a looter.
In the right deck, you can really abuse this. You can run a suite of zombies ala Tribal and it'll work just as well as having some dedicated token generators.
Myself, I've been looking at her as a control deck, abusing Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre to reload the cards you discard ready to be used again -- House of the Dead [Varina Spellslinger] for reference, but I'm a far way away from optimising it.
She's not broken; She's powerful, certainly, but it's a fine balancing act.