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Tempt with Discovery
Tempting offer — Search your library for a land card and put it onto the battlefield. Each opponent may search his or her library for a land card and put it onto the battlefield. For each opponent who searches a library this way, search your library for a land card and put it onto the battlefield. Then each player who searched a library this way shuffles it.
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Tempt with Discovery Discussion
1 week ago
To everyone mentioned in this comment:
Thank you for your comments, and I'm sorry that it has taken me so long to reply to you. Between managing all my lists and setting up everything to be able to post commander gameplay videos to my YouTube channel, I have been overloaded with work. Thank you for your patience :)
Voxzorz, after coming back to this list, I've decided to not include the majority of spells that ramp up by a single mana, so Recross the Paths is no longer a spell that would fit to this list. (If you would like to see my reasoning for that, simply read the disclaimer at the top of the description of this list. Thanks!)
Gaspacho, thanks, I've removed those group hug cards except for Tempt with Discovery, because you will always get more ramp than each opponent regardless of how many fall into temptation. Also, after coming back to this list, I've decided to not include the majority of spells that ramp up by a single mana, so Spoils of Victory is no longer a spell that would fit to this list. (If you would like to see my reasoning for that, simply read the disclaimer at the top of the description of this list. Thanks!)
Intergalactic_Hegemon, after coming back to this list, I've decided to not include the majority of spells that ramp up by a single mana, so Sea Scryer is no longer a spell that would fit to this list. (If you would like to see my reasoning for that, simply read the disclaimer at the top of the description of this list. Thanks!) As for one-time-use mana acceleration, my reasoning for not including them is this: If you use mana acceleration at the beginning of the game, your board state will be much better than each opponents', which causes opponents to become more afraid of you, which in turn makes it much harder for you to win as your opponents are more likely to be focusing their attention on you instead of on each other; if you use it towards the middle of the game or later, you give up explosiveness to do a smaller version of what these types of ramp spells do. Either way, since the average game is about 11 turns long, it makes no sense to try to replace cards that give a significant permanent boost in mana with ones that give a temporary boost, even if that boost is much higher.
xevecx1, after coming back to this list, I've decided to not include the majority of spells that ramp up by a single mana, so Yavimaya Dryad, Yavimaya Granger, and Dawntreader Elk no longer are spells that would fit to this list. (If you would like to see my reasoning for that, simply read the disclaimer at the top of the description of this list. Thanks!)
1 week ago
The "one of the 99" approach makes recommendations a little tricky, but I think we can remedy some of the speed issues in broad terms.
Twilight Mire for starters. The filters are among the most versatile of the dual lands, allowing you to turn into . I don't see any mention of a strict budget so I can't help but recommend Bayou, though I doubt I'm cluing you in on any hot tech there. Verdant Catacombs can pull your shockland (or Bayou), which is another slot helping with all those triple blacks and double greens.
Your current ramp suite is pretty much just the 3 most efficient ramp spells, Ring, Elder, 2 semi-ramp highly killable critters in Deathrite and Ghast, and two situationals in Ashnods and Ritual. 9 may seem like a fair chunk of your deck, but in reality it's 5 true ramp slots, which is pretty anemic. You aren't really counting on ramping at all when you shuffle up, it's just something you luck into in a timely manner sometimes.
Myriad Landscape is steady ramp in a land slot. Dryad Arbor can turn Green Sun's Zenith into a cheeky first turn ramp spell. Skyshroud Claim is the strongest of 4 drop ramp spells not named Tempt with Discovery. Scapeshift can pull out Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Cabal Coffers in one turn. Ulvenwald Hydra can pull nonbasics on top of providing a body.
Mana Crypt and Worn Powerstone are real powerhouses. Double colorless might seem unhelpful on paper with a general with 4 colored mana symbols in his casting cost and half a dozen spells, but I'm sure I don't have to tell you how amazing it is to have Sol Ring out there.
Without building to combo out and with at my disposal I'd lean even harder into ramping than I've described above, but this seems like good start toward getting this deck rolling more consistently in the mid to late game. 10 suggestions with half of them being land slots is about as painless as you can get, but I can go on if there's any other area you feel the deck could be bolstered in.
2 weeks ago
I assume it is a budget list because it is quite subpar, would suggest upgrading the Mana base and possibly removing a few of the fetch dorks because they're less efficient than the spells that do it instead, I suggest Tempt with Discovery , and you can definitely upgrade and optimize your big creatures too. I also suggest Krosan Grip and Return to Dust as artifact removal over the Iona's Judgment and Ancient Grudge , and just look around to see what else can be improved upon - I use magiccards.info to look for cards for decks myself.
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
-1 Tempt with Immortality, -1 Tempt with Discovery, -1 Phylactery Lich, -1 Increasing Ambition, -1 Overwhelming Stampede, -1 Sanguine Bond, -1 Exquisite Blood, then add everything in the maybeboard to the deck.
3 weeks ago
Eladamri's Call, Worldly Tutor, Recruiter of the Guard, Chord of Calling, and Sylvan Tutor are all good creature tutors that effectively you more enchantress effects. Also Eladamri's Call was reprinted recently, and so is quite cheap.
Burgeoning is very good. Run it.
Parallax Wave goes infinite with Opalescence and Starfield of Nyx (If you have enough non-aura enchantments), and let me explain how if you don't understand it, I was confused at first when I saw it so here:
Parallax Wave is an enchantment that starts with five fading counters, and at your upkeep you must remove a counter from it, if you can't you sacrifice it.
You may remove a counter from Parallax Wave whenever you want (at instant speed) to exile a creature, and when it leaves the battlefield, return all cards that enchantment has exiled to the battlefield. This includes itself if it is a creature.
If it is a creature you can remove a counter from it to exile an opponent's creature, then hold priority, and exile itself in response. The stack resolves top to bottom, so given no opponent reponds, you exile Parallax wave to itself, and it will leave the battlefield, returning all cards it has exile to the battlefield, before it exiles the opponent's creature. Parallax Wave returns, and their creature has an exile trigger on the stack, respond to that by repeating this process for each and every creature your opponents control, so that they all get exiled. If you have Opalescence in play, then you can exile all of their enchantments with this process too.
To this effect, from that point forward, your opponents will never land an enchantment or creature. You can also repeatedly "bounce" (retrigger the leave-the-battlefield and enter-the-battlefield effects of) all creatures you want. If you have Eternal Witness or Eidolon of Blossoms, you can draw infinitely, or return all cards that ever go to your graveyard to your hand. You might be scared that you would die from drawing infinitely, but you can draw until you reach Abundance, cast it, then keep drawing, always naming non-land. You also make infinite mana from Earthcraft by tapping the creatures between bounces. You bounce them by exiling them under Parallax Wave, then exiling Parallax Wave to itself, return both itself and your creature to the battlefield.
Enough about Parallax Wave, if I hadn't sold you, I never will.
Cards you can drop:
Craterhoof Behemoth - Beatdown isn't the best win condition for enchantress, it is a bit to aggressive for a deck that commonly doesn't have too many creatures. Ajani's Chosen/Sigil of the Empty Throne at least give fidder for Earthcraft mana and Aura Shards triggers.
Courser of Kruphix - Yeah it is a good creature, and it is an enchantment, but it isn't a good enchantment. It is lifegain for a deck that can do without, and a 2/4 blocker that gives life for three. That is good in modern occasionally, and insane in limited, but it isn't for commander unless you can abuse it. Sunbond/lifegain effects + Scapeshift/landfall effects make it decent.
Acidic Slime - 2/2 deathtouch is occasionally relevant, good with Parallax Wave combo for mass non-creature destruction, then the creatures get exiled by Parallax Wave, and is efficient, but if you don't get the Parallax Wave, then it doesn't do a ton.
Aura Shards - Without a ton or consistent supply of creatures, it does little but paints a target on your head.
Soul Snare/Faith's Fetters - They do little but waste mana on an overpriced and conditional Swords to Plowshares/Beast Within respectively. Their only redeemable factor it that they are enchantments, but that doesn't maek up for the fact that they aren't instants and aren't as powerful as other cards.
Cards to add:
Greater Auramancy - Great Enchantment Protection
I know said to add more than I said to drop, but below are some other cuts I'd consider:
4 weeks ago
Gotta be redundant. Play a Fist of Suns Its one mana cheaper to cast than Jodah and can be cast for 3 colorless mana. If Jodah gets killed, which he likely will, you have a backup that wont cost 6+ mana. You get my +1 for playing my favorite card being Tempt with Discovery. Might not be good but I am a big fan of Maelstrom Nexus. Also there are some decks that just cant beat a Blazing Archon
1 month ago
- Chromatic Lantern
- Gruul Signet
- Selesnya Signet
- Boros Signet
- Oracle of Mul Daya
- Sakura-Tribe Elder
- Somberwald Sage
- Solemn Simulacrum
- Wood Elves
- Hour of Promise
- Tempt with Discovery
Cheating in the Big Bois: