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1 week ago
Looking for a few last remaining pieces to complete my decks for the upcoming GP. Need them fast and willing to do cash+cards if needed!
Just looking for cheapest versions if possible. Thanks for looking!
1 week ago
I believe that, at least back when these two were created, it was well within any color’s “slice” of the color pie to counter on destroy a spell of an enemy color. Other examples would include Hydroblast and Pyroblast (blue card saying destroy and red card saying counter). So, I would think that these don’t bend the color pie as much as you might think. I guess now that it is more defined, Wizards has moved away from doing this, but as a callback to old design, I feel it’s perfectly fine.
Cards look sweet. Cool idea!
2 weeks ago
I counted Angel's Grace as a pseudo-wincon card of its own during the times I've included it in my Breya builds in the past, which is why I cut it in this particular list to try out the effectiveness of Bomberman and Paradox Engine as combos.
It's been a while since I've played this list or updated it for that matter, and after all my time with the list in retrospect, I'd include Grace in a heartbeat. Possibly cut Pyroblast or Vandalblast for it, just to decrease the need for red in the deck by a smidge.
2 weeks ago
Nether Void is just insane.
Carpet of Flowers is a must-have in any stax deck where blue decks are going to be in your play group. Guttural Response, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast also things I'd recommend if blue decks are prevalent.
I'm also noticing a distinct lack of discard effects. One of the best ones in stax is Bottomless Pit.
4 weeks ago
Also, could you please drop the "Competitive" hub?
I want to preface this with that I don't want to claim you, your deckbuilding skills, or this deck is bad. I simply want to make notice of the "competitive" hub you placed on this list. I would like to see it removed due to what I believe is a mistake and might be misleading.
Competitive lists are normally Tier 1 to 2.5 lists that tend to either:
A - Be able to race out wins with a tad bit of protects, turn 1-4 wins need to be regular.
C - Be able to counter or remove any combo win or stax lock your opponents drop before they win, and then pull a win yourself.
These three archetypes are "Combo", "Stax" and "Control" respectively. Occasionally decks do fit multiple archetypes and are a hybrid of them.
This deck cannot race consitently between turns 1-4, and it doesn't have good stax, so if it is a competitive list, it should be control. You run 6 pieces of removal and no countermagic (Pyroblast, Illumination, Red Elemental Blast, Guttural Response, etc.), which is a fifth the minimum amount of cEDH straight control lists run.
Please, I don't want to insult the list, just please drop the "competitive" hub.
Here are some lists that are considered Tier 1, the most competitive lists, for reference:
4 weeks ago
Tatyova, Benthic Druid supports lands on the battlefield, The Gitrog Monster supports them in the graveyard, and with Borborygmos Enraged we now have a commander in good colors that supports lands in your hand. Well, almost.
Tatyova, Benthic Druid and The Gitrog Monster support your lands by drawing you cards, which is a very valueable commodity for decks that run a ton of lands, as lands give mana, but not exactly card draw, the two most important resources. Borborygmos Enraged is a tad different, instead it pumps out Lightning Bolts!. This makes it great removal in a competitive scene with a lot of dorks and hatebears if you have the lands to support him blowing everything up, and he can be used to win given enough lands.
Instead of being a commander that cycles through your deck, you are now running a commander that is a win condition if you can cycle through your deck, while also eliminating pesky Spirit of the Labyrinths and Notion Thiefs occasionally. This is not worse by itself, just different to the other "land-storm" strategies that have existed before.
Well then, if you are in colors that make it easy to cycle through your deck, it shouldn't be a problem to pull this off. This would work if you were in or , however you are not, you are in . This will make it harder to make this kind of deck viable, except wait! You aren't a landstorm deck, you are a combo deck that is running Keen Sense and Snake Umbra, which will allow you to turn your commander into a drawing machine!
Okay, then there is a very clear deck in the meta to compare it to, Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, a powerful Tier 2 list, running Curiosity and Ophidian Eye, which can allow for the commander to deal damage, drawing a card, dealing damage, and so forth, and with the commander costing 4 devotion like this one, it would make sense to compare them, even the enchantments costs are the same!
On the side of Borborygmos the enraged, he is in green and so has tons of ramp, along with being a allied color to red, so there is better lands for him, and also has access to land destruction and some better stax effects.
On the side of Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, she is 2 mana less, has blue, which allows access to much better card draw, has Tandem Lookout and Mind Over Matter as well, and so has a couple more options than green for combo-pieces, and also has a commander that can draw cards (getting closer to the combo) than Borborygmos Enraged. It has better tutoring options, as Long-Term Plans, Intuition, Dizzy Spell, etc. It has better interaction in the form of countermagic and removal (Chain of Vapor, Cyclonic Rift, Pongify etc.). This is all good and everything, but what Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind truely has over Borborygmos the enraged is that she can win without being lucky on the draw (doesn't need to find a land to trigger again), and can run a 30-land landbase instead of a 42-land landbase to be consistent.
With all of that stacked against Borborygmos the enraged, does that mean he isn't a competitive commander? Not nessecarily, I personally believe every commander could be competitive. No, I think this deck has taken what Borborygmos the enraged is trying to do incorrectly.
I have been working on a primer for making any commander competitive, Why Every Commander is Competitive, and when I looked through the advice I would give others, I would turn this list into a stax list, you run a couple stax cards, like Destructive Force and Wildfire, and I think it is something that this list should do much much more of.
Imagine if instead of this combo-oriented list (which I hope I have explained why it isn't competitive as a land-storm/combo build at this point), was instead a stax build. You ramp into a Ruination, drop a Trinisphere, and your opponents have nothing. Null Rod there artifact mana, Cursed Totem there dorks, and ramp basic lands to win. Blood Moon them, Magus of the Moon them (tutorable via Imperial Recruiter), and eventually, once you have run all of your opponents out of gas, you plop your commander, and play out a Storm Cauldron, taking everyone down in a turn or two. Maybe you run a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Zealous Conscripts combo in the list as a backup.
A deck like that doesn't sound like a deck like The Gitrog Monster or Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, and I promise it is a competitive list. If it sounds like the commander isn't necessary, you wouldn't be wrong. I could build it with Jerrard of the Closed Fist minus the Storm Cauldron part, and it would do about as well.
I want to apologize if it sounds like I am ramming your deck, this is simply what I see. If you would rather me not criticize your list or suggest improvements, I won't do it any more, just say it.
1 month ago
Well, these discussions matter a lot.
Cromat may be a better commander than Mairsil, the Pretender at a Laboratory Maniac combo if the addition of green and white with support cards like Grand Abolisher, Silence, Abrupt Decay, Autumn's Veil, Nature's Claim, and Swords to Plowshares are good enough that you don't need a commander with minor benefits.
In that way, I think every 5 color commander should be Tier 2, as I can make any of them a decent list (or a hundred decent lists). No, they don't have to support a combo if their colors are powerful enough on their own.
On the other hand. I could run any random grixis commander, and build a list that though might be slightly worse than Kess, Dissident Mage, could make a very good deck using the shell of Grixis Twin. That deck might even be more powerful than Azami, Lady of Scrolls. Think about that. The fact that Karona, False God, with the list of Grixis Twin might be better than many tier 2 lists, yet is tier 5?
A Tier 5 list that is better than a tier 2 list, isn't a tier 5 list, yet at that point, the best decks should be the best decks, not the commanders at the helm of them. Think about stax decks, you can build a mono-red stax list that works (albeit not the best, but not bad or anything) and even use the commander of Zirilan of the Claw for a bit of removal if you cheat out one of the dragons that deals damage on ETB. That deck sure might whoop a Tier 3 list every time, with a mix of fast-paced stax, using Winter Orbs and Static Orbs, along with Sphere of Resistance and Thorn of Amethysts and some removal like Blasphemous Act, all the while setting up a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker combo for the win. That deck doesn't sound bad, right? Well Zirilan of the Claw is tier 4, apparently they can't even compete against tier 1 lists, but against them, it can work, red has Gamble, Pyroblast/Red Elemental Blast, and all of the colorless stax options, along with more card draw than Hokori, Dust Drinker has, no, it isn't as powerful a commander if you don't include color, but if the color has more power, than the deck can, and the commander's deck is what the commander's power is derived from.
I understand this list will be making changes in the near future, I am excited for that, but until then, I still think most commanders (like 80% or so of them) can be made into a list that is competitive (Tier 1-2).
To be honest, I could probably write up a playable list for most commanders. I am probably going to do that soon.
1 month ago
Cut Springsage Ritual into Nature's Claim Guttural Response Into Pyroblast Add Elvish Mystic I think u can easy cut Reliquary Tower Terastodon Is always good U NEED to play Bane of Progress Fun land that u can play is Arena Cards that u can cut are Magmatic Chasm Crash Through Ground Assault Rubblebelt Raiders
And if u want to play BIG COCK DECK then u need