Snow Creature — Dragon
(2)(Snow): Tap target creature and put an ice counter on it. ((Snow) can be paid with one mana from a snow permanent.)
Creatures with ice counters on them don't untap during their controllers' untap steps.
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Rimescale Dragon Discussion
1 month ago
Cocytix, Archdemon of Cold
Legendary Snow Creature - Demon Giant
Whenever you cast a snow spell, put an ice counter on target permanent. That permanent loses all abilities and becomes a snow permanent. If it is a creature, tap it. It gains defender.
Sacrifice each other Snow permanent you control: Each opponent exiles that many cards from the top of their library.
, Pay 10 life: Return all snow lands from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped. Cocytix doesn't untap during your next untap step.
Target their lands to bypass defenders, tap down threats and remove combo pieces. Then, blow up your entire boardstate leaving Cocytix in the void tundra and let the crippling isolation decimate everyone else. Finally, succumb to the crippling chill and let the darkness overwhelm you, filling your heart with agony as you stand amid the hell you call home.
... well that got real.
How about an ice Dragon? Doesn't have to be mono-blue, but something like Rimescale Dragon that isn't mono-red would be nice. And yes, I know there is Icefall Regent and a few others. But hey, why not right?
1 month ago
Gleeock, I've been looking into that, actually. I have identified 10 cards I can slip in.
I am considering removing the following, for their respective reasons:
- Gauntlet of Power : It costs to much mana and assists my opponents in ramp. I am not looking to build a group hug deck.
- Extraplanar Lens : While there is strong power here, I also feel I have enough solid ramp and cost reduction that I do not need it. I play games and win just fine in tests without having it on the field. There are even times where I find it slows me down because I get greedy and play it too early, removing lands from play. For example, if I have three lands out but exile my only red source, I kind of screw myself over.
- Rimescale Dragon : With Lens out of the deck, I have reason to run Snow-Covered Mountain s. That is to say, I was running SCMs because it puts a soft-lock on my opponent's ability to ramp off my card. If they have normal Mountains, they gain no benefit. They would need specifically a Snow-Covered Mountain. Well, if I am not using snow lands, I don't benefit from Rimescale.
- Glacial Crevasses : Again, no snow lands = no need to run this.
Now only two of these are actually mainboarded; Gauntlet and Lens. I play many games without using these and things work out just fine. So it becomes a matter of what to replace them with.
I'd like to stick to the Dragons if able, only because I'd get the most value out of Lathliss. However, other control-like Enchantments work as well.
The list of Dragons I am looking at currently are the following:
- Hoard-Smelter Dragon : Gives me another control outlet on a Dragon. Similar to Steel Hellkite in that I can remove threats or problematic cards. I can break combo pieces apart or destroy stones to slow opponents down. It also works great to remove Voltron equipment. Without being a tap ability, I can sink an entire turn's worth of mana into it and blow up 2 or 3 artifacts late game.
- Knollspine Dragon : Giant hand replenishment card. There are plenty of times where I swing for 14+ damage. That's 14 cards. The value there is just immense. Possibly even better than Dragon Mage because I don't give my opponent's new cards, too.
- Moonveil Dragon : Functions as another anthem. Lathliss, Dragon Queen and Purphoros, God of the Forge both serve in this capacity. Having a 3rd Dragon might be useful, too.
- Mordant Dragon : A weaker version of Balefire Dragon . I may honestly replace Demanding Dragon . I don't want to give my opponent a choice in the matter. That's what makes Glorybringer and Flameblast Dragon so good - I choose where I want the damage to go.
- Thunder Dragon : Seems like a decent sweeper, but only if the boardstate is light enough. I'm not sure how this would fare in the changing meta. 3 damage probably isn't worth it late game, and early game it'd be too hard to reliably get out. Just posting it here so you know I thought of it.
- Zodiac Dragon : I was considering this only because I find it interesting that it gives me essentially an unkillable Dragon. No matter what the boardstate becomes, I would always have Zodiac and Lathliss I can fall back on. I just find that a bit interesting, but I don't think I should try and force Golgari into mono-red. Though, to be fair, I also have Haven of the Spirit Dragon which returns a Dragon as well as Daretti, Scrap Savant who can return Steel Hellkite and Moltensteel Dragon . So there is precedent for it in this deck.
Additionally, I have identified:
- Price of Glory : Completely shuts down reaction-based decks.
- Citadel of Pain : Forces mana-drain.
- Ashling's Prerogative : Another source of haste. If I choose even, all of my 6-cmc Dragons (Which are most of them) gain haste. Likewise, my tokens (0 cmc) also gain haste. It also gives my Commander haste.
I think I'd rather go with the enchantments I feel that slowing opponents down while I burn them out with passive triggers is a great foundation to rely on as I churn out an army of Dragons. Sort of keeps the pressure off of me to keep going as fast as possible. This way, if I get a hand with 2 or 3 6-cmc Dragons but also a 3-cmc control enchantment, I can keep it knowing I have a soft lock on the game for a few turns.
After I finalize this deck, I plan on building a Prossh, Skyraider of Kher deck, running Korvold, Fae-Cursed King as a "secret Commander". That will be far more of a "regular" EDH deck with interactions, wraths, tutors, land spell cards, etc. :)
1 month ago
TypicalTimmy I see your Problem. But Rimescale Dragon seems like a very unique control ability for red. I would ask myself which other options you would use and if the ramp with your Lens is needed or not?
2 months ago
Glad you enjoy my build, friend! It's still a work in progress. I'm not 100% sold on the idea of using snow-covered mountains. I'm using them so that the chances of me accidentally helping my opponents out with Extraplanar Lens is significantly lower, but then I want to add in both Rimescale Dragon and Glacial Crevasses . I'm not sure though, as Rimescale requires dedicated mana and is liable to removal. However, GC is an awesome card that is extremely unique and, I believe, the only red card which does that. However, I am not sure if I should sacrifice synergy for potential fog effects.
I may, honestly, drop Extraplanar Lens entirely and just go back to the normal design. Seems like trying to tie in snow-mana is a bit too much at this point.
4 months ago
You want to induce more rage? Exchange your basics for snow covered basics and add in Rimescale Dragon This will really piss ppl off. Love the deck and the purpose behind it. Hella big +1
6 months ago
Hey, great start really well made deck :)
Cards to consider adding:
- Chandra, Torch of Defiance
- Feldon of the Third Path
- Chaos Warp
- Tectonic Reformation
- Endless Atlas
Gamble and Chaos Warp are fantastic cards because their effects are outside red's color pie. Their staples for red because they're unique and powerful. Chandra, Torch of Defiance is amazing being either ramp, draw or removal. Tectonic Reformation and Endless Atlas can be sources of repeatable draw.
Feldon of the Third Path can be repeatable reanimation with haste of Dragons which is a helpful effect to have since Dragons are going to die. He'll make a token copy of a Dragon which doesn't trigger Lathliss, but that's fine because the tokens trigger any ETB abilities or attack triggers the creature has. Feldon is good to take some advantage of Avaricious Dragon and Dragon Mage . He's also very good with Solemn Simulacrum to create a mini land ramp and draw engine for red.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Burnished Hart : the least good ramp card here.
- Banefire : only hits one target which is lackluster since can only cast it once.
- Crucible of Fire : Dragons already have high power/toughness and evasion they don't really need this power/toughness anthem. Lathliss and Moonveil Dragon are better anthem effects.
- Where Ancients Tread : not all Dragons or other creatures here have 5 power. Warstorm Surge is better.
- Outpost Siege : Chandra gives you this effect or a lots of other options for the same mana cost.
- Rimescale Dragon
10 months ago
mrdehring - I do like Scrying Sheets , and I didn't even know Rimescale Dragon existed. I put 'em both in there. I might not have enough snow permanents, but I'm hoping Sheets will give me even a little bit of repeatable card advantage with whatever leftover mana.
And that dragon is just awesome haha, late game he just shuts down every other creature. I don't think I can find a spot for the other snow cards, unfortunately.
I got Dread in the Maybeboard haha, I gotta save on mana costs and it comes down to 4 < 6.
10 months ago
If you are going to be putting lands into your graveyard you may want something like The Mending of Dominaria as a useful graveyard filling tool, and way to reanimate your lands. Most people like Ramunap Excavator as well, but I'm not really sold on the naga cleric.
You may need to up your snow land count to make this work, but Scrying Sheets is a great way to dig through a deck with snow. I used to run Coldsteel Heart , Phyrexian Ironfoot , Rimescale Dragon and Ohran Viper to up my snow count as well. Skred is also great if you go further down this path.
For more landfall I've had great luck with Nesting Dragon .