|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Printings View all
|Commander 2016 (C16)||Mythic Rare|
|Gatecrash (GTC)||Mythic Rare|
Combos Browse all
Creature — Dragon
Whenever Hellkite Tyrant deals combat damage to a player, gain control of all artifacts that player controls.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control twenty or more artifacts, you win the game.
Price & Acquistion Set Price Alerts
|Have (33)||rebelteddybear , zachi , Justinaut , clayperce , Psycheretic , Pelli , bradyofportdetroit , NOGzFTW , johnsongrantr , xXThormentXx , Kvothe1115 , Friedrice24 , Famicomania , Lucretian , Vasbear1 , Fullmetalmage , snackeater , Candyman949 , twistedmage , Jpegwun , Xunfor6iv3nX , , NixterFenix , philktoken8998 , VoidCaster113 , Razulghul , mziter501 , Spinalripper , Swamy , MattN7498 , rakdos24 , awalloftext , redlegs_17|
|Want (2)||Riders_of_Brohan , darthnuchi|
Hellkite Tyrant Discussion
1 day ago
Not sure of your budget, but here are some suggestion.
Alternative to Combo Win-Cons
The standard win-con in a Kaalia of the Vast which is not a combo is... Land Destruction! The idea being to use card's like Boros Charm, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, Teferi's Protection to protect yourself; OR have an A/D/D in hand that you can free cast that demands a response, but is hard to deal with no lands, like Hellkite Tyrant or Iona, Shield of Emeria. The key cards to this strategy are: Crucible of Worlds, Armageddon, Ravages of War, Cataclysm, Strip Mine, Waste land, Command Beacon. This is a HIGHLY viable strategy, people may not like facing your Kaalia of the Vast deck, but it definitely isn't a combo strategy.
Master of Cruelties has to be in there, attack with Kaalia of the Vast, drop in Master of Cruelties, during the declare blockers step their life becomes 1 (assuming he is unblocked), and Kaalia of the Vast hits for 2 finishing the player. Not a combo, a necessary Demon.
Another common strategy is multiple attack phases, non-combo, but with big A/D/D beaters, having multiple swings (especially with Vigilance is amazing way to deal damage). The key cards are: Hellkite Charger, Aggravated Assault, Sword of Feast and Famine, Aurelia, the Warleader, Seize the Day. There is a combo with Adarkar Valkyrie + Aurelia, the Warleader + sac outlet out of interest. Adarkar Valkyrie although not working properly with the Kaalia of the Vast mechanics, is still a great recursion angel. Reconnaissance is nice for this strategy too, as you can pull back your Kaalia of the Vast against block heavy decks, as well POST-damage, you can pull back EVERYONE, basically it gives all your creatures Vigilance.
Free A/D/D strategy, you have it with Sneak Attack, Quicksilver Amulet, Mimic Vat so your already there, try a Whip of Erebos gives all your creatures Lifelink, which increases your sustainability in drawn out games (non-combo strategy the only way to win is in a drawn-out game), plus give you another recursion engine. Could use a Sundial of the Infinite to keep them on the board permanently!!
Stranglehold is another good control mechanism, you have a few, can look at pairing it with Maralen of the Mornsong to lock down opponents draw. She has synergy with some other guys like Aven Mindcensor/Ob Nixilis, Unshackled. Eidolon of Rhetoric might stop a Sunforger cast depending on what you did earlier that turn, like a Haste Kaalia of the Vast for example, to consider, or in an Armageddon build will be very bad.
Out of the 99 Considerations
I'm not a huge fan of Reverberate/Shunt, you have Sunforger so I get it, but it will often just sit in your hand. And Kaalia of the Vast is usually splash , so not that valuable. Would rather have a Steel Hellkite or a Gisela, the Broken Blade, or heck, even a Wild Ricochet
Solemn Simulacrum really unnecessary land searching. Use mana-enablers instead.
Boros Garrison/Orzhov Basilica I find it too slow without infinite combo, although it ramps, but you have lots of mana enablers. Field of Ruin colorless mana isn't great, don't need the search. Flamekin Village cost is too high, tapped+, try a Hall of the Bandit Lord. Shadowblood Ridge is also not great (I know it seems like it should be, but it's not!), Slayers' Stronghold is too expensive , use Hanweir Battlements instead, but even then it's borderline (but better), Smoldering Marsh isn't going to come in untapped when you need it, Temple of Malice/Temple of Silence I also don't like, but borderline for me would be my last cuts, Vivid Meadow is no.
Earnest Fellowship I wouldn't do this, might make it hard for you to block (which you have the big creatures that are hard to block already). A little too dangerous for my liking, let opponents pump their creatures, no need to do it for them, and block with your big guys.
Devoted Caretaker I wish she provided protection period so could go unblockable. I think Mother of Runes is enough, but maybe theres someone that gives just protection and doesn't cost a and ? But it does permanents, so I get it.
Kothophed, Soul Hoarder will not be your friend some days during board wipe, but with so little drawing in Mardu, he's a fun one! I would run him in this type of build!
Sun Titan is questionable, what are you bringing back? Lightning Greaves, Sunforger, Animate Dead, Necromancy only stuff. He's discretionary. High Mana cost but utility, he can combo with Fiend Hunter but again combos a different strategy (so can Karmic Guide btw).
Right now, your 46%, 33%, 21% but your mana is 28%, 37%, 35%. In addition, Turn 1: 80%, 10%, 10%! / lands will be your best friends, but balancing / and / lands too. Avoid / that don't provide value, like Mountain, Shadowblood Ridge (awful), Smoldering Marsh, Temple of Malice.
Demonic Tutor doesn't get much better than that! Mortify can be a good utility removal the CMC3 makes it less attractive, Vampiric Tutor although inefficient to pull a Lightning Greaves or Gisela, Blade of Goldnight is still good enough. It's instant so at EOT pull what you need. Rakdos the Defiler can be fun in a Armageddon model. Fetid Heath/Rugged Prairie are not too shabby. Sensei's Divining Top can help look and top-deck the A/D/D you need, IF you have none in hand it can swap places so you don't miss Kaalia of the Vast drops. Cavern of Souls against Grixis/Izzet, Phyrexian Reclamation can keep you rolling once you run out of cards-in-hand, an alternate quasi-draw.
Very good Kaalia of the Vast non-combo deck, looks like a blast to play. Hopefully you found some of these ramblings useful.
2 days ago
Karn, Silver Golem also combos with Mycosynth Lattice to destroy a lot of your opponents' lands, and Hellkite Tyrant can steal all of an opponent's stuff and wins if you have enough artifacts. Indomitable Creativity could also be helpful for removal and upgrading your own artifacts/creatures.
3 days ago
Well at a glance I can see that you have only two creatures below 4 CMC and they're Birds of Paradise and Urborg Elf, so depending on what kind of decks you play against, that might be an issue.
Is mana/ramp/color fixing a problem you encounter? The three-color tap lands (Jungle Shrine, Mystic Monastery, etc. might be good for you, or perhaps the lairs (Rith's Grove, Treva's Ruins, etc.). Sylvan Caryatid is better than Urborg Elf in that respect. Commander's Sphere is mana and card draw. Oh, Command Tower will help. There's also Cultivate and Rampant Growth, for more Kodama's Reach-type effects.
Also, in 5 colors you have access to all the awesome modal charms like Boros Charm and Naya Charm and Bant Charm (obviously there's a lot of options, but those are some good ones for starters). They offer utility in a very flexible way.
You've got a bunch of cards that kind of want an to do different things. I'd suggest taking a look at what you want your deck's win condition to be and tailor it a bit more towards achieving it specifically. For example, is Revel in Riches an important part of your strategy, because if you aren't going specifically for treasures, there's better ways of fixing your mana. I realize you also have Hellkite Tyrant, so if you play against a lot of Pirate decks, that might actually be a pretty ok strategy.
By the way, your list currently has 2 Cyclonic Rifts.
1 week ago
Hellkite Tyrant could increase the value of your art sub theme.
2 weeks ago
Hey PB80, thanks for checking out my deck and thanks for the suggestions. I definitely made some changes. Although I love Hellkite Tyrant for this deck, I just think it's way too mean for the group I play with, especially since I'm running Scourge of the Throne; they're not gonna know what hit em! But you know, when push comes to shove I'm definitely throwing the Tyrant in there!
2 weeks ago
Hi, I am playing a 5C Scion deck and if you want to play 5C. Land and mana base if everything. But when you focus on 3 and splash 2 it helps a lot. Some lands that can be very useful.
Cheap to buy, do not come into play tapped and you can tap a land before returning it to your hand. Also, yes pain lands are a good cheap option too.
Also if you are interested my deck is called who says 5 is too much? seems a little slow but it has proven very consistent in multiplayers and team events. At our communities and among my friends this is my deck they fear most.
hope it helps