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Vorel of the Hull Clade
Legendary Creature — Human Merfolk
, : Double the number of each kind of counter on target artifact, creature, or land.
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Vorel of the Hull Clade Discussion
2 weeks ago
I honestly can't think of any atm in terms of standard, however let me share something from a 4 player commander game like 3 years ago. I use to play a Vorel of the Hull Clade deck (was my first edh deck built) and about halfway through the match I had a 6/6 Sphinx of Magosi out that I was using for a blocker. Me and one other friend were the most in the lead over the other two when it came to board states, meanwhile one of my opponents was stuck on 2 lands and a Rakdos Signet and had begun to discard to hand size for like 5 times around the table. I went to combat with the Sphinx of Magosi a few turns later when I had it as an 8/8 vs my friend who was the only significant threat at the time besides me. Also, because I had nothing else to do whatsoever that turn, I just used the effect on my turn to make it a 9/9. He decided to let the damage go through as he had 40 health still. Then completely out of the blue, my opponent that I mentioned who wasn't able to do like anything up until that point in the match cast a Tainted Strike for lethal. The look of surprise from everyone was amazing.
Writing all of that out, I actually thought of one that was standard related. I will try my best to recall it all as it got a bit much. Once on a game of arena back when it was just Ixalan block, I was playing a deck that was basically vampire tribal with a decent amount of removal. I played a Bishop of Binding which my opponent immediately chose to exile on my endstep with Cast Out and I couldn't do anything at the time about it. But a few turns later, I played my own Cast Out on his Cast Out to get my Bishop of Binding and exile whatever target I chose once again. He followed this up on his turn with another 2nd Cast Out targeting my copy of Cast Out so that he could get back his first copy of Cast Out to exile my Bishop of Binding again. Then I managed to play a second Cast Out of my own not long after and you get the idea i'm sure by now,to get my Bishop of Binding yet again. My opponent would follow suit with another Cast Out and repeat the process again and what I did this time was play an Ixalan's Binding that I drew which made my opponent quit immediately lol.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
I'm going to lay it all on the table here to make my train of thought as clear as possible, and back up my statements with source material. I spent way too much time on this already, so I might as well post it!
Here's a Scryfall search showing all creatures with the Vampire subtype. Of them, thirteen (a mere 5.8% of all vampires) have an additional race subtype. Of those thirteen, three are undead Vampires ( Vampire Revenant , Nirkana Revenant , and Skeletal Vampire ), four are from the Eldritch Moon block and are Vampire Horrors ( Weirded Vampire , Voldaren Pariah Flip, Stromkirk Occultist , and Stromkirk Condemned ), and four were printed before the Grand Creature Type Update (hencefore GCTU) ( Vampiric Dragon , Vampire Hounds , Mirri the Cursed , and Irini Sengir ). The final two are Aetherborn Vampires from Kaladesh ( Yahenni, Undying Partisan and Gifted Aetherborn ).
All of this points to Vampires with two races being the vast minority (again 5.8%) of all Vampires ever printed. Aside from the pre-GCTU Vampires, they all have set-specific reasons for having two racial subtypes or are undead (which seems counter intutive as I've always considered Vampires to be undead already...but I digress).
Here again (for posterity) is the link to the GCTU Announcement. This clarifies what the stance is or R&D in their approach to creature subtypes. From the article, "...we implemented the "race class" model for Magic creatures..." This establishes a baseline for every single MTG creature from September 2007 onward. Elf Druid, Human Warrior, Zombie Knight, etc. This is a framework for card design.
I want to be clear, its a guideline, not a hard and fast rule. In general, they wanted to keep it simple as part of the New World Order of MTG which you can find in an article here. While the article doesn't explicitly state that creatures typing is part of the NWO, it can be inferred from it that simplicity is important in MTG going forward. With that in mind it only makes sense that they would try very hard while designing cards to keep to the "race class" system for both consistency and simplicity. Are they never going to print a card with two races? Of course not, as you mentioned Frilled Mystic and as I mentioned Vorel of the Hull Clade . Wizards isn't afraid to work outside their own general guidelines if it suits their purposes, fits with the lore (this one is important for this argument), and doesn't unbalance the game.
By your argument, every Vampire would have the "Pre-Vampire-Race Vampire Class" e.g. Elf Vampire Druid, Human Vampire Warrior, Vampire Zombie Knight. Could they do it? Sure, but it goes against R&D's stated goal for what they want for MTG going forward by adding needless complexity (and letterhead) to cards.
Your example of Ahn-Crop Invader brings up an interesting point though and I have a thought about it. Let's use some cards with current links as examples. For you side I produce Marauding Boneslasher . A Zombie Minotaur 'Race Race" just like your example. For my side I produce Merciless Eternal . A Zombie Cleric "Race Class." I think what this shows is that when Wizards does put two races on a card it is unlikely be two "Common" races. E.g. Zombie Human, Elf Goblin, etc., unless there are extreme circumstances (Looking at you Vorel). Again I think it comes back to complexity. If every undead or mutated creature had to state its pre-death/mutation type, there'd be way too many of the core tribes in the game. The vast majority of Vampires and Zombies were originally humans judging from their art. By giving cards like that the Human subtype, Humans as a tribe would become overly powerful simply from having a large pool to draw cards from. Keeping the number of races/classes on a card to a minimum could potentially be balance related.
1) Multi-Race Vampires are small percentage of all Vampires ever printed.
2) Wizards wants to consistent in its product and has chosen the "Race Class" model for subtypes
3) Wizards wants to keep the game simple when possible. Extra subtypes go against this and as such are only used when crucial mechanically (e.g. Horrors for the Eldritch Moon block) or from a lore perspective (e.g. Yahenni, Undying Partisan )
3 weeks ago
So I posted my big response here by accident. Since I'm here anyway I just wanna say that for what its worth, I see where you are coming from and agree with you 100%!
3 weeks ago
Ah two good examples as counterpoints, but allow me to rebut. Frilled Mystic is a Simic guild member/creature. Several Simic cards have multiple species to emphasize the guild’s focus on hybridization. E.g. Vorel of the Hull Clade . Mirri is a Planar Chaos’d Crovax the Cursed . That card comes from a time before the great subtype update, but similar cards, Irini Sengir being most notable, have Vampire X subtypes. This strikes me more as an exception to the rule for throwback/nostalgia/Planar Chaos “What-could’ve-been” reasons than anything else.
3 weeks ago
8 cards? Well My choices are as follows, it's certainly a hard choice to narrow all of my favorites down. I have been playing since Journey into Nyx.
Prophet of Kruphix - Was one of the leading cards in my first ever Magic deck that I built to play casually and for a time I played it in my first commander deck led by Vorel of the Hull Clade until it's later banning.
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon - One of my favorite planeswalker cards of all time that I play both in my modern tron deck as well as Atraxa, Praetors' Voice commander deck. Can turn a game around so easily, his power cannot be denied.
Westvale Abbey Flip - Was a card that I built an earlier casual standard deck around involving Blisterpod , Cryptolith Rite , and other eldrazi scion generators to flip this card into Ormendahl, Profane Prince . If that wasn't possible, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger was another card that you could ramp into from tapping and then sacrificing the scions.
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger - I had one of these first in my above mentioned casual deck that was mostly simic goodstuff, and even after that I made a place for it in a Vorel of the Hull Clade , Atraxa, Praetors' Voice deck alongside the other praetors for flavour and now he resides in my Kruphix, God of Horizons deck where one of my favorite things to do with him is cheat him into play with Natural Order to make tons of mana for cost cards or Helix Pinnacle .
Winding Constrictor - Led a former standard deck of mine between Aether Revolt up until the later rotation all around +1/+1 counters. decks were all that I played in standard between Kaladesh to Guilds of Ravnica, only now with Ravnica Allegiance have I finally played a deck in different colours. I still have one in my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice deck for now until I convert it to superfriends fully with War of the Spark.
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet - I played this card a ton when it was in standard and I have held onto my two copies of the card which see a bit of commander play in my Edgar Markov and Oloro, Ageless Ascetic decks. Definitely one of my favorite black mythics of all time. I might in the future consider using them in a modern deck mainboard / sideboard if I ever build some deck in modern.
Cabal Coffers - There were so many cards besides this one I could still pick but this one really appeals to me as it embodies the power and greed that is black. Alongside Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth this is such good value, and I now use the card in two commander decks, Lord Windgrace and Gonti, Lord of Luxury .
Honourable Mentions of mine,
4 weeks ago
Musts: Fathom Mage Gyre Sage Master Biomancer Everflowing Chalice Herald of Secret Streams - Who is becoming a pretty popular card across formats fyi Managorger Hydra Inexorable Tide Simic Manipulator
Sideboard Cards you should Maindeck: Zendikar Resurgent Verdurous Gearhulk Soul of the Harvest Song of Freyalise Kodama's Reach Farseek Experiment One Everflowing Chalice Deepglow Skate Cultivate Chasm Skulker Biogenic Ooze Beast Whisperer
1 month ago
PlatinumOne you are very right. I completely missed the total count. I've dropped out the following 3 cards to bring it down:
Curator of Mysteries : It was nice to cycle it for card draw, but I've got quite a bit of draw without him.
Sphinx of Foresight : 4 mana for a 4/4 flyer is nice, but it didn't really add anything to the deck outside of that.
Gateway Plaza : I have a command tower in there, which does what this does,but infinitely better. Was happy to take this out.
I will definitely look to add Solidarity of Heroes , that would be amazing in there. I'm also not completely sold on Zegana as the commander and may put in Vorel of the Hull Clade instead, and put Zegana in the 99.
Any other suggestions you might have, I'm open to hear them.
Vorel of the Hull Clade occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%
G/U (Simic): 0.74%