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If one or more +1/+1 counters would be placed on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are placed on it instead.
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Hardened Scales Discussion
4 days ago
I would say the deck is just a little unfocused. You have mill, and you have big flashy mid range plays with no removal to help you get to the point where they are meaningful plays. I would say you either need to focus on the mill combo element of it, make the deck more aggressive and tune it into a tempo deck, or up the amount of interaction to allow for more mid range plays. If you have the money, splashing green for Hardened Scales, and/or Collected Company can also help. In my experience of playing allies, is the most common shell for allies, but you can do all sorts of color combos. has actually been a favorite of mine, and it routinely wins turn 3 or 4. 4 or 5 color allies is also very possible and plays kind of like a more aggressive version of the humans decks running around. Less interaction, but capable of spamming power on the board far faster.
If you want to keep the deck , then I might suggest the tempo or mill routes. Blue gives some solid tempo plays (like Remand); and Halimar Excavator is admittedly a powerful card if you build around that win condition. But excavator does not really help contribute much to the game plan if you are not planning on winning via mill. The extra win condition might be nice in some games. But if the deck's primary win condition is get your opponent to 0 life, you might find that you don't need the extra win condition if the excavators were replaced with a tempo or aggressive piece and the deck is more consistent. But in a deck focused on mill, few cards are better at milling as Halimar Excavator. Without going for tempo plays, or focusing on mill, Jwari Shapeshifter becomes the primary reason to even consider blue -- and you might be better off using another color at that point.
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1 week ago
Gavony Township is a pretty good 1-of, as a lategame manasink.
Coiling Oracle can be good with anything "landfall". I think a full set of those would be good, and a single copy of Courser of Kruphix - a bit of lifegain and not drawing lands can be a lategame advantage.
If you plan on using +1/+1 counters for growing your creatures, Hardened Scales is good too.
1 week ago
No. Counters are neither creature cards, nor creature tokens. They cannot be declared as blockers. In the case of +1/+1 counters, the only thing they do is increase its power and toughness beyond what is printed on the card.
The reason counters are used is because:
1/ There are different types of counters from Isareth the Awakener's weird counters that remind you to exile the thing when it dies, to charge counters to -1/-1 counters.
2/ Because counters allow you to design cards like Hardened Scales.
3/ Counters are permenent while stat boosts from things like Giant Growth are not.
Many more reasons, but there is no reason to go into those for now.
If you do have any other rules questions, there is Rules Q&A on the top bar of this site and if you want to ask me specifically, write on my wall at Boza.
2 weeks ago
Well, Hardened Scales gives you the effect for just 1 mana right off the bat. Pir, Imaginative Rascal requires you to jump a couple hoops to get the same effect for the same cost, but comes with the benefits for being a creature you can tutor up and putting a counter on Animar when you cast it.
I guess a big question to address is if the effect is one worth using a tutor on to begin with? Pir doesn't have the early game speed and mana efficiency that Hardened Scales does, but I think that it might be a little better later in the game if the board has been wiped and you are in recovery mode.
That being said, I personally don't run Hardened Scales. It has its moments where it shines, but in the early game I find it doesn't offer that much more speed for its mana invenstment than if it had just been a 1 CMC creature, particularly a mana dork, instead. If WotC would print another 1 CMC version of Bond Beetle I would take that over a Hardened Scales type effect any day.
2 weeks ago
Thanks guys for the suggestions, despite them having nothing to do with this deck in particular, but for a more on-topic discussion, Pir, Imaginative Rascal feels better than Hardened Scales, but I don't know, I like that it is a creature, so it is more tutorable, but you probably would use tutors for Hardened Scales, so I don't know, thoughts?
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3 weeks ago
@Roguecor I see where you're coming from but Winding Constrictor's synergie isn't that high since the +1/+1 thing is only a minor subtheme. I had Hardened Scales in here previously but had to cut it for the same reason.