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Enchantment — Aura
Enchanted creature has flying and "Sacrifice a creature: This creature gets +2/+1 until end of turn."
When Fallen Ideal is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return Fallen Ideal to its owner's hand.
Fallen Ideal Discussion
1 month ago
multimedia Hey thanks for checking out the deck, didn't think you would find it anytime soon haha.
I definitely took your suggestions alongside everyone elses, I can see Fallen Ideal usefulness with flying and the ability varying but I like the idea of Spear of Heliod a bit more due to its 2nd ability and its the same cost but rather white mana. I understand ideal's point as in it comes back to your hand if it came from the battlefield which is an additional counter. I'll play around a bit with Ideal and Spear to see which works a bit better. I guess I like the idea of +1/+1 for everything more than giving one flying with the sacrifice effect. But the useful one is returning it in hand to play it again.
The help with two new lands and ridding of lands like the Guildgate also really helped out, I was stuck on finding a land to replace ones like that with and the ones suggested are a big help.
Otherwise there really isn't anything else that could've been said better for suggestions. Thank you very much :). These new additions and cards to cut looks alot better now. Thanks and really appreciated.
Also let me know if there's other ideas for casting enchantments or if there's anything else you could think of. Thanks again :)
1 month ago
Hey SSK, nice to see you're now playing Commander :)
Several really good cards here, but I think you're going to have trouble getting enough experience counters fast enough for Spirits created by Daxos to matter. Daxos is a slow Commander, to increase the speed of getting exp. counters consider some low mana cost enchantments that can return themselves back to your hand to be cast again with either an ability or when they go to the graveyard.
Budget cards ($4 or less each) to consider adding:
- Caves of Koilos
- Shambling Vent
- Smothering Tithe : amazing ramp for white in multiplayer Commander.
- Flickering Ward : protection for Daxos and bounce it back to your hand; one of the best ways to get exp. counters.
- Gossamer Chains : bounce it for no mana cost to prevent a creature from doing damage to you. Like Ward it's only two mana to get repeatable exp. counters.
- Fallen Ideal
- Conviction : three mana for repeatable exp. counters.
- Open the Armory : search for Ward, Connections or any other aura.
- Heliod's Pilgrim : same as Armory.
- Angelic Renewal
- Eidolon of Rhetoric : when you have experience counters you don't have to play a lot of spells because you have a repeatable source of creatures from Daxos this makes cards that allow players to only play one spell a turn quite good.
- Rule of Law
- Day of Judgment
- Sun Titan : repeatable reanimation of 3 or less CMC enchantments, combos with Renewal. His high mana cost is worth it.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Kabira Crossroads
- Orzhov Guidgate
- Deadly Tempest
- Spear of Heliod
- Intangible Virtue
- Necromancer's Covenant
- Marshal's Anthem
- Dictate of Heliod
- Celestial Archon
- Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
- Archetype of Finality
- Orzhov Cluestone
- Stasis Snare
Most of these are high mana cost cards. I don't think you need all these anthem effects for tokens since the main source of tokens comes from Daxos and those tokens should already be big with high power/toughness.
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
Some changes for anyone interested; not enough to make an update about it so I'll comment instead.
- Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip - While she's very good, just just didn't do anything well enough for me. Still on the radar though.
- Fallen Ideal - I decided it needs too many things on the board to actually be good.
- Diabolic Intent - Besides my personal dislike of tutors, it's not good early because I don't have enough early tokens. I think I'd rather have draw.
- Burnished Hart - Great ramp, and with a little recursion(especially Sun Titan ) it is amazing.
- Lingering Souls - Trying to up my early token count.
- Necropotence - Draw to replace the tutor. It hurts my small discard theme, but only effects three cards overall and let's be honest, the benefits of necropotence still outweigh those downsides. I have Reliquary Tower and Thought Vessel as well which make it even better. Plus, I own a copy, whereas I don't have any of the cards I removed.
Card I considered:
- Enduring Renewal - the combo potential was there but was too hard to work around. Hurt my draw too.
Thanks for reading!
2 months ago
I love the aura/curse theme, I had one a few years back that was made for casual play. It was a really slow paced pure black deck relying on lasting 5 turns and playing a curse of misfortunes.
I like the witch, and ran a playset of it in my casual deck, but I kept running into mana issues and not being able to afford the witch. Plus you have the issue of having to kill it off. I would rather be more aggressive early game with the one mana enchantments, and still have curse of misfortunes to rely on for later game curse combos if it drags on that long.
2 months ago
So first of all, I’d like to suggest a handful of death effects.
Ogre Slumlord spits out nasty deathtouchers that can deter many non-lethal attacking forces, only first strikers would want to swing into them.
Blood Artist is a favorite of mine, hits all creatures that go to yards and is a constant life swing, it’s a card that is situationally better than Zulaport Cutthroat.
Razaketh, the Foulblooded offers a tutor for a sac and two life. In this deck that doubles to two tutors. A bit high cmc but being able to tutor in response to other players can win you the game in as little as one rotation.
Fallen Ideal is an amazing win con to have in your back pocket. Throwing the enchantment on Teysa and sacrificing a mere 5 creatures is enough to swing in the air for lethal. As an added bonus, the enchanted creature can sac itself to dodge removal and return fallen ideal to your hand.
Culling Dais is a card that I used in my Teysa deck, here it has twice the draw power. With a tap to sac you can use it in response to removal in order to gain card advantage.
That’s all for now, you’ll hear from me again soon!
2 months ago
Nice write-up! Probably took some good time to type it all down.
I did have to sort your deck on type instead of your custom types to make some sence of it though ;)
I’ve been working on a meren deck with a similar sacrifice idea for a couple of years now, though the plan is a bit different they here I do have some suggestions and tips based on my experience with the archetype.
There are probably some cards here that have been mentioned before or have been tested, so sorry for that.
sac outlets are the bread and butter of these types of deck. You always need one in play or the deck falls short (this is also one of the weak point that you can attack these decks on). Some sac outlets that I haven’t seen mentioned yet:
1) Evolutionary Leap . Except that it’s not a free sac outlet I think one of the best out there!
2) Spawning Pit . One of my favorites, create more tokens from sacing creatures and it’s free to activate. Also it can quite easily go infinite with Doubling Season
3) Attrition . It’s probably mentioned somewhere her and I probably looked over it because everyone knows this.
4) Altar of Dementia . Better in meren then it’s here but still has its uses if you want to go with an infinite combo.
5) Culling Dais . Value
6) Dark Privilege . Protection of commander and outlet in one.
7) Fallen Ideal . Recurring outlet is always nice.
8) Yahenni, Undying Partisan . Indestructible outlet.
9) Helm of Possession . If people are going big.
10) Plagued Rusalka . If people are going wide.
11) Claws of Gix . Can sac any permanent and is the cheapest outlet ever made.
Some utility creatures:
12) Wirewood Herald . This is one of my favorite fun cards in my deck. Your already playing a few good other elves (rec sage, izoni, wood elves, elvish visionary) so I definitely suggest adding this one!
13) Viridian Emissary and Primal Druid are all stars in my deck. Might be useful here over some of the 3 mana ramp creatures?? (Emissary is a bit better because of clamp, and it’s an elf).
14) Golgari Findbroker . Witness #2, also it’s an elf.
15) Sengir Autocrat and Mitotic Slime . These cards give 4 and 7 sacrifices respectively. They are some of the payoff cards that I use. Especially fond of autocrat since it works with savra and skullclamp very well.
16) Reassembling Skeleton . Another one of my payoff cards, and can get nuts of I have a good board. Also there are few ways to go infinite with this one (there is a 4 card combo with this in your deck right now).
17) Savra, Queen of the Golgari . It’s an elf and since it’s a creature its easier to tutor then an enchantment. The life gain is also nice!
And one more random card that doesn’t belong in above categories:
18) Foster . At 4 mana a bit expensive but boy what value this card can give!
Some of the cars you tested and took out I’d like to comment on. I find them very very useful and would probably never cut them in my deck:
19) Fecundity . This card is the best card in my deck, the only time it’s not great is when I’m playing against weenies or people are trading creatures with each other without me having a board presents. I don’t really care if people draw a card if I kill there 6 mana creatures because it still slows them down. What’s so good about this card that It provides us with a great amount of value. This card draws of tokens which is awesome and most of the creatures your running give to sac triggers anyway. In 90% the cases this card will generate more value for us then for other players.
20) Deathreap Ritual . The only reason I’d ever cut this card is the mana cost, which at 4 is a bit expensive. You however stated the reason for excluding this card is the lack of value. I’d like to point out that Morbid doesn’t only trigger at the end of your turn but at the end of EVERY turn. It also triggers when any creature dies, so it doesn’t have to be yours and, like fecundity, it triggers of tokens dying to!! In a four player game this card can give an easy 4 cards a round.
21) Golgari Germination . I like this mostly because I play above mentioned cards which benefit hugely from tokens dying, but even without this it’s a great card rewarding you for any sacrifice and being an enchantment it’s a bit more durable as well.
22) Sakura-Tribe Elder . At two mana and a build in sac outlet this card is a cheap ramp spell that functions at all time and can provide value even if you don’t have a sac outlet in play. But if you have experienced trough testing that you get more value out of a 3 drop ramp creature then it might be different for your deck compared to meren.
Hereby I end my epistle with a last note that if your looking to take out some card I’d look at everything above 4 mana and everything with X in the mana cost. I find I always take out these in the end since I can’t cast them reliably. (5 drops stay when they are very good for the deck though).
3 months ago
One of my favorite cards in my Shattergang Brothers deck (or pretty much any deck really) is Feldon of the Third Path. It's a great way to recur value creatures, and even turns them into artifacts to give you more options sacrificing them to your commander.
I'm not sold on Undying Rage being the third-best recurring enchantment in this deck. Normally I wouldn't be a huge fan of Rancor either, but you have such a high density of heavy hitters that I think it's worth it. In place of Unstoppable Rage, I think either Fallen Ideal or Glistening Oil would be better. Glistening Oil would help your beaters kill at a much smaller size, while Fallen Ideal would be nice as a free sacrifice outlet to make sure creatures you want to recur make it to the graveyard.
One card that would fit really well in your build would be Pitiless Plunderer. It generates mana so you can activate Shattergang Brothers multiple times in a turn, and generates artifact tokens to serve as fodder for his ability.
Finally, another of my favorite cards for Shattergang is Deathbringer Thoctar. It lets you ping off 1-toughness creatures for free to make Shattergang's sacrifice triggers more impactful, and grows out of control really quickly as creatures die.
6 months ago
First off, cool deck! Haven't seen a whole lot of eldrazi decks that are B/G for EDH. For suggestions, your CMC is very high so I'd add more ramp and at least 1 more land. As the above poster said, extricator is not legal for your deck so you can cut him. That gives you one slot to play around with. I realize you're on a budget so I won't suggest things like Mana Crypt or Ancient Tomb. Again however, I'd try my best to either add more ramp or more lands. Also I'd add in removal of some sort if possible. I'll list my suggestions. I won't suggest anything over $6.
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