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Orcish Lumberjack Discussion
1 day ago
Thanks for the feedback. First off, I should preface my deck tech with the fact that it was built for our commander league, which has a strict ban list (almost all fast mana rocks are banned, incl. Sol Ring). This makes for an interesting meta-game, where fast combo decks are taken down a notch, making room for other strategies.
Having said that, the deck is admittedly in a period of transition from semi-competitive to competitive. Cards such as Khalni Garden are the remnants of playing against more casual commander decks with sacrifice effects. You're right in saying that they could and probably should be cut. (I am also on the fence about the Zendikar lands in a deck with so few basics. I have begun to experiment with Orcish Lumberjack as a mana accelerant, in which case the land type Forest is of importance. My original duals come in the mail today, so I'll do some playing around with the mana base). This is also the reason that I have begun to incorporate cards that play off of having blue players at the table. In a competitive setting, there is always at least one opponent whose deck is primarily blue. Hence, the blue hate, counter protection, etc.
Given that cEDH is overrun with fast combo / control, I have opted to build my Uril deck within a sort of resource denial shell. I seek to gradually gain the upper hand over my opponents and then go in for the kill. The land destruction / artifact hate / graveyard hate play a large role in this strategy. As for Razia's Purification, this card usually spells game over if the three cards that you keep are Uril with two auras on him.
Hatebears fit particularly well into this approach. You're right in pointing out that Qasali Pridemage is among the more powerful hatebears in my colors. As for Enlightened Tutor, I have mixed feelings on the matter. If you have a land-lite hand, the card sets you back, as you basically skip your draw step to tutor the card you want.
The planeswalkers are also something that I'm trying out. They are all a source of card advantage, as they act as card-draw, removal, and win conditions if not dealt with. They are generally safer in cEDH as in casual, as there are fewer creatures to ping away at their loyalty. Also, instead of Nature's Lore, I would consider Utopia Sprawl if I start to go for more of a fetch mana-base. I'll keep you updated ;-)
2 weeks ago
Hey I'm coming over from reddit.
I think first of all, you have some decent ramp and card draw, but I might replace Abzan Beastmaster and Triumph of Ferocity for some other green creature card draw, like Primordial Sage or Soul of the Harvest. Maybe replace Utopia Sprawl with Sakura-Tribe Elder, it's a creature so it has better synergy with your deck, also it's easier to get the extra mana. Archwing Dragon is not the best mana dump by any means and I would replace it with... I dunno there's a lot of really great goodstuff cards at 4 mana, like Rashmi, Eternities Crafter. The "buff my creature" cards are not great, like Boon Satyr or Rancor, as there are much better Anthems, like Beastmaster Ascension.Frost Walker is not a good edh card. At two mana there's Duskwatch Recruiter Flip. Orcish Lumberjack is sketch, maybe Birds of Paradise. Maybe replace the Trinket Mage and Treasure Mage with Fierce Empath or some sick Haste enablers like Fires of Yavimaya or Hammer of Purphoros. Also a couple more lands couldn't hurt, maybe closer to 36-38. Fire/Ice has a low power for edh, as is lightning bolt. I'm also not the biggest fan of prophetic bolt. Some good removal includes Beast Within and Krosan Grip. I'm also not a fan of Skullclamp in a deck not focused around your own creatures dying. Maybe Mystic Remora or Rhystic Study for cheap card draw. A fun card I like in general is Zendikar Resurgent but it's 7 mana, and usually the turn you drop it, it does nothing. So if you can find a spot in your deck to put it go ahead, but it's low priority.
2 weeks ago
You're pretty far along, so I'll be basing my advice on this: Food Chain Tazri
Plunge into Darkness, Mana Vault, Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox, Sylvan Library, Deathrite Shaman, and Carpet of Flowers are all pretty cheap right now, so you should pick them up before anything else. In the meantime Cabal Ritual and Cull the Weak can provide you with extra mana accel. Orcish Lumberjack and Tinder Wall also work if you have red, and you have enough forests for Arbor Elf to function. Cyclonic Rift and Abrupt Decay are also great (and cheap) board control in this build.
However the best thing you could be doing right now is improving your landbase. The quickest way to see results in a deck is to make sure you never have a land coming in tapped.
Get the cheapest lands first: Tarnished Citadel, Llanowar Wastes, City of Brass, Forbidden Orchard, Mana Confluence, Gemstone Caverns(!), Gemstone Mine, Thran Quarry, Reflecting Pool, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Then the rest of your shocks, the cheap fetches, etc. Use checklands like Sunpetal Grove instead of ABUR duals, they're typically the best budget option, although more fastlands can be a viable option too. (All the following are trash that you should cut: Bad River, Flood Plain, Grasslands, Sandsteppe Citadel, Seaside Citadel. The tango-lands like Sunken Hollow are alright for now, but you should cut them as you upgrade.)
Remember to cut Amulet of Vigor, since it won't be helping you.
Once you get rid of the taplands you should also take the deck down to 32 lands. You have enough acceleration to afford it and it will improve your speed.
1 month ago
2 months ago
All modern legal now!!
A friend got me a playset of Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, so that's in there now. This means that sometimes it is important to have the dual lands to actually be mountains in their cardtype, thus the addition of Cinder Glade and Steam Vents.
It's too bad I had to take Titania, Protector of Argoth and Orcish Lumberjack out, to make it modern legal. The had the (very) cool effect of making use of lands as they go TO the graveyard, as apposed to only when those land come back into play. Now the deck is more landfall oriented, although not entirely. Slightly disappointing. But I have left them in the maybeboard, in case you don't care that it is modern legal, I would definitely sub them back in.
Also. Roil Elemental could be an incredible board switch. If you're opponent has a bunch of creatures and you manage to get out a Splendid Reclamation with the roil elemental on the field... All their base are belong to you.
I'm looking at replacing Mana Leak. While it is fantastic, this deck can sometimes go late game, and opponents might just pay that extra mana. There are 2 criteria: I want the spell to only cost one blue (everything in the deck only costs one colored mana, except for the doozie creatures), because then it is easy to have the right manna to play it. I also want it to be a counter-all. Just in case I'm worried about a creature, artifact or enchantment.
Finally, the deck is getting a little expensive. Still not insane, but if you want a more budget option I would cut down on the fancy lands.
2 months ago
Update: this deck is actually awesome. I built it, minus basically all the fancy expensive cards (No man-lands, no Titania, no Valakut, no Wurm, no Omnath), and it still came off really well.
The backbone is outlined above. It's pretty important to have a Treasure Hunt (and an island) in your opening hand, but that is basically the only requirement.
This deck could easily turn into just a "landfall" deck, but that doesn't really have the twist that I'm looking for, and Devastating Summons is super fun when you have 20+ lands on the field.
Without the man-lands, there may be dry periods where you have a bunch of mana, but nothing to play. I anticipate they will make a big difference.
You WILL at some point have enough mana to hardcast Worldspine Wurm. So it should be in the deck. Period. Cause that's awesome.
It really stinks when your opponent does something to counter (Metallic Rebuke), exile (Anguished Unmaking) or make you discard (Ravenous Rats) an important play (Splendid Reclamation) or one of your few doozies (Omnath, Locus of Rage, Titania, Protector of Argoth, etc...) so that's why there are a bunch of different options for standard counter spells (Guttural Response, Negate, Mana Leak, Dispel). It's not a control deck, but it's kinda nice to feel a certain level of security. If they are using blue control, play Guttural Response because that's what it's for. If they have Void Shatter, use one of the others. Usually you need not be worried about countering creature spells, because your creatures will be bigger and/or more plentiful, but just in case, you have Mana Leak. It may be worth exploring other counterspells (Counterspell), because late-game, which is a possibility with this deck, oppontents might be willing to just pay that extra 3 mana. Also, the Abjure, Hatching Plans combo might be worth exploring if you find you want more card draw because Treasure Hunts are too few and far between.
I have put it down as a modern deck, and I think it is, except for the Orcish Lumberjack. So if you want a modern-legal deck, just take him out. It's just a bummer because he is a really cool card. Lets you play a Splendid Reclamation on turn 2 or 3 (Soon after wiping your lands with Devastating Summons). (Oop, also Mountain Valley will need to go. That's a cool card too, but it's not great, just flavorful.)
Please, any suggestions are still welcome, and let me know what you think! +1s always appreciated!
4 months ago
Emzed Really appreciate the feedback.
Orcish Lumberjack seems way too all-in for the deck, like you said, especially when I wouldn't be able to cast many Auras the next turn.
I tried Carpet of Flowers for a little bit, and found that many people play non-basics that aren't duals/shocks, and once I played the Carpet, people didn't put down any more Islands.
The 1-mana elves are traditionally strong, but my meta runs an above-average amount of board wipes, so I wouldn't want my mana base to get wiped out along with my win condition. Treespeaker is run for obvious reasons, and Birds and Pilgrim both provide better mana fixing than the traditional dorks.
I'm not a huge fan of the fast lands, especially with as much ramp as I'm running. I'd rather run the check-lands, especially once I get the fetches I need.
Ethereal Armor was usually a win-more card in my deck. By the turn after Uril drops, he's usually an 11/11 or higher, or is able to be buffed up enough the next turn to 2-shot an opponent. Armor doesn't really help this strategy, not to mention it encourages overextending.
I'm not a huge fan of Search for Tomorrow because it's only ever good on turn 1 in my experiences, but it's a consideration.
Forbidden Orchard, like you said, seems bad since it gives them a blocker, especially when I'm usually tapping out every turn. Jungle Shrine will probably be cut once I get more fetches, but for now it works pretty well. I'll also run Reflecting Pool once I get more fetches, since it becomes another dual land.
Do you think I should run Song of the Dryads over Darksteel Mutation? Mutation is a good way to shut down creatures and costs 2, but Song is more versatile. It does ramp them, which is a concern. Should I run one, or both?
4 months ago
Since your commander costs 5, ramping twice on the first two turns allows it to land on turn 3. Of course there are a couple cards like Sol Ring and Joraga Treespeaker which can accomplish that all by themselves, but otherwise you will need to cast a ramp spell on both of the first two turns. In order to make that happen, you usually need a 1cmc ramp spell on the first turn, and you don't have many of those currently. Some of your Signets could make room for Search for Tomorrow, Orcish Lumberjack (enables turn 2 Uril by himself, but maybe that's too all-in), Llanowar Elves / Fyndhorn Elves / Elvish Mystic, or Carpet of Flowers. (Many people underestimate that card, it's incredibly good. Sure, there is always a chance it's a dead card if there are no Islands, but that's really rare in competitive EDH rounds and quite often Carpet is even better than Sol Ring.)
As for your mana base: Reflecting Pool and Tarnished Citadel are solid mana fixers, despite having some drawbacks. I would definitely play them here. Forbidden Orchard doesn't work incredibly well with your commander, but it might still be better than a basic land or Jungle Shrine. In my experience, the "fast lands" Copperline Gorge, Razorverge Thicket and Inspiring Vantage are a little more reliable than Rootbound Crag, Sunpetal Grove and Clifftop Retreat.
I was surprised not to find Ethereal Armor in your list. Do you think it's not good enough? I can't really claim to know if what's correct in that case, but assumed the card was too good not to play.
Also, you currently have zero answers to planeswalkers in your 99, and also nothing against artifacts and enchantments unless you sideboard your one Krosan Grip. That might be a justified metagame call, but are you sure you don't want access to at least Song of the Dryads or Beast Within? Especially the Song seems useful since you have so many tutors that can find it.