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|Modern Masters 2015 Edition (MM2)||Mythic Rare|
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Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
When you cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, draw four cards.
Annihilator 4 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices four permanents.)
When Kozilek is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library.
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Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Discussion
6 days ago
So with Cloudstone Curio out of the deck, do you think that puts cards like Peregrine Drake, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, and Kozilek, Butcher of Truth under scrutiny? One of the major reasons to include them as a top end to begin with was because of how they are able to combo with Curio, so how effective is their role now considering that they don't work with Kiki?
There are still a lot of ways for the deck to bounce them back to your hand multiple times. On a number of occasions I've gone off with Ancestral Statue, cast Ulamog, bounced it back to my hand with Shrieking Drake, cast Ulamog again, bounced it back with the Statue, then cast it a third time. Exiling 6 permanent in one go is usually adequate for clearing the way to kill a player with Animar.
On the down side though, the Eldrazi are awkward to get in an opening hand. Are there cheaper options that aren't as reliant on the Statue to be viable earlier in the game?
All three cards are still great in the deck, but since the lack of the Curio removes a number of the lines of play that they were normally a part of I figure that it is at least worth throwing the question out there for consideration.
And as another thought, does Spellseeker make Grapeshot a viable inclusion in the deck? It allows 3/4 of your 3 CMC tutor creatures to be able to fetch up a win-con after going off with the Statue, and with the number of spells Animar can cast on a non-combo turn the Grapeshot would still make a decent removal option for clearing out annoying creatures like Hushwing Gryff that would otherwise be tough for Animar to get rid of.
1 week ago
Thanks for the suggestions! I've moved those cards in and out of the deck for awhile, but it seems like I got a little greedy on value without adding enough card draw. I added Zendikar Resurgent, Evolutionary Leap, and Lifecrafter's Bestiary. I also want to try Kozilek, Butcher of Truth as a possible mid-game wincon with great draw for late game.
1 week ago
i know, i know, it will break budget. But imagine how effective a Mana Reflection would be. and i also like th budget aspect, as well. most mono green decks, sasaya especially, are expensive as hell to build. If you want to make the standard old beat the living daylights out of a person using Kozilek, Butcher of Truth/Blightsteel Colossus, which are each worth a ton. My favorite deck right now is an Omnath, Locus of Mana deck, and good golly was it expensive. It is effective as all get out, though, and a great alternative to the "Only good decks", combo decks. Keep up with the good work.
1 week ago
you seriously should not have over 60 cards in any deck that is not Battle of Wits
2 weeks ago
+1 frome definitely. Looks fun. Heavy on the morph mechanic. Idk if I've ever seen Mischievous Quanar before! Having a bunch keeps ppl guessing. Day's Undoing is another neat one after you dump your hand
I'd maybe suggest a little more draw card? Secret Plans, Thrasios, Triton Hero, Shaman of the Great Hunt, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Consecrated Sphinx, etc. Most are expensive tho. There's tutors but you're not going for combo so eh
Animar is the best; I hope you smash your friends!
2 weeks ago
scottemery: Ashnod's Altar serves a few purposes in the deck. The primary one is similar to that of Krark-Clan Ironworks where it allows us to sacrifice spare creatures as a ritual effect to cast Kozilek early. It also serves an important role in winning through a combo route. Because Kozilek, Butcher of Truth shuffles the graveyard back into the library if you actually let him die and go to the graveyard, this allows you to loop any card in your library as many times as you want. This has been way more relevant than you would think. Azor's Gateway Flip as well as opponents just using removal spells against you often means that important combo pieces are lost in the early game and there are many times in cEDH that you cannot afford to just set up an unbeatable field and wait for the next turn to win. The ability to cycle your entire library an arbitrary amount of times means that you have a lot of backup win conditions if it comes to it. Hell, I've won by decking everyone else out with Candelabra of Tawnos, Ashnod's Altar, Paradox Engine, a bunch of mana rocks, and Mikokoro, Center of the Sea before (casting and sacrificing Kozilek a bunch of times of course). I genuinely had no other options left that could win or establish a lock on my turn and the storm player made it clear that if it got to their turn, they had the win. Also, it can sacrifice one of your ridiculously powerful creatures if someone tries to steal it which is preferable to dying to your own creature. With the amount of attention Gilded Drake has been getting in cEDH, this is not an issue to shrug off. If people see Kozilek in the command zone, they will wait to cast it and they will absolutely give you the 3/3 flyer in exchange for your commander. Lastly, there are a lot of times with your absurd mana production that you run out of cards in hand and it is almost always right to sacrifice Kozilek and recast him to draw 4 more cards.
All that said, Mirage Mirror (copying Kozilek) serves the second purpose as well (just keep the clone and let the real one die to the legend rule). This can be tricky if you need to use Mirage Mirror for other purposes but the option is there. And if I am honest, Ashnod's Altar is definitely on the cutting block. I don't blame you if you want to just play another mana rock in its place but it has been very relevant a lot of times for me so I am always hesitant to cut it.
1 month ago
Hello! Your deck has a lot of similarity to mine (The Ten Plagues: Locust God EDH | *PRIMER*), and overall this definitely looks good.
I don't have much time to write currently - graduation week at my university - but a few quick thoughts:
3) With this few nonbasics, Back to Basics seems like it would be AMAZING.
6) Mystic Remora for a thousand years :)
I hope this helps a bit! :)
1 month ago
To avoid milling yourself you can slide in something like Elixir of Immortality or one of the original eldrazi. Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre. Could also do Emrakul, the Aeons Torn if no one in your area cares about the ban list.
For win cons one of the eldrazi above can work if you get to where it is you vs your last opponent. I see a starfield but maybe Opalescence too? You are a bit pillowy so Helix Pinnacle or Epic Struggle could do the job.