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Avacyn's Pilgrim Discussion
6 days ago
NOTE: This is a topic regarding cEDH Boros. If you think there is no hope for it, do NOT post on this. (The Bold should be warning enough...)
After trying to cut some stuff to 100 for some things, I realized, there is some others to do regarding one deck:
Commander / EDH*
SCORE: 4 | 58 COMMENTS | 583 VIEWS | IN 1 FOLDER
I previously wanted this to be Tier 3, as one joke cEDH deck (Depala, of all things.), did this. But this is a serious attempt by all means. That said, I'll mention some things worth note to get at least just a little bit closer to my goal:
- Red Elemental Blast, or Pyroplast?
Both of their most recent prints state their abilities differently. Pyroblast has:
Choose one — • Counter target spell if it's blue. • Destroy target permanent if it's blue.
Red Elemental Blast?
Choose one — • Counter target blue spell. • Destroy target blue permanent.
This seems written differently; but I dunno how this is different from the others. Regardless, cEDH usually smiles upon . So I'll leave it to you to decide...
This is a biggie. One person not known for cEDH believes this is a real dud of a wincon. But I'd like some opinions o this. If this really does suck, at least that's 3 cuts so far. Aside from this, Grand Abolisher does wonders here.
This is new as I found that Magistrate's Scepter is just one target for counters; something I know FOR A FACT Boros is NOT good at in the slightest (There, a minus. See? I can agree w/ you too. 0-^) Prototype Portal can imprint any artifact; which can range from an infinite mana via Lotus Petal, or Infinite Turns w/ Ugin's Nexus. Problem? I have little to nothing to destroy the copy is opposed to exiling it. Plus, this is quite expensive; but I don't want to use Final Fortune + Sundial of the Infinite loops; they can be disrupted; besides, this is the only option left (Gonti's Aether Heart is more expensive anyway.). Bonus points for infinite mana in case Ugin's Nexus is a skip. I'll let you decide.
- How the bloody devil is Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite a staple?!
I'm confused about this; happy, but confused. Usually stuff lower than 3 CMC would be fine; but one cEDH Staples lists actually lists her on the main list. runs Dorks, & so few even reach a 3+ toughness. Should I get rid of her for CMC's sake? or should I keep her as a Gamekiller?
W/ so many doing stuff outside of Lifeloss/lifegain, this should be very important to note as others would either Self-Mill via Laboratory Maniac, Maze's End a game, basically put; Wincons that don't depend on Life Total. So, should I put in stuff like these, Goblin Chainwhirler, or other things that can kill life totals? Otherwise, I at least have Altar of the Brood to mill everyone else... XP
After knowing about creatures outside of that can produce Mana, I decided Neheb, the Eternal is no longer enough (It actually requires Damage dealing to make it work; so, I'm thinking of cutting him; considering nobody really wants to damage anyways.). While I could flicker [Farrelite Priest]] & make her new, w/o previous memory, I want to leave it to you; w/ so much Devotion to , Should I rather increase the amount of Plains & decrease the number of Mountains? (I have Blood Moon Anyway...). If she is crap to you, I want to know why; I cannot run Avacyn's Pilgrim you know.
Yes, I get it. Tamiyo's Journal is the only Target of this inspector. That said, Tamiyo's Journal can search for anything. Problem? One target. Not consistent enough, & nobody is recommending a card like Tamiyo's Journal that can also work on its own... Ideas are welcome.
This combo came to me in the form of an Epiphany. After I blow up all lands, I can flicker Fiend Hunter exiling Sun Titan to bring all my lands back; yes, this is possible. Since Lands are 0CMC Permanents, I can bring them all back to my side. even a combo like this can't be stopped by the next part of this charade...
Some of the best cards in this deck so far. It promotes a Prison-Lock for all Graveyards in play. Since this deck should be able to have effects that bypass both of these; I just want to know what to cut due to these...
- I still need an explanation for Rule of Law/Eidolon of Rhetoric + Possibility Storm + Knowledge Pool.
This also applies to what I can use for Arcane Laboratory in . This combo has been looked up, but I dunno how it'll work here... It should be useful, but I dunno if it's cEDH competitive or not; much less how it works. If this is good both ways, I'm keeping them. At least tell me how it works, please...
- Squee Sucks?
Squee, the Immortal + Goblin Bombardment was meant to be used as a combo here. But since this uses Eldrazi Displacer to flicker ETB/CIP Creatures, I'm thinking of cutting the former 2 unless I can find a card that mimics Displacer's effect, so I don't have to have just one of such effect to waste... Felidar Guardian?
- The Emancipation Proclamation NEVER happened...
Emancipation Angel is something not to be cross with. She can return any permanent you control to your hand. Simple as that. Since it's an ETB ability, Eldrazi Displacer can bounce her, & she can do this again. If you want a list of Creatures in my deck that are ETB/CIP based, SUGOI! LET'S KICK As- Captain Janeway: Asteroids. Seven of Nine: Fun will now commence.
(Yes. I LITERALLY pulled off a Star Trek: Voyager.)
Duergar Hedge-Mage Fiend Hunter Goblin Chainwhirler Goblin Settler Imperial Recruiter Mentor of the Meek Mikaeus, the Lunarch Priest of Urabrask Recruiter of the Guard Solemn Simulacrum Sun Titan Thraben Inspector Village Bell-Ringer Wall of Omens Wily Goblin
(Damn, that's a lot... I need to lessen the lot...)
- No Paradox Engine? What the crap?
Paradox Engine is the only thing I have to Isochron Scepter imprinting Dramatic Reversal, so it NEEDS to stay; plus, I could've sworn it was a staple here... While this has quite some ETB/CIP effects, that doesn't have to mean things can't be cast either. Even stuff like Sunforger when casting instants are still considered cast. Even Mistveil Plains can bring them back. I really just wanted to throw in Reito Lantern, though; but cards like Grafdigger's Cage might mess w/ it; so it's now a skip.
- Stax on STACKS on [email protected]
Recently, I wanted to take this deck to a differing route; Value Town/Stax/Prison. This in turn meant a lot of stuff; Glowrider, Thorn of Amethyst (How fitting as it's my birthstone; but I still hated how STEVEN UNIVERSE personified her as a character since the beginning... :/), Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Vryn Wingmare, Ethersworn Canonist, Kismet, even Sphere of Resistance is damn good here. While a lot would think stuff like this is crap here, even stuff like Stranglehold, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Grand Abolisher, even Ugin's Nexus & Defense Grid are all great here. Irony? Many wouldn't see all this as competitive enough. So, w/ all that said, one last thing...
- Any ideas for a new CMDR?
Alright, we're almost done with what might be my longest post here ever... I've been thinking for the longest time; I need a new commander; Gisela, Blade of Goldnight is too much now. Since I took the liberty to change from Stax/Control (Or Value Town/Stax? I dun remember...) to Value Town/Stax/Prison. From there, I decided to make a change of CMDR. But there were bigger flaws w/ most, so I decided to make some regulations:
- No Tier 5 CMDRs.
- No Tribal Commanders (Stuff like Depala, Pilot Exemplar apply here.)
- Partners are only Allowed if not from BBD (Battlebond) (Khorvath Brightflame + Sylvia Brightspear for instance is not allowed.)
- Equipment/Aura Based CMDRS are out; I don't have any of that anyway...
I guess this is alright? The reason I left out 5. It must be Aggro Based is, well, the rest of the Tier 4s w/o only counting none of them.
Now I leave all this to you: What should I cut for a legit Tier 3 cEDH deck? I apologize for the Mammoth Sized Text, but it should be worth the effort.
I am open to Constructive Criticism only. I hope this is of good help for what is worth of help to me. I'll let you decide on my fate on this deck now.
6 days ago
Wall of text Imminent,
Hello, I've been playing cEDH for a while now as i Don' have a karador deck have planned on making one but know metas pretty well. Now I will be generalizing Metas I see and know from experience playing against various types of cEDh decks. First on your lands I think 38 is a few too many i play The Gitrog Monster with 33-36 lands (depending on the cuts i Make). The extra mana producing lands like Ancient Tomb are good generally so those are fine to keep in. However buddy lands like Woodland Cemetery can end up holding you back from an explosive first turn. Finally the Last land is Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth This will help storm decks that require specific colors to be tapped otherwise they will peter out due to not being able to cast the right spells they may draw into but that will allow them to use any mana they want for black. Your creature base is good and you have the boonweaver combo naturally but you are missing creature ramp besides the Birds of Paradise and Elves of Deep Shadow you are already using, such as Avacyn's Pilgrim Llanowar Elves Fyndhorn Elves and Elvish Mystic. They give 1 mana for 1 mana even though they dont have instant gratification due to summoning sickness they are still good and vital for a turn two Buried Alive to setup the combo depending on your hand. Now for answers in your creature base the numbe rone thing working against is graveyard hate like Rest in Peace run in stax and especially zur stax Nihil Spellbomb run in storm decks like Kess, Dissident Mage and Zur the Enchanter which is just to name a few. So we need an answer and yes spells work just fine but we are playing a reanimate deck so something that we can get back in case we need another answer is nice. Thus bring me too Caustic Caterpillar and Reclamation Sage while i would suggest the first the later works well too just two more mana to cost or get with Green Sun's Zenith. I believe you have a good choice in enchantments However Phyrexian Arena is a Little slow in our format I would consider cutting it for something like Dark Confidant due to it being cheaper and faster even though it may hurt more. Also In the case of your combo pieces being exiled due to a mill effect or general graveyard hate I would suggest adding insurance known as Pull from Eternity and Riftsweeper. For artifact ramp I think it wouldn't hurt to add Golgari Signet Selesnya Signet and Orzhov Signet for color fixing as well as netting one mana after activation. as well as cutting Chromatic Lantern due to it being 3 mana and you having plenty of dual lands in your deck. Also adding Green Sun's Zenith and Arbor Elf for a turn one two land play is quite nice as well as it acting as a tutor for another creature. I'm not gonna touch too much on your spells since Im not too familiar with how good things like Cataclysm are in your cedh play group or how it acts in general it seems good on paper but i can't say but adding Noxious Revival would be good since its a free instant that allows you to before your turn put a combo piece that got countered or destroyed on top of your library to draw it for turn to recast. This way you don't have to just rely on a six drop aka Sun Titan alone to get those back for you.
1 week ago
Hey, the 13+ cards to consider cutting:
- Collective Blessing
- True Conviction
- Hornet Queen
- Trostani's Summoner
- Bow of Nylea
- Loxodon Warhammer
- Fracturing Gust
- Druid's Deliverance
- Dawn of Hope
- Boon Reflection
- Increasing Devotion
- Intangible Virtue
- Martial Coup
- March of the Multitudes
- Trostani Discordant
- Sigarda, Host of Herons
- Growing Rites of Itlimoc
- Cryptolith Rite
In my opinion I think big 3/3-5/5+ tokens are better with Trostani than little 1/1 tokens especially since there's a life gaining theme here. Consider cutting the little token strategy and anthems that help little tokens? You don't need the five and six drop anthems with big tokens/creatures instead play more big creatures who have more interaction with Trostani. Anthems that aren't creatures are less good with Trostani, anthems that are creatures (Thunderfoot, Stonehoof, Elesh, etc.) at least gain you life when they ETB, they are more valuable.
The other high mana cost creatures I suggest playing are ones that make big tokens when they ETB, when they die or can be a repeatable source of big token creation (Armada, Wurmcoil, Baloths, Thragtusk, Processor, Convergence, etc.). Processor is especially nasty with Trostani; making a huge token every turn, gaining a lot of life and populating the huge token. Consider more ramp to make it easier to cast big creatures, more impactful big creatures and draw that has interaction with big tokens/creatures?
Cards to consider adding:
- Phyrexian Processor
- Greater Good
- Elvish Mystic
- Llanowar Elves
- Avacyn's Pilgrim
- Sakura-Tribe Elder
- Selesnya Signet
- Talisman of Unity
- Eternal Witness
- Rampaging Baloths
- Thunderfoot Baloth
- Stonehoof Chieftain
- Fortified Village
- Scattered Groves
Good luck with your deck.
2 weeks ago
I was actually running Apprentice Necromancer for awhile, I always felt that it was a bit too slow. In addition my meta is super heavy on graveyard hate, in your perspective would you still consider running Apprentice Necromancer?
As for Avacyn's Pilgrim I am in a bit of a dilemma in what I would cut for it, as I been running into a bit more white since the re-inclusion of Fiend Hunter and Silence/Angel's Grace tech. Boreal Druid I would not include due to heavy color requirements.
2 weeks ago
I am surprised you don't run Apprentice Necromancer, a way to bring a discarded Academy Rector or Protean Hulk out, and sacrifice it for like 3 mana. With Survival of the Fittest and any random creature in hand, you could discard it for a Hulk, discard the Hulk for the Necromancer, and then bring back the hulk+sacrifice it with the Necromancer. One card combo (2 if you include the discarded creature card.)
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
Hey, looks really good for a first Commander deck even though you used another deck as inspiration that's fine, you've still made it your own.
I suggest including more low mana cost cards that can interact with Emmara, giving you more opportunity to tap her to make a token as well as use her as mana ramp.
Budget cards to consider:
- Command Tower
- Survivors' Encampment
- Holdout Settlement
- Springleaf Drum
- Smuggler's Copter
- Honor-Worn Shaku
- Nature's Chosen
- Mirror Entity
- Trostani Discordant
- Avenger of Zendikar
- Llanowar Elves
- Avacyn's Pilgrim
- Canopy Vista
- Sunpetal Grove
- Temple Garden
Other budget cards to consider:
- Seeker of Skybreak
- Nullmage Shepherd
- Awakening Zone
- Beast Within
- Swords to Plowshares
- Sundering Growth
- Eladamri's Call
Cards to consider cutting:
- Perilous Forays
- Pollenbright Wings
- Broken Bond
- Emmara Tandris
- Beast Whisperer
- Tolsimir Wolfblood
- Trostani's Summoner
- Rampaging Baloths
- Arcane Encyclopedia
- Bramble Sovereign
- Crown of Convergence
- Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage
- Ranger's Path
- Aura of Silence
2 weeks ago
Knight of Autumn Nylea's Colossus Aura Shards Alms Collector Avacyn's Pilgrim Llanowar Elves Elvish Mystic Fyndhorn Elves Boreal Druid Birds of Paradise Arbor Elf Utopia Sprawl Gift of Paradise Urban Utopia Ramunap Excavator Fierce Empath