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If one or more +1/+1 counters would be placed on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are placed on it instead.
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Hardened Scales Discussion
1 day ago
Note that replacement effects do not trigger or use the stack, rather they simply apply to an event and replace it. When Dromoka's Command resolves and tries to put a +1/+1 counter on the creature, Hardened Scales sees this and replaces that event with placing 2 of those counters instead.
2 days ago
There are 2 separate effects giving your creature a +1/+1 counter: that from Dromoka's Command, and from the Heroic trigger itself.
Hardened Scales applies to each individual effect that puts a counter on your creature, so it will end up with 4 counters in total.
2 days ago
Let's say I have a Hardened Scales and a Favored Hoplite on the battlefield. Then, let's say I play Dromoka's Command and give my creature a +1/+1 counter and whatever else, will my creatue get 3 total counters? Or 4? Or some other number of counters? I know it is at least 3 :P
2 days ago
TepigAggro ... thanks for the suggestions. I 100% agree about adding in some defence to protect my creatures while they are growing. I am debating between trying to protect a single creature with Blossoming Defense for one G, or protecting all of them with Heroic Intervention for 2cmc. I am also going to try out some of the other suggestions you made. I know he slows things down but I really like the doubling effect of Kalonian Hydra. And I like the idea of using Increasing Savagery on Champion of Lambholt to make it pretty difficult to block my creatures. I also like it on Gyre Sage to create extra mana. Your point is well taken... those cards are like running with a parachute on your back... they slow me down. Wilt-Leaf Liege was an idea i was trying out to add multiple counters to all my creatures (if I had a couple Hardened Scales out). Fungal Behemoth can be huge by turn 5.
5 days ago
Hardened Scales might work in here unbelievable value in a little 1 drop enchantment
5 days ago
I'm confused, why did you put counters on for Master Biomancer? It wasn't on the battlefield yet to effect any of the creatures. Also, for handling evolve triggers, you have to apply Corpsejack Menace, Doubling Season, and Hardened Scales. You also are not applying Hardened Scales correctly, but are arriving at an acceptable result. You have to apply Hardened Scales before applying the doublers, otherwise you just add one to your doubled results.
5 days ago
You are for the most part right about Cytoplast Manipulator, though Hardened Scales is a replacement effect, not a trigger so the exact proper way to explain it is: Cytoplast Manipulator entered with two plus one is three, doubled to six, doubled to twelve counters on it; and then one plus one is two, doubled to four, doubled to eight counters were grafted onto it.
5 days ago
I have 3 total questions concerning two turns I took, the description is kinda complicated so bear with me. This actually happened last night in a commander game with friends and we weren't entirely sure we got all the interactions correct so I thought I'd ask here: I played Genesis Wave for a total cmc of 9 mana, so I revealed the top 6 cards of my library which were Master Biomancer , Corpsejack Menace , Fathom Mage , Doubling Season , Hardened Scales and Plaxcaster Frogling in that order ... My friends and I were completely horrified by what I'd just done. In trying to figure the situation out we broke it down something like this: we immediately set Master Biomancer to the side and said everything else would ETB with two +1/+1 counters already on themselves, I knew specifically that Corpsejack Menace 's ability doesnt work on itself when Master Biomancer enters at the same time and thus assumed the same would be true for Doubling Season and Hardened Scales so we didn't worry about doubling anything or adding +1s. Then it got tricky. When Fathom Mage entered we figured it gained two counters from Master Biomancer and thus entered as a 3/3 on its own. Fathom Mage then "saw" Master Biomancer enter alongside it as a 2/4, evolved into a 4/4, then saw Plaxcaster Frogling enter as a 5/5, (three +1/+1 counters from its own graft and two from MB) evolved into a 5/5 itself, then saw Corpsejack Menace enter as a 6/6 then evolved into a 6/6 itself, so i drew a total of 5 cards and didnt even think about trying to graft anything with Plaxcaster Frogling just to avoid further confusion. I felt we had resolved it correctly but I wanted to confirm that we got it right. So my first two questions are: 1. Did we? and if not how should it have resolved? and 2. Could I have grafted a +1/+1 counter from plaxcaster onto something else in that instance? for sake of explanation my graft target would have been Corpsejack Menace if it was at all possible. My last question has to do with my next turn. I played Cytoplast Manipulator with everything else still on the field. It entered with two +1+1 counters of its own, doubled to four by Corpsejack Menace then to eight by Doubling Season then received one counter from Hardened Scales doubled to 2 and then 4 respectively for that interaction, then I grafted another counter onto it from Plaxcaster Frogling which double doubled to four and then it received another counter from Hardened Scales which double doubled to 4 for that interaction resulting in twenty total counters being placed on it, causing Fathom Mage to evolve once more into a 7/7. So my last question is: Did I resolve playing Cytoplast Manipulator correctly and should it have entered as a 20/20?