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Kiora, the Crashing Wave
Planeswalker — Kiora
+1: Until your next turn, prevent all damage that would be dealt to and dealt by target permanent an opponent controls.
-1: Draw a card. You may play an additional land this turn.
-5: You get an emblem with "At the beginning of your end step, put a 9/9 blue Kraken creature token onto the battlefield."
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Kiora, the Crashing Wave Discussion
6 days ago
That being said, the main strategy of the deck revolves around having Pir, Imaginative Rascal and more importantly Toothy, Imaginary Friend out. The deck revolves around +1/+1 counter synergy, but most wins will come from swinging for lethal Commander damage with Toothy. A lot of the cards are built to synergize around that. The clone effects are built to clone Toothy, the draw effects are built to grow Toothy, and Elixir of Immortality and Laboratory Maniac are in there in case I deck myself, which since the time of this, I have actually won with Lab Maniac. Elixir is in place in case I haven't drawn into an "unlimited hand size" card and have to discard down to hand size after drawing a ton of cards.
Darksteel Reactor wins games with all the proliferate and doubling effects, it's won me a non-zero amount of games within several playgroups (anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much, but it's all I've got.)
The Planeswalkers are in the deck for additional value. With Pir on the board, they enter with an additional loyalty counter and gain an additional counter when they uptick. Nissa, Vital Force can immediately ult after ETB which is more value for Toothy. Kiora, the Crashing Wave is a meta-call in my playgroup to stop Purphoros or other commanders that deal heavy amounts of damage. The rest are there for additional value, and again in personal experience have served well, for what it's worth.
2 weeks ago
Hey elgosu, I've been meaning to make a lands-matter deck for quite some time and this list has really given me the push to finish the brew. I decided to go with Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder for a sort of unconventional 4c lands deck; we don't get too many new cards by adding blue to your Jund build, but they are very powerful. With blue, I saw potential in the following cards:
Hedron Crab (the least exciting one by far, but still decent by all means)
Thrasios, Triton Hero (yet another infinite mana sink)
Kiora, the Crashing Wave (may be a bit lackluster, but you can never have too many "play extra lands" cards)
Kefnet the Mindful (land bounce and draw seems good)
Patron of the Moon (the most exciting for me personally; does wonders with amulet)
Retreat to Coralhelm (there's gotta be an infinite untap combo somewhere in here)
Sunder (our own version of hurkyl's recall)
Trade Routes (seems pretty solid in general as a discard outlet and bounce outlet)
Lastly, we can obviously play more karoos, which works well with amulet. So, if you were to add blue to this list, would you consider adding any of the above cards or any others I haven't mentioned, and what would you take out if you did?
3 weeks ago
I played my first two games of commander in over a year tonight, and by first, I mean with physical cards.
Game 1 vs Atraxa Superfriends:
Game 2 vs Atraxa Superfriends and Breya Artifacts:
This game was awesome. There was a lot of back and forth interactions throughout the game. Atraxa was able to ultimate a Jace, Unraveler of Secrets and Tezzeret, Artifice Master, and we were also under an Ensnaring Bridge.
I'm sitting at 14, Breya at 34, and Atraxa at 35. Atraxa has a Karn Liberated, Teferi, Temporal Archmage, and Atraxa out, along with a couple thopters. My turn, I cast Kokusho, the Evening Star to bait out the emblem counter. I then cast Living Death and bring back Duplicant, Vulturous Aven, Ravenous Chupacabra, Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Rune-Scarred Demon, Kokusho, the Evening Star, Sheoldred, Whispering One, and Gray Merchant of Asphodel. I drain each for 16 (I also have a Necropotence out), putting them at 18 and 19 and gain 32 to go to 46. I exploit Gary from Aven, draw 2 and lose 2 down to 44, and then exploit Kokusho from Sidisi, bringing them down to 13 and 14 and me up to 54. I use my two tutors to go grab Ashnod's Altar and Lifeline (the two creature removal effects didn't matter). I then dump 10 life into Necro, sculpt my hand to contain Ancient Tomb, Cabal Coffers, Lifeline, Ashnod's Altar, Go for the Throat, Animate Dead, and Reanimate, and pass.
It's Breya's turn, and he casts Merciless Eviction naming Planeswalkers, and states he's more nervous about them than my creatures, and he didn't want to lose what creatures he had.
Atraxa goes, can't do much, and EOT brings out Teferi, Hero of Dominaria.
On my turn, Sheoldred triggers, and I bring back Gary for the win.
Had Breya chose to exile creatures, my line of play would have been GftT to bait out the emblem counter, made enormous mana with Coffers, then drop Lifeline, Ashnod's Altar, and Meteor Golem, followed by Animate Dead and Reanimate on Kokusho and Gary, and then loop with Lifeline/Altar to close out the game.
I definitely had a blast tonight. I played against two people I never met, made some good friendships, and I'm looking forward to playing more. I'm really glad the second game went the way it did. It played out beautifully.
1 month ago
All right. I'm not going to go into detail on cards to add unless you ask, but I am going to link one of my fairly similar decks at the bottom. I am going to focus on cuts.
But before we get to that, I'd like to address a couple glaring issues.
Your mana curve is devastatingly high. You are going to be playing nothing until turn 3 most of the time and that does not fly in commander. You should have your engine set up, or at least have a decent board state by turn 4. A lot of decks spend the first turns ramping and turn 4 is when shit begins. Your deck is looking more like turn 6.
Your deck has too much goodstuff to establish a reliable engine. There are a lot of cards here that really don't contribute to the theme. They're good, sure, but they could be better used in other decks and they could also be replaced with a card more applicable to your deck's theme.
Also you have VERY few cards that put counters on other creatures. I count 6. Note that that is just cards that place counters, not double them or add. I see a lot of circumstances where you have a proliferate effect or a counter doubler but have counters on maybe 2 creatures, and only because those creatures entered the battlefield with counters. You have a low creature count and most of them will either cost a lot of mana because they have an , or they don't place counters at all.
Now that that's out of the way, down to cuts.
Altered Ego is not that good. I mean it's not bad but it's pretty overcosted and it is downright awful in the early game.
Beast Whisperer is not going to be drawing you many cards, with a meager 26 creatures in the deck.
Hooded Hydra is also fairly overcosted, though it's not as bad as many other cards in the deck.
Laboratory Maniac is BAD, unless you're drawing enough cards to deck yourself out, and if you are then it'll probably get shot down and you'll lose the game. Not only that, but you will never deck yourself out because you would totally die first.
Lifeblood Hydra is either very overcosted, or it's not gonna die. For my reasoning, consider the curve. You cast it at 4 mana, it's a 1/1. Cast it at 5 and it's a 2/2. Cast for 6 and it's a 3/3. I would say that a 4/4 for 7 mana with that ability is BARELY worth it and anything bigger than 7/7 (10 mana) is not going to easily die. Do you want this to stick around? If so, it's overcosted. Do you want it to die? If so, still overcosted. It could stick around for a couple turns, eat a big attack IF an opponent is playing voltron and the voltron doesn't have trample, flying, or unblockable, and then die. That is the only use I could see for it.
Overbeing of Myth is goodstuff and not really all that good unless you have unlimited hand size.
Tatyova, Benthic Druid is great but this is not a deck that can take advantage of its power.
Walking Ballista doesn't seem like a ton of value. It can ping down a small creature or two but with very, VERY few cards that consistently provide counters to creatures it won't last long.
Fuel for the Cause is just plain bad. First of all it's a 4-mana counterspell. A 3-mana counterspell is pushin it but 4?? That means you're leaving 4 mana up HOPING to get something worth countering, rather than playing another spell every turn. Not only that but how many of your dudes have counters on them cuz most of them either enter with counters or aren't going to get them.
Darksteel Reactor is laughably slow.
Elixir of Immortality is a confusing addition. What does it do? Do you play against mill often? I will repeat that you are NEVER drawing enough cards to deck out before someone kills you.
Lux Cannon is also laughably slow.
Death's Presence is a good removal failsafe, but it costs a lot of mana and your creatures aren't dying in combat. So unless your opponents are packing a fair amount of removal this isn't doing a lot of work.
Rite of Replication and Spitting Image are bad because they DON'T copy counters (love the tricksy idea with Toothy tho), so whatever you're copying is probably an opponent's creature or one of few creatures you control that DON'T have in their costs.
Garruk, Caller of Beasts is super bad. His + is likely not to hit anything in such a creature-light deck, his - is equally bad. His ult is insane but you'll never get there because insane ults draw hate. Your opponents would just kill him.
Jace, Unraveler of Secrets is not great here. His + is fantastic but has nothing to do with the theme. His - is fairly weak. His ult is also a game winner, but once again, the opponents would just kill him.
Kiora, the Crashing Wave is bad in this deck. + is bad, - is decent but unreliable, and ult is kinda strong but not anything crazy and it would take a bit to get there.
Nissa, Vital Force has nothing to do with this deck. Her + isn't bad, but her - is and her ult is not gonna do you a whole pile of good.
Nissa, Voice of Zendikar is not bad here, but there are much better places she could be.
Here's my relatively similar deck, if you'd like to take a look.
Commander / EDH
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1 month ago
Not to try and steer you in any particular direction, but I feel if I were building this deck i'd be doing something like. It probably looks quite a bit different to what you're actually after, but might give you some more ideas to play around with.
3x Augury Owl
4x Gilder Bairn
3x Mystic Snake
4x Turn to Mist
Some reasoning behind what I've done: Mystic Snake and Nulltread Gargantuan seem good but having 4 of each seem a bit too many. Tempest Caller seems to me at least like a pretty poor 4-drop (considering this turn you'll want to be either dropping a walker or holding up counter-magic). Metallic Mimic is great and combos with Animation Module greatly (if you name servo) for as many servos as you can afford each turn. Also helps spread around some love - though you could also name Druid, Snake, or Bird for a degree of value. Rishkar, Peema Renegade seems like a great include to give you the ramp you will soo badly need. I didn't think Elvish Pioneer cut the mustard so I ditched him. I threw in Judge's Familiar instead as it seems to give you more control options, and slow your opponent down.
Paradise Mantle seems great for this deck as not only giving you some easy mana ramp for creatures that you don't really want to be attacking with, but also gives Gilder Bairn a free way to tap without needing to attack!
Your existing instants seemed a bit slow so I figured Turn to Mist could be more useful as far as costing less mana, but also being able to be used on opponents creatures in times of need. as a backup, 2 copies of Illusionist's Stratagem will give you some late-game card draw. Finally I added a 3rd Planeswalker to the mix (reducing the others down to 3-ofs each) so that you have better odds of having multiple walkers down at a time. Nissa is also great for pumping the army while also creating blockers for stall. I think ideally there'd just be 2 of each Kiora, to make way for 2-of a 4th walker, but not sure which one fits the theme best.
1 month ago
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Since I can't seem to try & contact someone, I'll just state I'm planning to update my Superfriends Deck. However, I actually have a slightly differing path this time:
Some Planeswalkers' will be replaced w/ a card of similar Loyalty Ability...
Jace, Unraveler of Secrets = "A Banned Card"
Angrath, the Flame-Chained for Graveyard Abuse.
Liliana, the Necromancer = quite some decent stuff!)
Ral, Caller of Storms = Card Advantage, & then some...
Djeru, With Eyes Open = it tutors for walkers!
Thalia's Lancers = Search for any Legendary!
There are several others I'll mention later on. I'd like some opinions about these. & yes, I'd like a card that can copy a card twice for stuff like this.
Also, just so I don't depend on Ultimates alone, I'd like some suggestions for Planeswalkers Combo utilizing Loyalty abilities; and no, using The Chain Veil doesn't count... Good luck! :) & I'll be updating my other decks as well if anyone cares...
1 month ago
Well ULT on Kiora, the Crashing Wave is a game winner too unless your opponent can take care of a 9/9 every turn. Low loyalty but looks useful vs light creature decks. Also ULT a turn earlier after dropping if that matters, but comes out a turn later
1 month ago
I always liked Kiora, the Crashing Wave think she'd be fun in a control shell. her low loyalty is rough but might work in this. Could be fun to test
Depending on the meta i think Liliana, the Last Hope would probably be better in the side
Unmoored Ego could be a fun side deck card.
I'm also going to suggest you look at Hostage Taker Just because i love this card and happy 99% of the time i see it