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For each creature your opponents control, put a 4/4 green beast creature token onto the battlefield. Each of those Beasts fights a different one of those creatures.
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Ezuri's Predation Discussion
1 week ago
1 month ago
So this is both a decent start and has a long way to go. While I don't have many specific card cuts to recommend to you, I can point you in a general direction for you to go, as well as a bunch of cards that might help you...
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Some issues I see with the deck Show
- Not enough Evasion. While your creatures might be large, very few of them have trample, flying, unblockable, landwalk, etc. This means that against any deck that makes tokens (Which is a LOT of them), you will have a VERY hard time actually killing them.
- Not enough removal. I know that UG tends to be very light in removal, but it is still VERY important. While you have a couple removal spells, mass removal is still very useful.
- Not enough protection. Similar to your removal spells, you have very few ways to protect your own creatures. Being able to protect your own beefy creatures is important in commander when there are so many opponents and having a large number of cards in your hand paints a large target upon your back.
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In general, these cards are either too clunky, too expensive (cost wise), have strictly better versions, or don't push your game plan forward.
Hopefully some amount of this will help! You're allready at the deck being only $90 so you're pretty close! Good luck!
1 month ago
Dictate of Erebos might be good here. Also, in my opinion, you need more token generation unless you intend to sac your other actual creatures. Things like Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder or Fungal Sprouting. If you do want to sacrifice your other actual creatures, Caller of the Claw or Fresh Meat might be a good pick. Emrakul's Evangel may also be something that interests you. If you have enough mana ramp, you could attempt putting in something like Ezuri's Predation or Death Mutation. You may also like Feed the Pack.
1 month ago
Alright, this will probably be my last batch until new (non-Un)cards get spoiled. Since the deck seems to be in a state of what I recently learned is called Pareto optimality (https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pareto-romantic), in the sense that most cards fill an important role that makes it difficult to exchange them for something too different without breaking the deck, and the alternatives within the same niches tend to either miss some important feature or are too (meta-)conditional... which brings me to the cards:
Spinerock Knoll/Windbrisk Heights/Mosswort Bridge: compromises your ramp a bit for some conditional card advantage. The conditions for casting the card should pop up fairly frequently in this deck. Also has some minor synergy with Oracle of Mul Daya by letting you pseudo-scry away an inappropriate topdeck card
Nature's Will: Like giving each of your creatures a Sword of Feast and Famine, kind of. Also hates on the local counterspell/Leyline of Anticipation user. I like it because it ties together the deck's land subtheme & beatdown
Misc/weird token generators
Stormfront Riders: Potentially repeatably recast ETB dorks, letting you get a bit more mileage out them, while getting some extra tokens. As a bonus, if you let the creature itself stay on the battlefield it'll complement Teferi's Protection by providing another source of resiliency vs Cyclonic Rift
Ezuri's Predation: Another mass removal option that also happens to synergize with token gifting, but a bit unreliable because it can't kill fatties without the Beasts being boosted by other cards
(Genesis Chamber): Low cmc and ties into the group slug theme, but the deck can't abuse it too hard in its current state
(Beacon of Creation): Green Sun's distant and less successful relative
(Snake Pit): Obviously heavily meta-dependent but could be very nice in the right group
Potential Queen Ant replacements
(Night Soil): Low cmc, low activation cost and graveyard hate to boot, but meta-dependent.
Twilight Drover: More (flying) tokens per mana than the Queen. Synergizes with the token gifting and also Skullclamp. It should get counters pretty reliably throughout people's turns, but otherwise Curse of Predation and, to a greater extent, Orzhov Advokist makes it a bit more reliable. (Also tutorable with the Recruiters.)
Ulasht, the Hate Seed: More immediate alternative to Twilight Drover. A decent chunk of the deck will give it initial counters via color (although only Dragon Broodmother generates multiple gruul tokens for double counters) and it can use the same two cards as the Drover to refill its ammo. The damage ability provides some backup point removal which is hard to have too much of, and as a very cute bonus it synergizes with Hornet Nest by letting you ping it at the end of each turn for an extra value token, assuming the Nest isn't already damaged. (Even cuter is the fact that toughness-boosting cards like Mirari's Wake & Mirror Entity will increase the maximum amount of value tokens you can get per turn.) (Also tutorable with the Recruiters.)
(Sigarda, Heron's Grace): Again, meta-dependent. Aside from yourself and its own tokens, it gives hexproof to eight cards in the current deck. Even with Knight of the Reliquary sacrificing lands, I dunno if you put enough cards in your graveyard that you don't want to recur later to make this worthwhile. (Although it should be noted that the graveyard cards don't have to be creatures.) Body-wise I'd say 1 less power for flying is a good deal
1 month ago
So as to stop competing with the other cubes in the area (we have powered, pauper, eternal and C/U) I've decided to turn my cube into a frontier cube. This means only cards since M15, which gives me 14 sets to work with.
I could expand this to only frontier bordered cards, such as those from the Commander sets, as it gives access to some powerful interesting creatures that support archetypes I want to develop. For example Akiri, Line-Slinger is a powerful interesting card with a somewhat build around me ability who could go well in the RW Cars archetype, or powerful game ending spells like Ezuri's Predation for ramp archetypes.
I am also thinking about this as having archetype support and cross over. So for example, the R/B archetype is steal and sacrifice. W/B is tokens. R/W is cars. So there is some obvious cross over, such as the token decks being able to use sacrifice outlets for extra value if they are getting multiple small creatures from 1 card,
So here is what I have and the sort of level I want in terms of power level, would value your opinions. I am not having planeswalkers except the origin flip walkers due to power level and the recent move away from burn spells going face to deal with walkers and to creatures.
W/U: UW Flyers with a Dragon subtheme. There are a lot of decent U/W flyer cards and there is always an option to go aggro with something like favourable winds , backed up with recent flyers from other colours. The dragons are more control finishers and enable some synergistic cards such as Orator of Ojutai or similar. The two sort of signalling uncommons I intend to have are
U/B: U/B Artifacts, with a bit of a treasure subtheme. Deadeye Plunderers and Tezzeret's Touch as signalling uncommons. If I do decide to go into commander packs and stuff Baleful Strix is a control and artifact deck option.
B/R: Steal and Sacrifice with Makeshift Munitions and Ruthless Knave as signalling cards. There is also an option to try something like a R/B Vampires/madness deck but that has less cross faction synergy.
R/G: Land based ramp. I'm struggling to find uncommons that support this as well as the others as they tend to just be big vanilla beaters, but Raging Swordtooth is probably there as he punishes you for playing mana dorks.
G/W: I am not 100% on this one, it could be a G/W counters deck or G/W Humans but I'm not sure.
B/G: I'm not sure on this either. I'm thinking a G/B Elves deck which can be beat down or ramp using stuff like Shaman of the Pack to drain or the mana dorks to drop some big bomb like Ulamog or a gear hulk. There is also stuff like Constrictor for counter manipulation that has synergy with energy and stuff but I'm unsure how good it is?
G/U: I'm tempted by energy as there is a lot of semi decent energy generation and payoff cards like Hydra which are OK on their own but really good with enough energy production. However this means generically good stuff like Glint-Sleeve Siphoner might make people blur and expect more pay off in black than that one card.
U/R: Raid/aggro with a pirate subtheme/pay off cards. I'm concerned though that they may not be enough pirates or hint at it being 3 coloured for me to include Fathom Fleet Captain which is good in tokens or in a generic aggro deck.
R/W: Cars! Renegade Wheelsmith and Veteran Motorist are both aggressive and play well with cars. There is some concern though about them being too generically good and making the R/W player fight too hard.
So folks, your thoughts?
2 months ago
Yeah mana dorks have a short lifespan against those kinds of decks. If you still want more ramp you can focus more on cards like Khalni Heart Expedition, Explosive Vegetation, Skyshroud Claim, and Ranger's Path which all get 2x lands into play at once. I know its expensive in paper but Mana Reflection is like the most amazing mana producing card ever. And a few more ideas Kessig Cagebreakers, Nacatl War-Pride and Ezuri's Predation are interesting token cards. Oooh yeah if you want to really go nuts, use Clever Impersonator or Mirage Mirror to copy fun things like Doubling Season :)
2 months ago
Thanks, Uskebasi! Curse of the Swine just takes a blue effect and puts it on an X spell, and despite how wrath-like Ezuri's Predation is, making tokens and fighting are green. Bazaar Trader shows that making players gain control of your things can be red too. The only effect in existence similar to Reality Twist is on an artifact (Naked Singularity), so I really don't know where in the color pie that's supposed to lie. Most of the others I agree with, though.
3 months ago
Some cards I found:
Harmless Offering is a colorshifted Donate, Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs could be white, Molten Influence is a "counterspell" in red, Measure of Wickedness should be probably red, Dragonmaster Outcast is a creature that rewards your ramp and I feel he could be green, Stromgald Spy looks at target player's hand and could be blue, Treacherous Urge, Enslave and Ritual of the Machine are threaten/control magic effects in black, The Great Aurora and Ezuri's Predation are wraths in green, Bellowing Tanglewurm has a black keyword, Curse of the Swine is mass removal with exile in blue, Primal Order is direct damage in green, Mana Vortex and Land Equilibrium are land destruction in blue, Web of Inertia is a strange pillowfort card and graveyard hoser in blue, Concordant Crossroads gives haste in green (???), Oath of Lieges ramps in white, Spoils of War gives +1/+1 counters in black, Touch of Darkness is colorshifting in black, Infernal Genesis gives everybody tokens in black, Countryside Crusher should probably be Golgari, Mana Flare is a mana doubler in red (????), Dreams of the Dead is creature recursion in blue, Reality Twist is ???, Imprisoned in the Moon is straight up removal in blue, Icy Prison is a political Oblivion Ring in blue, Not Forgotten is a green effect, Stunted Growth discards cards from opponent's hand in green...