Green Sun's Zenith
Search your library for a green creature card with converted mana cost X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. Shuffle Green Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
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|Eternal Masters (EMA)||Rare|
|From the Vault: Twenty (V13)||Mythic Rare|
|Mirrodin Besieged (MBS)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Green Sun's Zenith occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.76%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.1%
GW (Selesnya): 0.97%
RG (Gruul): 0.98%
GU (Simic): 0.73%
Green Sun's Zenith Discussion
2 days ago
some notable cards i run i see you do not:
overall i like your deck list a lot. It has given me things to consider.
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/edrics-communist-spies-competitive-edh/ is my list if you'd like to compare.
2 days ago
For myself and others, how to optimally pilot the deck
Philosophy behind the deck, ideally should be played with 2+ other players.
You are a hard to kill end game boss, blue is boring busted and broken and is also expensive. Try to go for cards that will keep your hand healthy since we are not running blue so think how much you can squeeze out of one card for maximum value.
while Triskelion will want cards like Defense of the Heart , Tooth and Nail with the added 2 colorless for entwine (if it's already in hand just pick a different creature and still summon the creatures you want in hand.)
Shifting Shadow will still work even if you are trying to destroy an indestructible creature during upkeep reveal the next creature while still keeping the previous one. Can be easily retrieved if no graveyard hate.
Sun Titan can even get a land into play
Chromatic Lantern can negate damage lands and lands with downside and can make useless lands useful.
Birthing Pod you can sacrifice zero cmc token creatures for a one drop ect.
1 week ago
jaredrjared yeah it doesn't work at all my bad, if that's the case I'll be taking out The Chain Veil from the deck as it takes too much to set up if it leads to nothing particularly game winning, I'll add in Green Sun's Zenith I think as another way to get an enchantress out if needed.
1 week ago
poorpinkus, I just recently made a Kraj deck for the same reason, to see it grow beyond control because it was designed to choose its own evolution. Doi. I have been having the same results at the moment (alpha version of the deck) and that Kraj kicks off by turn 6 or 7: I am trying to cut that down to a turn or two sooner. One thought I had was increasing creature ramp. I saw you have a 'Transmute' card, I use that mechanic heavily in another deck (Nekusar RBU) specifically to get my combo items within the 2, 3 and 4 CMC range.
Here is my deck: Kraj-Maga Tap Dancing
You'll see about 3 or more versions of the same mechanic within the deck, especially with creatures. One of the fastest guarantee win items is the tap-to-ping creatures. Just tap once, deal damage to creature or player (must include player) and there you have it. At this point I have been considering just adding more creature ramp, transmute spells, creature tutor and counter spells.
Creature ramp is the big money money of the deck and gives you a chance to bring Kraj out sooner and as you noticed, the moment Kraj is in play it just goes off. For the creature ramp though I have been trying to stick to the 2-or-more mana per tap creatures. Gyre Sage, Gyre Engineer, Incubation Druid are great since the last two can give easier access to infinite untap andthough the Engineer will produce infinite colorless/green mana if you have a single blue untap ability ready. Ilysian Caryatid is another good option for potentially having 2 blue mana (with Kraj in play) to grant true unlimited mana for all colors. But I see you've already solved the mana conversion problem with Orochi Leafcaller and Pili-Pala (sick card for this deck).
Transmute and Tutor will get you what you need (obviously) and I've added as many ways as I can to do just that. I understand though you're using a budget to keep this deck real and some tutor spells are really pricey. Chord of Calling, Green Sun's Zenith, Birthing Pod are good but are probably out of budget, but Prime Speaker Vannifar has dropped considerably and Neoform is a similar outlet. Vannifar could be a superior solution to a Kraj deck because with a +1/+1 counter on her you could have infinite untap-access to her ability, but only in sorcery speed. Another star contender is Momir Vig, Simic Visionary but for Momir to really be effective he relies on both green and blue creature spells. A way around this is using spells that "change the text of target permanent" cards like Trait Doctoring or Whim of Volrath which also has a buyback but that already has too much work involved around a 'guest star' creature. Cool thing about Momir and Vannifar: they are both elves, so if yo have a sac outlet you can add Wirewood Herald that will tutor one of them to your hand. Transmute is also a good way around your deck, simply find your win condition creature combos by CMC and get the Transmutes you need. My deck's winning combos are almost all between 2 and 4 mana, I honestly don't think I need anything over that cost, one being Endbringer at 6 CMC because there are more tap-ping guys that cost less but honestly I am considering dropping it for another ramp creature or counter spell, granted its also a draw-card source.. On to Counter spells...
I am seeing a lot of "trample" and "unblockable" but honestly this experimental blob needs to just sit and make magic happen: no need for attackers. It is far too easy to get what you need in play and use the activated ability to achieve victory; that being said, enter the counter-turtle! Infinite mana seems to be the fastest thing I can get rolling for this guy, once that happens its a matter of time before the other shoe drops for a win, a strategy is to play safe and deny as many things as possible coming your way or in the way of a boardwipe. Rake up as many counterspells as you can, especially the 'split second' ones like Last Word. Another route for spells is kicker, multikicker and strive since mana 'ain't no thang' to Kraj.
All other spells or abilities that give more +1/+1 counters and such I feel are wasted placement cards because once Kraj gets untapping things get out of hand immediately. But, Grafting is definitely the way to at least get that started so it can save you a step if you're looking for the budget route. For example, Doubling Season: sweet card but we don't make tokens and all I need is one +1/+1 counter, not double. But, I do have Vigean Hydropon to distribute +1/+1 counters to my homies entering the battlefield. In several cases the 'Graft' option can work with Momir Vig if he's in play since some are blue/green creatures.
These are all really just ideas and options I've seen work for me but I'm also bouncing them to get feedback and find that chunk of fat that can be trimmed to make a leaner and meaner Experiment Kraj deck. Essentially all my cards involve the greatest of the greatest that I am assuming I have infinite mana, untaps, etc. instead of the 'once per turn'. I want everything, all the time and without end. Good ol' "Nah brah thanks, I'm here to break the game not have tea" attitude.
Thanks for sharing and thanks for reading the great wall-o-text!
2 weeks ago
I mean, I'd definitely include Sram, Senior Edificer. Argothian Enchantress also seems really strong. You might want to consider some legacy enchantress cards like Elephant Grass or Carpet of Flowers, although their power will depend pretty heavily on your meta.
I really like that you're running Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth already. You should run Arbor Elf with them... he makes more mana when lands are enchanted. In that vein, you may also have a lot of luck with Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves, Avacyn's Pilgrim and/or (if you're rich) Noble Hierarch. I've found a lot of players misjudge T1 mana-dorks and never play them, and they're almost always wrong not to.
2 weeks ago
I highly recommend you put some kind of gimmicky constraint on Tatyova, otherwise she just devolves into UG good stuff. I turned my mono-green druid deck into a UG Tatyova druids, and before I knew it, every game ended with me drawing 30 cards to search for some awful Rube Goldberg machine of Mystical Tutor into Green Sun's Zenith into Craterhoof Behemoth, with the occasional Mystical Tutor into Cyclonic Rift. Needless to say, I took it apart. Moral of the story is that UG becomes miserable for everyone if you don't actively constrain it.
2 weeks ago
Are all in now, and I took out the other cards you suggested as well.
The only card I think I'll have to keep is Deputy of Detention. The only reason being is that 12/15 of the flicker/blink cards I have can't target Oblivion Ring (most of them can only target creatures). That being said, I'm putting him on my Maybeboard until I can find room for him with the additions you suggested.
Let me know if there's anything else you think I should cut/add.
3 weeks ago
@ williamslade You should try Planar Portal. If I were you I would recommend running Genesis Wave Seedborn Muse, and Alchemist's Refuge / Leyline of Anticipation alongside it as well as a lot of interaction in the deck. Portal gives the option of interaction/flexibility where as Bridge costs less mana over all for big things. I personally prefer portal hands down.
I have considered Rhystic Study but I've found my meta is fairly responsible for paying for the . Also I have found the deck has a lot of other things it would rather be doing once I reach 3 mana. Don't get me wrong Rhystic Study is a powerful card. I've just not had good luck with it in this deck.
I used to run Green Sun's Zenith but it got cut for Finale of Devastation as finale can get blue creatures, recur creatures, pump creatures, and give haste. I'm not running enough creatures for Chord of Calling's upside of tapping creatures to be worth it in my opinion.
Thanks for taking a look at my deck and providing feedback!!!