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Selvala, Heart of the Wilds
Legendary Creature — Elf Scout
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield, its controller may draw a card if its power is greater than each other creature's power.
, : Add X mana in any combination of colors to your mana pool, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
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Selvala, Heart of the Wilds Discussion
1 week ago
About that - main problem here is that you want to have too much high CMC cards that make 'cool things' but it's better to settle for less and actually get there. Playing Dragon tribe already fills your high end of the curve so we need to focus on lower CMC interaction/ramp/draw to get to cast as many of the mentioned creatures as possible.
That's why Crucible of Fire and Sight of the Scalelords are bad but you seem to discover another way to win besides fight with big beaters - it's reanimator strategy. So I'd rather get 4/4 or 5/5 Dragon with Animate Dead for AND do something else than cast one of those enchantments and pass, hoping that it survives on board. I personally use reanimation with Dragon Tempest as a secondary strategy to kill as many people as possible with damage from dragons coming back and then smash the rest with them, since they get haste.
Abrupt Decay has that advantage of hitting NONLAND permaments... so creatures, enchantments, artifacts, planeswalkers all go down. While Vraska's Contempt is overpriced Path to Exile in black since planeswalkers can be overrun with Dragons and 2 life gain is negligible. It's not about hitting someone's Craterhoof Behemoth or in your case Hellkite Overlord it's about dealing with Sylvan Library / Phyrexian Arena , Chromatic Lantern or Yisan, the Wanderer Bard that get them there. And that's the lesson that I learned few months back and made drastic changes to my deck - Bow before Draconic King!!! | *WAR* Update. It's still a Dragon deck but has everything that early game requires so I can still compete with better tuned decks of others.
That's why for changes I'd propose:
- Kilnmouth Dragon -> Night's Whisper - instead of giving someone information what you have for 7 mana you get 2 cards for 2 that noone sees besides you
- Skarrgan Hellkite -> Selvala, Heart of the Wilds or Lotus Cobra - 5 mana for 4/4 flyer that can be 5/5 with overpriced activated ability is bad... you'll be better off with one of these dorks for 2-3 CMC.
- Crucible of Fire -> Nature's Claim - lowers the avg. CMC, let's you be more reactive and holding on for interaction on opponents turn is easy to do.
- Spit Flame -> Sarkhan's Triumph - overpriced damage restricted to creatures might be good in Standard but not EDH. Try out tutor instead and thank me later :D
- The Immortal Sun -> Gruul Signet / Rakdos Signet - I know it's an epic card and all but... it's cost is huge, you might actually cast 6 CMC Dragon instead of this and to actually get there you can run early ramp so 1-2 turns earlier flying behemoth will be way more dangerous.
- Hellkite Overlord / Darigaaz Reincarnated -> Worldly Tutor - with tutor in deck you need actually 1 of these two if you still want to have a huge Dragon. Also this is great way to get utility dragons like Glorybringer or Dragonlord Kolaghan when you need them most.
- Temple of the False God -> Rocky Tar Pit / Mountain Valley / Evolving Wilds - this land is bad... if you have 1 land and this, then you still only have 1 land since it won't activate early. Ancient Tomb is great because it can work turn 1 for some rocks but this... requires board full of lands and one Armageddon makes it useless again.
If you want to know more about getting better at EDH I'd recommend checking out CMDR Central and EDHRec podcasts on youtube - https://articles.edhrec.com/commander-central-ep75-settling-for-less/. Also EDHRec page has great articles posted daily, one of them is about Evolving Wilds: https://articles.edhrec.com/in-the-margins-evolving-wilds-terramorphic-expanse/
1 week ago
Looks good, however I'd still lower the number of dragons and add some interaction and draw:
- Night's Whisper - 2 cards for 2 mana and 2 life? It's great!
- Worldly Tutor - instead of having 'whatever' dragon you get 'exactly' what you need, same thing with Sylvan Tutor and Sarkhan's Triumph .
- Nature's Claim - very cheap interaction and giving 4 life against draconic force means absolutely nothing.
- Abrupt Decay - without white and lack of exile effects you must still up the number of removal you get here and there's no better option than a little more specific Assassin's Trophy .
- Llanowar Elves - classic dork, that can be used in place of 1 of your worse performing land.
- Lotus Cobra - since you have more of 'land matters' theme I'd consider this card and if you can afford some more fetchlands it works wonders (even 2 slow fetches will do).
- Gruul Signet and Rakdos Signet - 2 cmc rocks that add and one of the supporting colors might lower the avg. CMC and smooth out early game.
- Selvala, Heart of the Wilds - a 3 cmc dork, that can provide card draw AND can tap for immense amounts of mana for only !
- Sarkhan the Mad - can be translated here as 'kill one player'
- Fire-Lit Thicket - might be worth giving a shot thanks to it's flexibility
1 week ago
Monomanamaniac: The issue with Joraga Warcaller is that it doesn't do anything the deck wants. We are never trying to win through combat because of how fragile it is in a competitive scene. With the exception of Selvala, Heart of the Wilds , Marwyn, the Nurturer , and perhaps Yeva, Nature's Herald herself (commander damage in a pinch?), I don't really care about the power and toughness of my creatures.
The deck's primary goal is two things: Get infinite mana and an outlet for that mana. Yeva enables the combos at instant speed to make them harder to interact with.
Elvish Piper : Beyond awesome and used to make my Great Oak Guardian and Temur Sabertooth lines cost 3 mana to go infinite. I also loved its ability to bring things out at instant speed without worrying about them being countered. As the deck became more and more optimized, Elvish Piper started feeling too narrow, so it inevitably didn't make the cut. It fell into the "fun card" category, but not optimized, so it ultimately had to be cut.
Heroic Intervention : is great for wrath effects, but the only wrath-like effects I encounter now are Cyclonic Rift and Toxic Deluge . However, the most important thing to note with this deck is that all Wrath effects are sorcery speed, beyond a couple rocks and dorks our field never looks menacing enough to boardwipe it, since we always play our pivotal combo pieces at the end of your opponent's turn. When we are boardwiped, I usually tap out all my dorks and float the mana, wait for priority to shift to me after it resolves and cast Yeva, which allows us outvalue sorcery speed wipes. This is also the reason my pod has moved away from wrath effects. The hexproof is as relevant as the Pro UB from Autumn's Veil .
1 week ago
What is it that makes Yisan, the Wanderer Bard tier one? I've never played with or against him. On the flipside what is keeping Selvala, Heart of the Wilds from being tier one? She's (or he) is a ridiculously fast, resilient and consistent deck with the ability to go off turn three pretty consistently. When I ran her she was a beast. Sorry I don't currently have a list to share.
2 weeks ago
-Good catch; I did indeed mean to tag Dromoka, the Eternal in that post. After some more testing I am coming around to the fact that the multiple triggers are fine with dorks out, both to beef up blockers and because it doesn't take too many triggers to go off before you're putting them on bodies with evasion/non-mana abilities. It has also been relevant to getting Selvala, Heart of the Wilds out of a lower-X Toxic Deluge range.
-As to Dragons, I'm currently not missing any particular one that I've cut, including Hellkite Tyrant . If anything it just increases our perceived threat level and draws hate a bit before we're equipped to snowball or deal with it. I may make some cuts to find room again for Dragonlord Kolaghan and Glorybringer , in that order.
- Teferi's Protection is another card that's a meta call, but personally I'm still a bit down on it, as it is very good for casual games but very meh for competitive games. It saved my bacon against an alpha swing from a Bogles-style Enchantress deck once, but it doesn't protect from infinite mill wins, and usually also some storm wins, Lab Man lines, and/or Walking Ballista lines. I'd rather just have the single one blue counterspell, Stubborn Denial , for backup against Cyclonic Rift or sweeper effects we don't want to see stick. The Greater Good package is here for more consistent sweeper protection with a higher ceiling, and I don't like holding up 3CMC for what is often essentially a flexible Fog effect. But that's just me, and in many cases Teferi's Protection can be a real beast. I'd just rather have the flexibility and lower CMC of the hard counter for non-creature spells.
-I don't think we need 3CMC draw, either; instead, I'm looking at a way to recur Patriarch's Bidding so we can go off twice and dig through most of the deck over two turns with Greater Good out. So far I'm going the most mana-efficient route and playing Noxious Revival , as that also can serve as graveyard hate against opponents in corner cases, and since it can be cast for 2 life/Phyrexian mana only, and at instant speed (vs Regrowth ).
-If anything, at the moment, I may do some work on my land choices, eventually just biting the bullet and swapping the extra Forest/Mountain in Sheltered Thicket for Taiga , re-evaluating Path of Ancestry for Exotic Orchard or Forbidden Orchard , and swapping Homeward Path for another colored source, possibly Sunpetal Grove .
3 weeks ago
would work fine if you have lands that generate more than 1 mana. That wasn’t included in the initial question so I didn’t address it. And I was incorrect about
Selvala, Heart of the Wilds
being usable since Lili can only get non-legendary creatures.
A Crypt of Agadeem would work nicely in the event you wanted to get this combo going, assuming you have enough creatures in your graveyard.
And if we’re saying Gaea's Cradle is an affordable option, then a much easier infinite combo for Muldrotha would be to use Lion's Eye Diamond , Animate Dead / Necromancy , and Phantasmal Image .
A budget combo could be Palinchron + Phantasmal Image + Animate Dead + Dance of the Dead + a sac outlet
3 weeks ago
Let's see if I've got your initial plan right.
Assuming Thousand-Year Elixir is on the battlefield, allowing you to activate creature abilities the turn they ETB.
Activate Selvala, Heart of the Wilds for some number of mana equal to the greatest power you have on the board (if with Muldrotha, that'd be 6). Or use Krosan Restorer to untap 1 or 3 lands (depending on if you have threshold), where at least one of those lands taps for more than 1 mana.
Activate Liliana, Defiant Necromancer 's -X ability, targeting your newly-dead mana creature. Here's the first hangup. The -X ability says "nonlegendary creature card," and Selvala is legendary, so she can't work in this interaction. So it has to be Restorer. This activation puts Liliana in the graveyard due to lack of loyalty.
Cast Animate Dead or Necromancy on a clone creature and have it copy Muldrotha, the Gravetide , forcing you to sacrifice one due to the legend rule. You keep the clone and send the original Muldrotha to the graveyard.
Using Muldrotha, the Gravetide 's ability, you cast Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip from the graveyard. Then you cast a second Animate Dead or Necromancy (because the first is still enchanting your Muldrotha clone), getting the original Muldrotha back from the graveyard, triggering the legend rule again, which flips Liliana again. You keep the original Muldrotha to "reset" the "one permanent of each type" restriction.
You -X Liliana to get Restorer back, putting Liliana back in the graveyard. Go to step 4, alternating Muldrotha and clone as necessary.
Am I reading this right?
In order for this to work, you can't use Selvala, Heart of the Wilds because it's legendary and Liliana, Defiant Necromancer specifically targets nonlegendary creature cards. For Krosan Restorer to be a good fit, you'll probably want to be at threshold (to hit three lands instead of one), and you'll want those lands to produce lots of mana, like the Gaea's Cradle and Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun you mentioned later, with enough creatures to make it functional.
With so many moving parts, it runs the risk of being extremely easy to disrupt if your opponents have answers, but as far as I can see it functions aside from Selvala being a bad fit, assuming your lands are producing enough mana (and it should be mentioned that the aforementioned choice lands only produce green mana; you're going to need lots of black as well because Liliana and Animate/Necromancy is going to be alone, with a fourth if you have to cast both enchantments before you can get mana on the loop again.
3 weeks ago
Sorry for triple post:
only way I can see this working is by just using Selvala, Heart of the Wilds and, with one to initialize it, generating 6 mana of whatever colors (off of Muldrotha, the Gravetide ). Combine that with the you’d get from Ashnod's Altar , you would be able to net the necessary colored mana here and repeat it.
Selvala, Heart of the Wilds occurrence in decks from the last year
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