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Return a Forest you control to its owner's hand: Untap target creature. Activate this ability only once each turn.
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Quirion Ranger Discussion
2 hours ago
Hey ThaneGarrus thanks for liking the deck. No updates as of yet but I am thinking of swapping out Ajani Unyielding for Quirion Ranger or faster removal as I have been finding that I don't search for Ajani and he costs too much.
1 week ago
denis1198 I have tried Instill Energy , Woodland Bellower and all the aforementioned cards, aside from Rhonas the Indomitable . Fierce Empath is a dead draw in many games and is not efficient enough to net wins: a three mana tutor is not something we need, particularly when it only fetches Great Oak Guardian (within my list). Hall of Gemstone is a strictly defensive option for a different deck. Though it's ability is nice, many players will be operating with a series of rocks to net the mana sufficient to play counter magic. Also, it's a World Enchantment; part of our win condition is using Concordant Crossroads to finish our opponents off on Turn 3. HoG will immediately be replaced. Fauna Shaman is a lesser Survival of the Fittest , which we operate with. While Shaman can be tutored for, you can see how it's counter-productive to simply obtaining the card we actually need with all of our Creature Tutors. Primal Command in many cases is an overly-expensive Tutor. The loop with it & Eternal Witness is just as unnecessary to our success as the Beast Within loop I explained here. It's what you would consider a "Win More," while we're only really looking to "Win." Priest of Titania is insurance for Selvala and strictly Plan B. She's extraneous in our deck list. Our game should be centered around using Selvala for victory. While her potential to ramp (in some deck versions) is decent, it is no substitute for Selvala. Between all of our current options for ramp, sticking with Plan A - casting & using Selvala - is always the priority and easily achievable. Dosan the Falling Leaf would be a much better consideration to fit into the deck, or Prowling Serpopard , as either of these (particularly Dosan) will help us Combo out on our turn and do so unaffected by our foes. However, even these are wanting in the list currently... I've tried about everything. Rhonas is fine, but would only act as a substitute for Wayward Swordtooth who is superior. The Swordtooth's ability to play an additional land can help us achieve the mana we need in a given turn to go off, via utilities such as Quirion Ranger & Scryb Ranger . Bouncing the Forest and being able to play them again is a larger benefit than paying three mana to net +2/+0 from Rhonas. Those synergies are more valuable to consider. Thanks for the comments/considerations!
2 weeks ago
Awesome list! I really like your turbo frog package and your control aspects a lot.
I highly recommend Karametra's Acolyte , since she can help you keep the ball rolling with the amount of mana she can generate and since you can plop her down at EOT summoning sickness is not an issue.
Last but not least, I also recommend Quirion Ranger , she enables your mana forks ridiculously.
3 weeks ago
Sorry it's taken me so long to respond, Been pretty busy. Both of those are great cards and I think Quirion Ranger definitely needs to find a home. You can probably drop Wood Elves for it, I think you'll get more value out of it.
3 weeks ago
Hey, you're missing Command Tower :) There's a few creatures who when they ETB can untap a creature this is very good with Vannifar to chain activations a turn.
Quirion -> Scryb -> Bounding -> Hippocamp -> five drop (Acidic, Mulldrifter , Peregrine, etc.). Quirion and Scryb can be repeatable untap of Vannifar each turn by bouncing a Forest. Wirewood Lodge and Minamo, School at Water's Edge are lands that can untap Vannifar. Thousand-Year Elixir can give Vannifar haste as well as untap her. Fatestitcher is a good four drop here since he can be repeatable untap or be untap when unearthed.
Mana dorks are good with Vannifar. Playing her possibly turn three and then they can be used as fodder to get two/three drops.
- Birds of Paradise
- Llanowar Elves
- Elvish Mystic
- Fyndhorn Elves
- Arbor Elf
- Kiora's Follower : can untap Vannifar or a land.
- Priest of Titania
With these Elves Wirewood Symbiote can be another repeatable per turn untap of Vannifar that's also good with Sage, Visionary, Farhaven Elf , Coiling Oracle , etc. Woodland Bellower is great to tutor for Witness to then also recur a creature you saced or any other card in your graveyard. Bellower is a good six drop to Vannifar into Hulk.
Lands to consider adding:
Good luck with your deck.
3 weeks ago
Kamerot I somehow was able to trade for a Mana Vault and Quirion Ranger and would like to put them in although im still unsure about mana vault, what would you cut from my deck to put these in or would you not?
4 weeks ago
1 month ago
I am also considering finding space for Scavenger Grounds .
Just to quickly touch on the other cards you listed:
I'm not a huge fan of Sequestered Stash . Funnily enough, self mill is not great in Saffi. Because of her ability, most of the time you want stuff to hit the graveyard via the battlefield. And unless you hit one of a very small number of actual recursion (read "combo") pieces, you have stuff just sitting in your yard where it can get removed pretty easily. Not to mention I don't like the randomness. By all means try it out, but it's not my kind of card.
Deserted Temple is fun but without packing all the land search cards that the other list runs, I think a colour producing land would do more.
Wirewood Lodge is cool, but I think it is much more at home in a Selvala deck. There's only really two cards it boosts in the is list.
Wirewood Symbiote / Scryb Ranger are cool, but againI think are stronger with a tap commander. The beauty of Quirion Ranger was that with Yisan you could go verse 1 then straight into 2 and combo next turn (depending on board state). But with Scryb Ranger it replaces the Priest fetch which is the cornerstone of the combo.
As a general rule I have tried to avoid cards like Staff of Domination as there are only a few infinite mana outlets and outside of those they can be clunky. Maybe if I looked to add Vizier of Remedies + Devoted Druid as well, but I don't want to saturate the deck with non-overlapping combo.
Let me know how proxying goes - I have run a bunch of goldfish hands with the other list (I actually have that one in paper) and playing aggressively (because goldfish) I was able to see combo between turn 5 and 7 pretty consistently. The deck will always be slower than a deck with access to blue/black, but that's the price you pay I guess. But I would be keen to know how it goes for you.
Quirion Ranger occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.07%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
GW (Selesnya): 0.06%
GWU (Bant): 0.06%