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Counter target artifact spell.
Artifact Blast Discussion
2 months ago
had to stop to think about non-blue counters once you mentioned it. I remembered Avoid Fate , Dawn Charm , Rebuff the Wicked , Dash Hopes , and Mana Tithe . but after that I was stumped on any others.
then I checked the gatherer...
Artifact Blast , Burnout , Red Elemental Blast , Pyroblast , Guttural Response , Lapse of Certainty , Illumination , Mages' Contest , Molten Influence , Not of This World , Warping Wail , and Withering Boon .
1 year ago
Hey friend. I'm glad you have some casual decks -- makes me feel a lot better about making this cEDH, since the last thing I'd want is to help you build an expensive deck that you'll never play(: I'd advocate using proxies on this one before you buy expensive cards in paper. Most playgroups are fine with that, especially for WIP decks like this, which will save you a LOT of money as you iterate on what works best here.
Reito Lantern is not really a combo piece... I mean, you can tutor anything out with Sunforger repeatedly, but you'd need to already have infinite colored mana AND naturally draw the Lantern, which is kinda a long shot. If you already have infinite colored mana (or even infinite colorless and two colored sources), just cast Fireball, Aurelia's Fury, Comet Storm, or Conflagrate, you know?
You did a good job with 5- and 6-drops. Your next cutting-floor task: cut everything (besides removal/etc) that only combos with one card. Guttersnipe, for example, might deal 10 damage to each opponent over the course of the game, but that's so negligible when you could be slinging Comet Storm for 3000. Also cut Brisela. Neither card is a staple on its own, and the chances of drawing 2 cards naturally in RW are way too bad to justify it. And so forth. After that, cut the bad cards and narrowest answers from Sunforger. Are you ever going to tutor up Fork or Fury Storm when you could be winning with Comet Storm? Nope. So cut them. Also cut bad answers like Molten Influence -- anybody will pay 10% of their life in exchange for their best spell resolving.
Razia's Purification is really bad unless you can immediately recur everything or phase out or something. Which means it's not going to be good with Reito, either.
The Orrery is good, but expensive. Proxy it first.
Cut the Ferocidons. Doesn't matter if they gain life, if you're dealing 300 with Comet Storm. Let that sentence be your mantra! (;
Paradox Engine might actually be your best 5-drop, since it helps...cast comet storm for 300. See how I'm approaching this?
Planar Portal is bad because you can't really ramp to 12 without infinite mana, which you could use to cast Comet Storm for 300. (Hope this isn't getting annoying, but I'm trying to make a point.)
Purity, Sunglasses, the Anthem, Burst of Energy, are all not as good as 1) casting Comet Storm for 300, 2) stopping your opponents from winning before you can cast Comet Storm, or 3) helping you find the pieces to make infinite mana to draw your deck (with a non-tapping engine like Staff of Domination) so you can cast Comet Storm.
See what I mean? You don't have to use the Comet Storm as a wincon if you don't want to, but my point is that you should find your best combo (whatever it is), and stick with it, and commit to it, and build in redundancy. It's better to have one combo with 10 ways of happening than 10 combos with 1 way of happening.
Hope this helps! It's a busy week for me IRL, but I'll check in again on the weekend -- see if you can get it to 120 by then! I'll have the time to go card-by-card on a deck that size, but it's still wasted effort on 160 cards. Best of luck!
1 year ago
Lowdown: Removed the "Protection from" combo & Odric, Lunarch Marshal. Added Reito Lantern as a "Super-Recursion" card In here. Removed Ghitu Chronicler as Sunforger puts instants in for free & counts as being cast. Keeping Paradox Engine for versatility, & Geode Golem is removed...
Replaced all 5 Artifact Tutors w/ one that can search for anything in the deck: Planar Portal. Unsure about cutting Emrakul's Hatcher as Eldrazi Spawn make for not just Mana Sources, but also Chump Blockers, & it can be flickered... Must keep Radiate for the fact that nonpermanent cards are a big player here. Same for Paradox Engine + Boros Signet + Sunforger combo for endless Sunforging...
Only 7 CMC is the Commander. Impossible to remove.
For the comment in question...
I know the 2018 Precons were trash, but just thinking of individual cards would be for the best, as this years' secondary commanders were better anyway for the most part...
Regarding my Comment #11: I am focused on cEDH by this point. Besides, my WIP Kozilek deck is literally worse than 90% CASUAL. Worst case about >4 cards? Both 6 Drops are staples here, Same for Endbringer for . 5 drops aren't any better: has Emrakul's Hatcher, which is a 2-4-1. Radiate Manipulates mu Instants & Sorceries even when casted by Sunforger. Neheb, the Eternal makes Mana, even after the entire Combat Phase, & even after addition Combat Phases & Main Phases. "Stallion." I claim. Dunno about Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker yet... MAYBE I'll remove Apocalypse + Teferi's Protection, if it doesn't mesh so well w/ cEDH... However, I won't remove Paradox Engine; stuff like Isochron Scepter copies of Fork for Nonpermanent copying, & Sunforger Activations. Especially the latter.
I reduced those to just Planar Portal, & I have Counterspells at least: For Artifact Blast for enemy impurities, Molten Influence beats most spot removal (Unless it has Split Second.), Pyroblast/Red Elemental Blast beats Blue Permanents & Counterspells, Even Dualcaster Mage can copy an enemy Counterspell if you want, countering the real thing. is a little bit different: Dawn Charm has a mode that stops a spell that targets you, Lapse of Certainty puts target spell on top of the enemy Library, & I plan to find a card that can compliment w/ this. Ideas? Mana Tithe is a Planarshifted Force Spike, which can be decent sometimes... Rebuff the Wicked is the same as Dawn Charm, but at a permanent instead. Is Illumination Good?
I hope this can help w/ the decisions on Monday; I'm thinking of Keeping Razia's Purification, & keep Rings of Brighthearth + Basalt Monolith + Sol Ring w/ Reito Lantern in hand. I hope this works as a combo that's good...
I'll be waiting until then, landofMordor. I dunno what high drop cards to cut...
1 year ago
Well after my denial w/ Boros, I actually have one other plan in mind...
Should I make a Gate Deck, or what? Just asking to be sure...
1 year ago
If I had a guess, either Infinite turns with Grand Abolisher, or over Staxing all opponents. I hope there is a card in the mana identity that can help me with Stax Double Edged Sword, where I don't suffer as much. Ideas? Oh, & Consulate Crackdown & Artifact Blast is added anyway...
2 years ago
3 years ago
@Atanar, no worries about the Highlands, and Grudge is a better idea, I agree.
3 years ago
So far none of these situations are incredibly unpreventable. If you have a player who uses lots of mana rocks to hit say a turn 2 Kozilek play more counter magic or artifact destruction. Here is a list of cards to effectively prevent that. Vandalblast, Path to Exile, Force of Will, Disenchant, Gleeful Sabotage, Natural State, Naturalize, Nature's Claim, Seal of Cleansing, Seal of Primordium, Abrupt Decay, Annul, Arcane Denial, Artifact Blast, Counterspell, Countersquall, Cursecatcher, Dash Hopes, Daze, Delay, Deprive, Disdainful Stroke, Negate, Essence Scatter, False Summoning, Force Spike, Illumination, Izzet Charm, Judge's Familiar, Mana Drain, Mana Leak, Mana Tithe, Miscalculation, Nullify, Preemptive Strike, Prohibit, Psychic Barrier, Remand, Remove Soul, Rites of Refusal, Rune Snag, Scent of Brine, Spell Pierce, Steel Sabotage, Stubborn Denial, Withering Boon, Journey to Nowhere, Suspension Field, Ancient Grudge, Artifact Mutation, Cradle to Grave, Crumble, Crush, Shatter, Destructive Revelry, Devour in Shadow, Divine Offering, Doom Blade, Dreadbore, Terminate, Echoing Ruin, Elvish Scrapper, Fury Charm, Glissa's Scorn, Go for the Throat, Hero's Demise, Hull Breach, Malicious Affliction, Overload, Oxidize, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, Gift of Tusks, Primitive Justice, Rakdos Charm, Reprisal, Shattering Pulse, Smash to Smithereens, Smelt, Soul Reap, Sundering Growth, Tel-Jilad Justice, Terror, Valorous Stance, Vendetta, Victim of Night, Wear, Wretched Banquet.
All of these cards could most likely have stopped at least part of that combo. In here are a mix of all the colors in magic. And this isn't even all of the cards that could respond to that series of plays. Of course some of these are expensive, some probably are not the best for Commander. But if you sit here and say we should ban a card like sol ring because maybe someone will get very lucky and have all the needed cards for a t2 Eldrazi titan then all I have to say is maybe you should make it so your deck has responses to a t1 sol ring or a t2 Eldrazi. Commander is the format where players are encouraged to do insane things to dream of that miracle hand, but it is also like any other format. You need to build your deck to have responses if that miracle hand was to happen. Don't complain that someone always wins because they have the t1 sol ring/mana crypt/mana vault if you neglect to put adequate responses in your deck. Same goes for any big Eldrazi or a Blightsteel Colossus. Luck is a part of this game too and when the time comes that you have no response to that player with the t2 Kozilek hand just be excited that you saw a t2 Kozilek, and have fun, it isn't the end of the world, Murder could be the card on top of your deck.
TL;DR: Play cheap removal in your EDH decks in case of emergency. And Luck is a cruel mistress at times.
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