Creature — Dragon
Whenever Hellkite Tyrant deals combat damage to a player, gain control of all artifacts that player controls.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control twenty or more artifacts, you win the game.
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|Want (4)||switch77 , UnitedWeStand , Elmo_the_Elk , Ninbi|
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|Commander 2016 (C16)||Mythic Rare|
|Gatecrash (GTC)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Hellkite Tyrant occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.04%
Hellkite Tyrant Discussion
1 month ago
No worries, but yes generally commander doesn't actually use sideboards or wish lists, but then it is also generally a casual format so you can talk with the other players in your playgroup to see if they're okay with having a "sideboard" to swap things out with. Depending on your group, they may even be okay with you using normally banned cards if you ask them about using them. As long as it's not some kind of official event or some such, then it's not a big deal as long as everyone is okay with it. Communication with your group is always key to a good time!
As for the artifacts and other colorless spells go, as long as the costs don't have the symbol but instead have the numbers in the cost (ex: ) then that's considered "generic mana", which can be paid by any kind of mana regardless of color. Wastes are generally used for very specific cards and abilities, most notably for something like Kozilek, the Great Distortion . In this deck, there isn't anything that requires mana, so the Wastes are kind of... well, wasted. Dual lands and other lands that can give you multiple colored mana are extremely important for any multi-colored deck. It's not bad to have some basic lands, but they can only take you so far without the right ramp cards to bring the colors you need out, and without green that becomes much more difficult. I'd definitely swap in a Command Tower , and given the cost of the deck I'd imagine you shouldn't have trouble tracking down some shock lands like Steam Vents , Watery Grave , etc. as well as maybe some fetch lands like Flooded Strand . Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse are also common in a lot of multi-colored commander decks as well. Exotic Orchard is another good one since chances are you won't be up against only mono-green decks. Since you have access to white, you can also consider the enchantment Smothering Tithe , which is fantastic for ramp and can also play into the artifact theme. Dockside Extortionist is also extremely great for treasures as well.
Also, I know it doesn't give colored mana, but I noticed you don't have Sol Ring included. While it's arguable that not every deck needs it, in a deck where artifacts are a big deal I can't imagine not including such a useful card. A one-drop artifact that gives you two mana and isn't restricted by any colors is so good! I'd definitely consider slotting one in if you can. Some other things you might like are Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain for the card advantage and Hellkite Tyrant to steal your opponents' artifacts as well as give you a nifty alternate wincon!
Anyway, I hope I'm not sounding overly critical. Breya is a cool commander, and I think the deck can have a lot of potential. I'm hoping my suggestions will help you get more out of the deck and help it to be a force to be reckoned with! Best of luck!
1 month ago
Mostly Hellkite Tyrant just steals a bunch of mana rocks and gets removed, but I find that useful enough to keep him in.
I have looked at both Neheb versions, and I decided on Eternal because I don't have to dump cards into him after the combat damage. Call me paranoid, but that time I get Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion out and swinging I'll be looking at two cards in hand. Neheb, the Eternal 's main goal is for Aggravated Assault , so two mana isn't going to cut it. Of course, there are always going to be the exact opposite times where I'm hoping to dump a hand and start fresh, so he could have his uses.
1 month ago
How have you found Hellkite Tyrant to play out in this deck? Just curious if you've ever been able to get the alt win condition to trigger with it.
Any thoughts regarding running Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion instead of or as well as the Eternal version?
1 month ago
You might like these: Knollspine Dragon , Seize the Day , Rogue's Gloves , Not of This World , Rebuff the Wicked , Inspiring Statuary , Grateful Apparition , Metalwork Colossus , Myr Enforcer , Open the Armory , Bludgeon Brawl , Hellkite Tyrant , Lightmine Field , Ephemeral Shields , Chance for Glory , Final Fortune
2 months ago
You might like these: Deserted Temple + Chance for Glory + Angel's Grace (alongside Sunforger, Mistveil Plains, and enough mana, these cards allow you to take infinite turns. Infinite turns! in Boros!), Spellbinder (pretty rad with T's P), Bludgeon Brawl , Sunbond , Cradle of Vitality , Inquisitor's Flail , Sequestered Stash , Scrap Mastery , Open the Vaults , Hellkite Tyrant , Odric, Lunarch Marshal , Bastion Protector , Commander's Insignia , Valduk, Keeper of the Flame , Kemba, Kha Regent , Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor , Brass's Bounty , Prying Blade
2 months ago
This is such a great deck. Really great work.
I really love Hellkite Tyrant as an alternate win condition. What do you think?
4 months ago
Hi again realsoupersand,
Had to fly out to Ottawa, ON in Canada for a bit, so back in action.
50% of the time, I win with my primary win-con, which is Buried Alive + Reanimate , generally between T1-4 depending on how much tutoring and mana ramps I have available. It's CMC4, which happens on T1 occassionally, T2/T3 more realistically.
Karmic Guide is a critical component of that combo, also, yes she is playable with Kaalia of the Vast . Also enables Razaketh, the Foulblooded from the graveyard, and provides for sac/tutor. It's usually never a dead draw, and at CMC5 is still playable from hand, on occasion if the game is going on, and the Protection: with Flying also has assisted occasionally. Other than her obvious CMC as just a recursion tool, she's generally been good, and a requirement for the primary win-con.
Angel of Despair is just a Vindicate for CMC7, its ridiculous and only 5/5 flying. However, it's what I ALWAYS Tainted Pact to when Show and Tell + Omniscience , unless they have Leyline of Anticipation it's "usually" good enough. I can tutor Anguished Unmaking , however, I have to give priority up with an Omniscience on the table, so it's far too late by then. Can also destroy other random threats if needed too. She's borderline for sure. Red Elemental Blast is too slow in this case.
Angelic Arbiter was answering the Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge but now it's always Kess, Dissident Mage . Also for Tooth and Nail type encounters (eg: Craterhoof Behemoth ) or any type of haste/recursion. All together stops a few. I usually just put 1 response to any situation, because I just tutor the exclusive solution needed.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope protects against MLD type situations, but she's not difficult to remove anyway, everyone's removal deals with her no problem. If she buys me an extra turn though, it's worth it. Can also put a player on a turn timer or make them act before prepared (no Force of Will for example), sometimes... Not the strongest for sure. Or like a The Gitrog Monster looping destroy maybe...
Balefire Dragon is again, just to solve specific issues or eliminate high value ground targets. Like the others, Tainted Pact to hand whenever, a situation calls for it. I tried to cut back on creature controls (ex: Damnation ) just because its not a creature world, but often creatures can be enablers.
Baneslayer Angel cut, served no purpose other than lifelink for the Hatred but the CMC5 was too much, and only removed a single opponent. Serra Ascendant T1 "usually" puts enough pressure on 1 player (usually )), who is now on a turn timer, spending life for tutoring becomes harder, and sometimes waste time removing it. Statistically found, I was usually nearly 1 turn earlier to win with Serra Ascendant , plus overcharges me for an early Necropotence or Razaketh, the Foulblooded win or Doom Whisperer win.
Phyrexian Arena is tough, high CMC, no return. It still the second highest played card in commander, and I don't know how else to draw? Mardu is a drawing nightmare. Have to think on it, how to deal with it but agreed, same issue is with Bloodgift Demon . I've had Skyline Despot recommended has a same turn impact (draw at EOT), but also, might be ramping oppponents draw too, especially if I have no way to reconnect on attack as Skyline Despot doesn't have trample.
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight has the added benefit of removing 1-damage win-cons like Impact Tremors , Blasting Station , Goblin Bombardment , Dragon Tempest (with 1 dragon), Etc... Also puts pressure on. Usually just for a specific application though. I think my interaction package is more similar to a Thoughtseize type application, where if I can't win early, I tutor what I need to address the specific threats, instead of using Instant spell to do them? If that makes sense. Gisela, the Broken Blade i've cut.
Hellkite Tyrant was specifically answering an almost consistent Breya, Etherium Shaper deck. It's been a while since C16 set now, so definitely seeing it less and less. Might help with Teferi, Temporal Archmage or Urza, Lord High Artificer on occasion. It wasn't enough on it's own though, it also needed a Linvala, Keeper of Silence to go with it. Prior to this, I had nothing to compete with Breya, Etherium Shaper , had no way to win.
Lyra Dawnbringer is on my cut list now, might become the Sire Of Insanity or something like that. Mother of Runes works good with Master of Cruelties , also can protect Kaalia of the Vast , makes guys like Balefire Dragon unblockable too, or protects a Razaketh, the Foulblooded and becomes Tutor mana, or blocks an early Infect attack. Slow yes, but has some utility. Also can protect my Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker or Worldgorger Dragon causing me to win (instead of lose). It's borderline for sure, have to think about it. Aven Mindcensor feels good, looking for a way to include him as well as the Sire Of Insanity .
Steel Hellkite I tried for over a year, I would either, not be able to connect (no trample), or when I did, not enough mana to get the threat that I really needed to remove. I gave up on Steel Hellkite , also needs a Mother of Runes for support.
Ancient Tomb is back in, can't recall why I removed it. Think it screwed me one game with the colorless, but now that I've removed most of the colorless, it makes sense. Prismatic Vista isn't great, only 2 basics (can put in the snow's but for why), I like that it filters a land out (lower probability of drawing a land), but also destroys my mana-fixing as well, so agreed, unnecessary in this build, but feels weird.
I'm probably going to continue reducing CMC and reducing land counts as you've recommended, but needs some expensive 0-CMC rocks which I don't have, or some resource planning around alt. mana sources.
Overall goal is still to build for cEDH, understanding that consistency isn't going to push into more than a Tier-2.5/3 categorization, so I'll go over High Power again later lol.
Thinking about Interaction, I really don't want to go heavy into that with things like, Dismember or Lightning Bolt would rather let the opponents use their removal, and PRAY that I can sneak through a combo. If I combo T1 it has a fairly high success rate (other than a Pact of Negation which eliminated themselves) usually don't get stopped (Odd Force of Will or Swords to Plowshares here and there), T2 is still decently good, often others are still tutoring for a T3 win, but outside of T3 or beyond, usually I need to wait until someone tries to combo, and then is stopped, before I have a chance. I just go for it whenever I can though, increases winning % over trying to strategically go for it and being too late.
I think perhaps Red Elemental Blast or Pyroblast or both perhaps will be handy, Silence I wish it had Split Second (like Teferi's Protection ) because most combos don't have a "sorcery" speed interaction so doesn't stop. Can protect me on the turn I'm going for it like another Grand Abolisher but outside of that not highly useful. Will do some playtesting with it and see if it improves my completion % for combo and increases my combo win % because that's all that matters.
I decided not to go MLD, can Stax/MLD certainly is a strategy, but prefer just to ignore others, and just go for the win myself, win or lose. Plus I don't repopulate my hand nor ramp, so probably just slowing myself down instead of the opponents. Plus I don't have a Ravages of War so would require a financial commitment, would rather focus on finding a way to go for the win on T1-T3 more consistently.
I think if you found Kaalia of the Vast wasn't competitive using MLD before you dissolved that strategy, don't think it's the right course to go down either. Would rather try some out-of-the-box planning, and see if we can get her into a cEDH, which your comments are VERY helpful, and VERY appreciated. Think I've made some decent strides, still waiting for my card order to come in the mail so I can make some more cuts/adds to the deck!
I'll reply on high power shortly since it's lower priority, and hopefully you'll see my deck going in a stronger direction. Pushing that T1 probability up is key. I keep thinking there must be a T1 with Entomb and Goryo's Vengeance that I can do somehow? Razaketh, the Foulblooded would need another enabler, but there must be someone (like Griselbrand aka Griselbanned) to win with? Hmm.
4 months ago
I would cut all the dragons that dont Have an immediate impact on the board or provide a good utility. Utvara Hellkite is a powerhouse in any dragon deck; your dragons start making more dragons and you gum up the board with fat flying lizards. Silumgar, the Drifting Death wipes out opposing creatures and the more dragons you have the nastier it gets. Hellkite Tyrant can be a win con and just snatch artifacts off of an urza player. Just think about what decks play in your playgroup/meta and find a dragon that deals with the problem. Theres a dragon for almost everything.