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Vorel of the Hull Clade
Legendary Creature — Human Merfolk
, : Double the number of each kind of counter on target artifact, creature, or land.
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Vorel of the Hull Clade Discussion
2 days ago
I think you'd want to focus on proliferate and putting +1/+1 counters on your creatures.
I think that you have a larger number of enchantments then you need. Here are my suggestions to sharpen this area of your deck. Web of Inertia should be replaced with Inexorable Tide . Sheltered Aerie can be replaced with Hardened Scales . This next swab can be a large chunk of money but is a significant upgrade. Asceticism is an upgrade for Shielding Plax . It is up to you but I would cut Beastmaster Ascension and Bred for the Hunt . You can replace them with value creatures that allow you to utilize your commander.
For Sorcery, I am going to again focus on proliferate. Miming Slime creates a creature who can be powerful but not of value, instead I would put in Tezzeret's Gambit . Verdant Confluence is a good card but beings with it a high mana cost. Triumph of the Hordes is cheaper, buffs all your creatures, and threatens your opponents with an infect trample attack. I would replace Confluence with the Triumph of the Hordes card. Cultivate could be more versatile and cheaper then Journey of Discovery .
Now instants. Druid's Deliverance focuses on populate. This ability is for doubling tokens and not counters. Krosan Grip is more value as you get to remove a target artifact or enchantment. Your other cards are good choices but preventing combat damage just slows you down. I would remove Respite and Root Snare . You can use this spot to add 2 more creatures that will buff your experience counters.
Lands look great! Some suggestions would be Yavimaya Coast , Temple of Mystery , Evolving Wilds or Terramorphic Expanse , Botanical Sanctum , and Hinterland Harbor . Sand Silos can slow you down somewhat and Darksteel Citadel only produces colorless mana. It is up to you on how you want to combine these suggestions. My last note is that your land count should be between 37 and 39 to make sure you can constantly play mana and don't get stuck.
Creatures are the bread and butter of your deck. You need them for those experience counters, so let's start putting in some value creatures that benefit you. Wall of Mist is a defender that will never attack, instead lets try to put in Chasm Skulker . Skulker can get very scary and when he is removed, you have an army of tokens. Cultivator of Blades can help to power up your creatures on an attack, triggers an experience counter, and is cheaper in mana then Oran-Rief Hydra . Druid of the Cowl can be upgraded with Gyre Sage . Sakura-Tribe Scout and Wayward Swordtooth allow you to play additional lands but this doesn't benefit your gameplan. Herald of Secret Streams and Champion of Lambholt are good value cards to replace them. Gladehart Cavalry is very expensive mana wise. Vorel of the Hull Clade is a great replacement that doubles your counters. Overgrown Armasaur should be replaced with Managorger Hydra .
5 days ago
1 week ago
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2 weeks ago
Good to see you here, hkhssweiss and thank you for the ideas. You're definitely onto something in most, if not all, cases. I still have trouble considering taking some of them out, but below is my responses and I'd be grateful to hear what you have to say!
I can definitely see Lorescale Coatl as being one of the top removals. He's great cause he get's big in here, fast, and having another option for that as a win-con is helpful. 3 out of the 6 games I've run this so far (heavy on cards) I've pulled off one of my psychological end-games with one opponent surviving and threw Traveler's Cloak on a Mr.Bigs for the final blow. However, I also have Toothy, Skulker, Psychosis Crawler and Tishana herself, so I probably won't need Lorescale. Moving to maybe.
Saying that, Bioshift was in case I (likely_ get 1-2 of the 3 counter generators out and either be able to shift them all onto Toothy for a bounce, Skulker before it's removed, or onto something else for a final surprise blow. However, if I'm taking out Lorescale Coatl , Bioshift loses much of that value. Moving to maybe.
Vorel of the Hull Clade on the other hand does any kind of counters rather than just +1/+1, which is super potent with either of the Myojins. So much so that he becomes a power-node in the network.
Keeping him in means Seahunter also stays as power-node; while I only have 4 merfolk in here, they each play a strong role with a different win-con setup depending on what's happening in the game. One draws me a bunch of cards from having none, one windfalls my hand to the same size for mass card-draw triggers, one flickers Tishana (or other ETB creatures), and the other doubles the counters on the Myojins or Mr.Bigs creatures. To tutor one of these out at any time, directly on to the battlefield for free becomes game winning in many cases. He, like Mirror Image , is one of those creatures that doesn't have great face value, but his place in the network makes him worthy of a spot.
Simic Guildmage is a tough one. I'm not entirely convinced on taking Traveler's Cloak out because of the power I've seen it have in many games. Also the other auras are part of infinite combos, but also helpful to get out on non-combo creatures early on, to speed up my board state. I need a way to shift the aura's when one of the other combo pieces hits the ground. It's also great interactivity with the Voltron style some decks in my meta play, and the protection people put on their commanders. I'll keep an eye on him though as I play test this. I'd say he's definitely an option to move to the maybe board.
Renewing Touch was in mind as something to restock my deck in a grindy game, to keep me from milling myself and to get all the great utility creatures back. I haven't gotten to a grindy game yet with this, so I think this will make its way to sideboard for now for sure. Same with Boundless Realms , though I do believe it has big power to not just ramp huge, then thin my draws to mainly creatures which I can then play without a problem because of all the mana available. Keep in mind I'm in a slower meta... however, I do also see it for how it lacks value in the more linear, focused gameplay where I'm just trying to get to the win-con. Sideboarding it.
Ovinize - I'm worried about lack of removal in this deck and there's players in my meta who us stuff like angels that give all their creatures indestructible or hexproof. This guy seems great for dealing with those things, especially with the help of politicking. On that note, Winged Coatl is also great as, once players in my meta know he's in my deck they talk themselves out of attacking me if I have a few mana up. Or not attacking if he's on the board. In the end, with both of these, I'm worried about not having answers, both to power creatures in others decks, and monsters attacking me when I have a board full of little creatures. I'll try pulling these out and give it a bunch of plays to see what happens, but it's tough.
Great call on Deadeye Navigator ! I've been wanting an excuse to pick one of these up and, while I'm worried about his place on the curve, I see his great value and think this deck could handle it in many cases. It's powerful as a repeatable flicker, for sure.
Also, when I was reviewing your Tuvasa of the Eternal Aeon Primer, I noticed Pemmin's Aura which I think could replace Freed from the Real here. It has the same untap ability, but also can make the creature flying which gives it double duty as more evasion for one of the Mr.Bigs. What do you think?
2 weeks ago
Honestly we've had human merfolk (looking at you, Vorel of the Hull Clade ) but in terms of races, how are half elves functionally different than humans or elves? Think about trying to translate that into a card. With characters on a page or in a story as a stand alone bit it's one thing, in terms of a story which is supposed to fit (and thematically have it's most important character represented on said cards) it's another.
2 weeks ago
Yo what's up goldlion!
Here would be the ten cards I recommend cutting!
- Traveler's Cloak
- Boundless Realms
- Renewing Touch
- Winged Coatl
- Lorescale Coatl
- Simic Guildmage
- Vorel of the Hull Clade
All the cards listed above doesn't go with tthe theme in the deck or too little of a current synergy that you can go remove all the +1/+1 side theme going on.
Hope that helps buddy!
I would also abuse more ETB effects since you are going with the mill draw/pain route. You can use Deadeye Navigator to pair with Tishana to draw your whole deck. It isn't infinite if you blink her several times :P
1 month ago
1 month ago
Commander / EDH*
Throughout my history of making Decklists, They all have either this quality, or it won't make it:
"You lose all friends on the Table."
Not today though...
I currently have 14 cards over, & this deck seems to have quite some Political Potential. Currently, I dunno what 14 to cut, but the potential is real; though it's sad that still can't evade the nightmare of the Competitive Meter (Why am I comparing it to the Holy Grail of Fate/ Lore?) not being even ~60% Competitive... I know it means nothing... Yet. But I'd like some suggestions for cuts anyway. Plus, Bedevil > Dreadbore anyway. (Puts on Sunglasses, & fails to light a Zippo Lighter; Yamaki Mitsuo-style (Dunno who he is? Ask around, as he is from a great anime you MAY have watched as a kid even. ;) He's a Villain, but also helps the heroes out at one point in a way.).
That said, what adds/cuts would you recommend? I actually used several sources as inspiration; & I give such credit to the makers of those decks (Why do I even do it? It's seems as bad as net decking..X/).
The rest is up to you; What would you add/cut? Maybe something from RNA?
Vorel of the Hull Clade occurrence in decks from the last year
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Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.11%
G/U (Simic): 0.28%